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a425couple
Apr 2, 2018, 11:09:46 AM4/2/18
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Two Mistakes the Democrats Can't Afford to Make
They can't get in the mosh pit with Trump. And they
can't call his voters "deplorables."
By Tyler Cowen
April 1, 2018, 7:00 AM PDT
Don't condescend. Photographer: Bill Pugliano/Getty Images
Two top Democrats made dangerous blunders over the past few weeks that
should serve as a warning for politicians opposing Donald Trump.
Former Vice President Joe Biden told college students that Trump's
comments and actions about women were so offensive that if they were in
high school, "I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him."
In India, Hillary Clinton suggested that her voters in 2016 were from
"optimistic, diverse and dynamic" venues, while Trump appealed to voters
who "didn't like black people getting rights" and who "don't like women
getting jobs."
There was a backlash: When you insult voters you may need someday, they
probably aren't going to vote for you; and when you mud-wrestle with
pigs, the pigs enjoy it.
Biden, who immediately heard from friends and family, quickly realized
the error of his impulsive threat and apologized. "I shouldn't have said
what I said," he explained. "I don't want to get down in the mosh pit
with this guy."
Other Democrats will be similarly tempted when insulted by something
Trump has done or said, sometimes viciously.
That became evident in the 2016 Republican primaries, when Trump
repeatedly slandered his opponents. Marco Rubio decided to respond in
kind. He ridiculed Trump's physical appearance, even suggesting a lack
of sexual prowess. It backfired. "My kids were embarrassed by it," the
Florida senator said, and "if I had to do it again, I wouldn't."
The porn star Stormy Daniels recently said in a “60 Minutes” interview
that when she had an affair with Trump a dozen years ago, she spanked
him with a magazine that featured him. There was a private suggestion
among a couple of Democrats to ridicule him with a reference to the old
pop band, "Spanky and Our Gang." Bad idea. Leave that to late-night
comedian Stephen Colbert.
There are legitimate criticisms of Trump's policies, personnel choices,
temperament and integrity. These should be pointed and sharp without
getting in the pit.
Hillary Clinton’s remarks should be cause for greater concern. During
the 2016 campaign, she derided half of Trump’s followers as
"deplorables." Her speech in India created a field day for Fox News and
Republican campaigns that are trying to tie her remarks to Democrats
like Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill, who is running for re-election
in a state that Trump easily carried in 2016.
The right-wing response is a cheap shot, but Clinton’s remarks reflect a
condescension too prevalent among some Democrats, who convey a disdain
for less educated, non-urban Trump voters as ignorant, prejudiced rubes.
That's a problem. It turns out that 2016 Election Day exit polls were
flawed, exaggerating the number of college-educated voters and
undercounting working-class whites, as Tom Edsall has convincingly
written, based on data and experts. More reliable than the exit-poll
data is a recent Pew Research Center survey that estimated that 44
percent of the 2016 electorate was white working class.
To be sure, there are significant numbers of misogynists and especially
racists in the Trump coalition. I went to fewer than a dozen Trump
rallies in the presidential campaign and heard racial epithets at each
one. Trump has pandered to racial prejudices for years, and continues to
do so as president.
But there were many non-bigots who voted for him, venting their
anxieties and frustrations, feeling that elites -- politicians,
personified by Clinton, academics, the media, Wall Street -- looked down
on them. They relished that Trump was giving those elites hell.
If Democrats are to score big in the midterms this November, they must
capture some of these voters. If they don't, they'll lose incumbents in
Missouri, West Virginia, Indiana and elsewhere.
The focus on the Democrats' battle to win a majority in the House is on
suburban districts. But to achieve the necessary two dozen or more
victories, they will have to win in districts like one in Maine that is
rural and working class, or like one in small-town southern New Jersey,
or in downstate Illinois, or in California's Central Valley.
Looking ahead to 2020, if Trump runs for re-election, Pennsylvania,
Michigan and Wisconsin will be must-win states for Democrats. The Pew
survey indicates that Clinton got 28 percent of the white working-class
vote in 2016; in 2012, Obama won 36 percent of these voters. If Clinton
had matched Obama with this group, she would have won those three states.
There are valuable lessons for Democrats, if they heed them: Don't get
in the gutter with Trump and get over a mindset that tells voters they
are not part of an "optimistic, diverse and dynamic" America.
This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial
board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
To contact the author of this story:
Albert R. Hunt at ahu...@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story:
Katy Roberts at krobe...@bloomberg.net
Before it's here, it's on the Bloomberg Terminal. LEARN MORE
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-01/democrats-can-t-call-trump-voters-deplorables
They can't get in the mosh pit with Trump. And they
can't call his voters "deplorables."
By Tyler Cowen
April 1, 2018, 7:00 AM PDT
Don't condescend. Photographer: Bill Pugliano/Getty Images
Two top Democrats made dangerous blunders over the past few weeks that
should serve as a warning for politicians opposing Donald Trump.
Former Vice President Joe Biden told college students that Trump's
comments and actions about women were so offensive that if they were in
high school, "I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him."
In India, Hillary Clinton suggested that her voters in 2016 were from
"optimistic, diverse and dynamic" venues, while Trump appealed to voters
who "didn't like black people getting rights" and who "don't like women
getting jobs."
There was a backlash: When you insult voters you may need someday, they
probably aren't going to vote for you; and when you mud-wrestle with
pigs, the pigs enjoy it.
Biden, who immediately heard from friends and family, quickly realized
the error of his impulsive threat and apologized. "I shouldn't have said
what I said," he explained. "I don't want to get down in the mosh pit
with this guy."
Other Democrats will be similarly tempted when insulted by something
Trump has done or said, sometimes viciously.
That became evident in the 2016 Republican primaries, when Trump
repeatedly slandered his opponents. Marco Rubio decided to respond in
kind. He ridiculed Trump's physical appearance, even suggesting a lack
of sexual prowess. It backfired. "My kids were embarrassed by it," the
Florida senator said, and "if I had to do it again, I wouldn't."
The porn star Stormy Daniels recently said in a “60 Minutes” interview
that when she had an affair with Trump a dozen years ago, she spanked
him with a magazine that featured him. There was a private suggestion
among a couple of Democrats to ridicule him with a reference to the old
pop band, "Spanky and Our Gang." Bad idea. Leave that to late-night
comedian Stephen Colbert.
There are legitimate criticisms of Trump's policies, personnel choices,
temperament and integrity. These should be pointed and sharp without
getting in the pit.
Hillary Clinton’s remarks should be cause for greater concern. During
the 2016 campaign, she derided half of Trump’s followers as
"deplorables." Her speech in India created a field day for Fox News and
Republican campaigns that are trying to tie her remarks to Democrats
like Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill, who is running for re-election
in a state that Trump easily carried in 2016.
The right-wing response is a cheap shot, but Clinton’s remarks reflect a
condescension too prevalent among some Democrats, who convey a disdain
for less educated, non-urban Trump voters as ignorant, prejudiced rubes.
That's a problem. It turns out that 2016 Election Day exit polls were
flawed, exaggerating the number of college-educated voters and
undercounting working-class whites, as Tom Edsall has convincingly
written, based on data and experts. More reliable than the exit-poll
data is a recent Pew Research Center survey that estimated that 44
percent of the 2016 electorate was white working class.
To be sure, there are significant numbers of misogynists and especially
racists in the Trump coalition. I went to fewer than a dozen Trump
rallies in the presidential campaign and heard racial epithets at each
one. Trump has pandered to racial prejudices for years, and continues to
do so as president.
But there were many non-bigots who voted for him, venting their
anxieties and frustrations, feeling that elites -- politicians,
personified by Clinton, academics, the media, Wall Street -- looked down
on them. They relished that Trump was giving those elites hell.
If Democrats are to score big in the midterms this November, they must
capture some of these voters. If they don't, they'll lose incumbents in
Missouri, West Virginia, Indiana and elsewhere.
The focus on the Democrats' battle to win a majority in the House is on
suburban districts. But to achieve the necessary two dozen or more
victories, they will have to win in districts like one in Maine that is
rural and working class, or like one in small-town southern New Jersey,
or in downstate Illinois, or in California's Central Valley.
Looking ahead to 2020, if Trump runs for re-election, Pennsylvania,
Michigan and Wisconsin will be must-win states for Democrats. The Pew
survey indicates that Clinton got 28 percent of the white working-class
vote in 2016; in 2012, Obama won 36 percent of these voters. If Clinton
had matched Obama with this group, she would have won those three states.
There are valuable lessons for Democrats, if they heed them: Don't get
in the gutter with Trump and get over a mindset that tells voters they
are not part of an "optimistic, diverse and dynamic" America.
This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial
board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
To contact the author of this story:
Albert R. Hunt at ahu...@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story:
Katy Roberts at krobe...@bloomberg.net
Before it's here, it's on the Bloomberg Terminal. LEARN MORE
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-01/democrats-can-t-call-trump-voters-deplorables
a425couple
Apr 2, 2018, 11:15:47 AM4/2/18
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On 4/2/2018 8:09 AM, a425couple wrote:
> Two Mistakes the Democrats Can't Afford to Make
>
> They can't get in the mosh pit with Trump. And they
> can't call his voters "deplorables."
> By Tyler Cowen
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-01/democrats-can-t-call-trump-voters-deplorables
> Two Mistakes the Democrats Can't Afford to Make
>
> They can't get in the mosh pit with Trump. And they
> can't call his voters "deplorables."
> By Tyler Cowen
>
>
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Ken Wilkinson • a day ago
So, the folks that voted for President Trump are now "pigs"? You STILL
don't get the situation. There are millions of independent voters out
there that vote their heart and brains. No, a lot of them don't have a
collage degree in political science, but these are the folks that keep
this country running every day. Keep up the name calling.
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sirwhiskers Ken Wilkinson • 20 hours ago
"...when you mud-wrestle with pigs, the pigs enjoy it."
"Don't get in the gutter with Trump and get over a mindset that tells
voters they are not part of an 'optimistic, diverse and dynamic' America."
his entire column is clearly about the opposite. His statements are
about how Trump - not Trump voters - is in the gutter. Trump is the pig
that was referenced, not his voters.
Feel free to prove me wrong by quoting a single sentence in the entire
column where Mr. Hunt insults Trump voters simply for lacking a college
degree, or agrees with someone who does so.
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SportsMedicine sirwhiskers • 4 hours ago
"To be sure, there are significant numbers of misogynists and especially
racists in the Trump coalition."
There you go. Al Hunt did exactly what he was telling Democrats not to
racists in the Trump coalition."
do, because he cant help himself - he's a liberal.
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WorkingClassDog SportsMedicine • an hour ago
https://splinternews.com/th...
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Myron B. Pitts SportsMedicine • 13 minutes ago
It's a true statement. Why shouldn't he write the truth?
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bunky SportsMedicine • an hour ago
Exactly right.
They think they are so superior.
In reality, they can't recognize their own failings.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 sirwhiskers • 20 hours ago
Very true, it's me that's misbehaving ;)
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existanceonly LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 3 hours ago
an azz is an azz
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stonehillady sirwhiskers • 3 hours ago
Most of these so called college degrees major in sandbox etiquette, as
you ask any of them about civics and or history, they think they don't
need history, that they parrot what their professors tell them about how
wonderful communism is but, fail to tell them it only works if you cull
a dozens of million people like they did in previous communistic regimes.
And those sterling professors don't remind them, that you can't have
citizens with guns to defend them selves from a communist take over.,
they tell them that the 2nd. amendment is there for duck hunters.
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existanceonly sirwhiskers • 3 hours ago
When you pick up dirt , trash and general BS and keep it thrown out
there for whatever self serving benefit you find it's short on
creditability. I don't believe you are from the United States are you?
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Eastman sirwhiskers • 20 minutes ago
I seriously doubt Al Hunt heard racial epithets at Trump rallies as he
claims. I simply don't believe this. I'm from California, but have lived
in the South for 30 years. The last time I heard the n word was 25 years
ago from a dumb girl my wife worked with.
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Bret Rekcah Eastman • 17 minutes ago
I used to believe all that fake news. I remember during the election,
top news articles said Trump called Mexicans poison. So I searched for
the rally he supposedly said this, and what he really said was "We need
to stop the poison from crossing the border" in context, he was talking
about heroin/drugs.Not Mexicans.. That didn't stop WaPo or NYT from
pushing that nonsensical bs racism narrative though. Or most of google
news for that matter.
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MaskOfZero sirwhiskers • 12 minutes ago
Wow--it is amazing how you think this sick Hunt is concerned about Trump
voters.
It is obvious that the sick Hunt who wrote this article hates Trump
voters and holds them in utter contempt.
In the article, he is merely debating strategies to convince the few
Trump voters who are not racists, misogynists, xenophobes, Islamophobes,
homophobes etc. to vote for the corrupt Dems.
In short, just like Hillary, Berty doesn't get it.
Keep up the good work Berty--Trump 2018 !!!
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Cypress Zeta Ken Wilkinson • a day ago
When you were a kid politicians didn't say any of this, Ken. There's
something wrong with this nation today and you know it. You don't have
to love democrats or hate Republicans to know Trump isn't worthy of the
same office held by George Washington.
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ErikKengaard Cypress Zeta • 21 hours ago
So far, Trump has done far less harm to the middle class than did LBJ,
Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2, . . . .
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 ErikKengaard • 21 hours ago
That's the result of ineptitude, not a lack of ambition.
The deplorable sad-sacks who voted for Trump will be bending over soon
enough for Trump to improve them.
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jeff LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
You wouldn't recognize success if it slapped you in the face. Just
because your hero, Oblabla, accomplished absolutely nothing, besides
politicizing every arm of the Executive branch, doesn't mean the rest of
us can't understand the economic trends and they are all up.
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Samuel Clemens jeff • 16 hours ago
So right wing snowflakes can't take a response but feel free to inflict
abuse and disrespect. Yes, ignore your crowd and just get on with
getting the country back on track. You aren't deplorable so much as
ignoreable.
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simonts jeff • 7 hours ago
So, when the next recession comes then you will change your mind about
your orange colored hero?
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Cypress Zeta jeff • 20 hours ago
Stop feeding the troll. It does not help you.
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jeff Cypress Zeta • 20 hours ago
Hi CZ...Happy Easter. I am not looking for help or anything today, other
than to let LiberalLoser know that he or she or ze adds nothing to any
conversation and is embarrassing itself.
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Cypress Zeta jeff • 20 hours ago
Don't feed the troll. That is why they do this - to make you mad and get
you talking with them. Point them out and then ignore them.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 Cypress Zeta • 20 hours ago
You're a total troll and you don't follow your own advice.
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jeff Cypress Zeta • 20 hours ago
But I like to keep them talking. They act dumber and dumber by the
second. And quite frankly, I am watching TV, doing some work, having a
few beers and being entertained by the circus known as LiberalLosers.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 jeff • 19 hours ago
Aww heck, you're multitasking - like Trump pretending to be president
while kowtowing to Putin and getting real estate deals for his family
business.
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JamAnderson LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 18 hours ago
please go die in a fire
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 JamAnderson • 15 hours ago
Jesus loves you. Well, not really, he told me he thinks you're a Trump
chew-toy without the wit of a Stormy porn star.
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simonts JamAnderson • 7 hours ago
Disgusting hateful comment, on par with a Trumpard. Flagged.
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southvalley LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 16 hours ago
You forgot tweeting his brains (the ones left) out. You'd think he was a
bird in a branch
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michael LiberalSmallInvestor2 • an hour ago
But he is your President, it is an uncomfortable fact , and you can't
accept this reality. As a matter of fact, because you are an
insignificant human being, less than zero , without any noticable
achievements,leading dreary,mundane existence, make you so bitter.
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southvalley LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 16 hours ago
It's also for lack of time...let's make sure he doesn't get much more in
office...that is; maybe prison
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michael LiberalSmallInvestor2 • an hour ago
Just realize how insignificant you are, less than zero, a speck of dust
under our Great President foot. This self-evident truth will set you free.
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Cypress Zeta LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 20 hours ago
You are a troll.
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michael Cypress Zeta • an hour ago
You are Putin's troll.
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lufan131 Cypress Zeta • 16 hours ago
THEY BOTH ARE...
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stonehillady ErikKengaard • 3 hours ago
All I know is millions of babyboomers lost trillions in secure
retirement investment after the 2008 bank bailout and is main reason
many can not spend any money, they thought they could with nothing
coming from interest on savings and or CD accounts. Trillions !
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RedStateWarrior Cypress Zeta • 39 minutes ago
and Bill Clinton was? At least Trump boinked a porn star ten years
before he even thought about running for President; Clinton boinked an
intern in the Oval Office study!!!! How's that Washington comparison
working out now?
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Robert Falk Cypress Zeta • 2 hours ago
How many slaves did George Washington own again?
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 Ken Wilkinson • a day ago
Most of the deplorables are barely educated has-beens and opioid addicts
or likely to become one. Trying to tailor policy that meets their
approval would result in us becoming something like Mississippi only an
order of magnitude worse.
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jerry dangler LiberalSmallInvestor2 • a day ago
I'm a deplorable and never touched a drug in my life moron.
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existanceonly jerry dangler • a day ago
Pay the braying jackass no mind.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 jerry dangler • 21 hours ago
You're a future opioid addict, I can predict this like a diviner can
find water underground.
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jerry dangler LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
Devining rods are an old parlor trick, but simple minds are easily fooled.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 jerry dangler • 21 hours ago
"...simple minds are easily fooled."
I'm certain you speak from experience.
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jeff LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
Yes...we are speaking from experience. You see, when you deal with
little progressives, you are forced to suffer fools with simple minds.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 jeff • 20 hours ago
"Yes...we are speaking from experience."
"We"? You and the tape worms?
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michael LiberalSmallInvestor2 • an hour ago
Russian troll,go back to FSB.
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jeff LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
Well this deplorable has more education and achieved more success than
you ever will. I charge more per hour than you make per week. Someday
you might want to try being a large investor.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 jeff • 21 hours ago
Adorable, a deplorable claiming on the Internet of all places, he has a
bigdick. You can't make this stuff up.
Barb Streeter LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 20 hours ago
If you don't mind my asking, why are you so insidiously hateful to other
people?
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 Barb Streeter • 20 hours ago
Make up your own explanation, pretend it's creation science.
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jeff LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 19 hours ago
The most plausible explanation is because you have nothing. Your dreams
vanished as soon as they entered your head. You are of below average
intelligence. People don't like you, animals shun you. It wouldn't
surprise me if you become a school shooter. You have most of the
antisocial traits that they display before the perform their last
cowardly act.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 jeff • 19 hours ago
In terms of snark, that's girlish and lukewarm, come on, get your troll
out and get it up.
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southvalley LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 16 hours ago
Yeah, and how does one prove such assertions?
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existanceonly LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 3 hours ago
And the size of that braying mouth is fine right?
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WorkingClassDog LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 2 hours ago
Amen! Whole lot of conservative success stories in AL, SC, MS, KS, TN,
LA, after decades of One Party GOP rule ... Vote Them Out !
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dave LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
I feel sorry for your mother, they say rectal birth is quite painful!
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 dave • 21 hours ago
Ah, a deplorable stabs at humor! A double ration of opioids for you
Billy Bob.
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avallliere LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
LiberalSmallInvestor2 Could anyone on here imagine taking investor
advise from this opioid user. Everyone of his remarks include Russian
something or opioid - experienced in both!!! Stupid is such a nice word
for your condition.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 avallliere • 20 hours ago
Just like Trump, you've got the best words. Now, if only you could
arrange them in intelligible sequence.
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southvalley LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 16 hours ago
It'd be better if Trump could
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existanceonly LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 3 hours ago
And Trump is president of America punk and what are you going to do
about it?
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dave LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
Now you've hurt my feelings! I'm offended! See ya nancy.
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southvalley dave • 16 hours ago
Please try it....for me.....
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avallliere LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
Wow Mr. Libtard...you know nothing just like your ideiot libtard's that
take tide pods and scream to the sky. I'm a Republican - have been all
my life - have a masters degree and have never taken any pill or heroin
or whatever the drug doctors are prescribing today. We will be America
again under Trump....BTW your libtard party has absolutely no one to run
for the highest in the land...no Chuckie, no Pelosi, No Weinsten, No
Warran...the list goes on and one. TRUMP 2020!!!
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 avallliere • 20 hours ago
It's not necessary to say you've been a Republican all your life; it's
obvious.
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Samuel Clemens avallliere • 16 hours ago
Masters in idiocy and incoherence. Home bible school diplomas don't mean
much, boyo.
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southvalley LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 16 hours ago
Nah, if they were opiod ODer's, the Pubs wouldn't be so hysterical about
pushing the propaganda....oh, wait!
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Earl Tower LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 18 hours ago
Maybe you should check just how much of the veteran and military vote
went where during the 2016 vote. I think you'll find that we are not
barely educated nor has beens.
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southvalley Earl Tower • 16 hours ago
It may be less this time now that they've seen what he wants to do with
the VA
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Daddio927 LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 3 hours ago
Good job. Keep it up. Liberal arrogance is the best gift you could give
to us deplorable. It's the gift that keeps on giving and you're too
stupid to catch on.
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existanceonly LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 40 minutes ago
There you go again,....dragging your family into
it,...........................
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michael LiberalSmallInvestor2 • an hour ago
Just realize how insignificant you are , less than zero. A speck of dust
under our Great President foot.
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southvalley Ken Wilkinson • 16 hours ago
I doubt, sir, that you are a pig, but Trump certainly is....and not even
a very good one at that
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existanceonly southvalley • 3 hours ago
Speaking of pig how is your sister?
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simonts Ken Wilkinson • 7 hours ago
They may have voted their heart, but certainly not their brains.
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Jim@ProComputer Ken Wilkinson • 13 minutes ago
We elected an orange fence post imbecile president because a segment of
the population is gullible, vulnerable. Although it appears they are
still gullible, vulnerable enough voters perhaps have come to their
senses that this won't happen again. But you never know.
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MaskOfZero Ken Wilkinson • 33 minutes ago
This article is essentially a Democrat party partisan political analysis.
I notice that the author stays away from the mounting evidence that the
Dem party under Obama used all the power of government to illegally
attack the Trump campaign. The Dems also colluded with the Russians. The
Dem party caused violence at Trump rallies as boasted on camera by DNC
operative Bob Creamer who personally met with Obama many times. The Dems
are so corrupt--it would take a very thick book to enumerate all their
bribes, kickbacks, and lies.
The Dem party is as crooked as a dog's hind leg--and is ruled by wealthy
elites who own and control the MSM. The Dem party leadership is ruled by
radical Islamists, and racists and misandrists who hate America and who
especially hate white Americans. Bloomberg is an excellent example of
biased far-left propaganda.
The only way to be a Democrat today is to be dishonest, stupid, and to
have a serious case of amnesia.
That or just be plain Evil.
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existanceonly Ken Wilkinson • 3 hours ago
Spoken by a "deplorable" to "deplorable's" for reference point only. Let
them do it. They are good at it and you'll just get all dirty if you do it.
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stonehillady existanceonly • 3 hours ago
and whom continues to divide us ? Is it not Clinton News Network and
Government forms that ask you to pick a box that describes your
ethnicity ? What difference does a race have, don't we all need the same
things ? To most of us, ethnicity is all about cuisine, that is about it !
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deep Ken Wilkinson • 2 hours ago
I don't know anyone who votes Democrat with a collage degree, but I
hypothesize that many more of us have college degrees and some go
beyond. And we help run this country as well. The insinuation that only
Trump voters do is silly, to sat the least.
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Mike Hiller • 2 hours ago
Dem platform is set:
Raise taxes
Ban Guns
Suppress speech
Open borders
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steve696 Mike Hiller • an hour ago
Yep.
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Daddio927 • 3 hours ago
LOL!! This op-ed is guilty of the very sin it's preaching against. You
idiots in the media still don't get it and apparently you never will.
Instead of calling Clinton, Biden and company out for the things they
said and pointing out that those things are just plain WRONG to say
about wide swaths of American voters... you instead make the argument
that it was some kind of "tactical" error and that engaging in that kind
of behavior is akin to "wrestling in the mud with pigs (aka Trump and
anyone who supports him)". This boneheaded hypocrisy in the left-leaning
media is why Trump won in 2016 and why he will probably win again in
2020. That's fine with me, though. Your ignorant arrogance is a great
source of entertainment and it will ensure that you never regain control.
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Hollif50 • 2 hours ago
And they can't call his voters "deplorables." Too late!!! We heard you
the first time and will be voting accordingly.
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J Harris • 19 hours ago
Al Hunt has a good point, but he needs to also tell Republicans and
Trump voters don't look down at blacks and Hispanics as freeloaders and
only want welfare and handouts. Also don't look at Muslims as
terrorists. Don't look at white educated voters who are more
progressives as snowflakes. White resentment and white privilege are
some of the main reasons, NOT ONLY, how and why Trump won.
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orenv J Harris • 2 hours ago
Certainly not "all", but just looking at convicted felon rates and
incidents of terror tells a story that cannot be ignored. Now those
Asians for some reason cannot be found in those ranks in any great
number. I wonder why.../s
Common sense says when your activities end in bad outcomes, you should
consider changing them.
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YAK HEARDER • a day ago
Democrats and name calling ?, That's what they do best.
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Cypress Zeta YAK HEARDER • 20 hours ago
There are people out there who want to split our democracy by setting us
all against each other by popping up to spew worthless divisive name
calling. Are you an American first or not?
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southvalley Cypress Zeta • 16 hours ago
republicans have been working for 40+ years to make it party over country.
Now, these voters just look for the letter behind the name whether it
hurts them or not
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YAK HEARDER southvalley • 15 hours ago
since the 1700's the d's have only worked to enrich themselves at every
one's expense.
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simonts YAK HEARDER • 7 hours ago
Nice BS, no facts supporting it. Par for the course for you and your
fellow Trumpards.
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David Swanner • a day ago
But it's okay for Republicans to say liberals aren't real Americans and
say that we hate our country.
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Cypress Zeta David Swanner • 21 hours ago
We're all Americans. We can disagree on how to do things but we are the
same people at the end of the day.
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Joey Meatballs David Swanner • 21 hours ago
You hit the nail on the head David. When liberals care more for
illegals, people's feelings, try to takes down...by violence....legal
assemblies, use children as pawns for their agenda, and attack anyone
that disagrees with them they MUST hate America and any one that doesn't
agree with them. Tell Me It ain't so and I'll Be the first to Call you a
lying racist fascist sob. Heck find me and I'll tell it to your face.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 Joey Meatballs • 21 hours ago
You must be one of Jerry Dangler's star pupils (see his claim below).
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Joey Meatballs LiberalSmallInvestor2 • 21 hours ago
Seeing we ALL evolved from monkeys I would say yes and proud. You should
take his class, but wait you're not a monkey, more like a donkey, you
know Jack arse.
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LiberalSmallInvestor2 Joey Meatballs • 21 hours ago
Did we evolve from monkeys?
Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to
modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either.
Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas
and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into
two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into
gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors
called hominids.
I'm going to put you down as "retarded common ancestor", keep trying though.
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richard kluesek David Swanner • 21 hours ago
But Progressives and Liberals root for America's enemies and propose
unAmerican ideas like homosexuals in girls locker and rest rooms and
antiAmerican policies like repealing the 2nd Amendment while saying they
dont want to take away any guns, so why do they need to repeal the 2nd
Amendment ?
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Baxter
Apr 2, 2018, 10:30:24 PM4/2/18
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a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:p9thc...@news4.newsguy.com:
> On 4/2/2018 8:09 AM, a425couple wrote:
> So, the folks that voted for President Trump are now "pigs"? You STILL
> don't get the situation. There are millions of independent voters out
> there that vote their heart and brains. No, a lot of them don't have a
> collage degree in political science, but these are the folks that keep
> this country running every day. Keep up the name calling.
>
"Independent voters"?!! Bulloney! The Russians played you like a fiddle.
news:p9thc...@news4.newsguy.com:
> On 4/2/2018 8:09 AM, a425couple wrote:
> So, the folks that voted for President Trump are now "pigs"? You STILL
> don't get the situation. There are millions of independent voters out
> there that vote their heart and brains. No, a lot of them don't have a
> collage degree in political science, but these are the folks that keep
> this country running every day. Keep up the name calling.
>
None of the Above
Apr 3, 2018, 3:41:52 AM4/3/18
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other explanation.
It is humorous that it is now the left that sees Russians under every
bed...
Dasvidaniya Baxterkovich
Baxter
Apr 3, 2018, 10:27:52 AM4/3/18
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None of the Above <E...@erg.oy> wrote in
news:1sa6cdtb1j0144jl3...@4ax.com:
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Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference
https://is.gd/53fF94
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Did Russia Affect the 2016 Election? It’s Now Undeniable
https://is.gd/QhGULO
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The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election
in order to increase political instability in the United States and to
damage Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign by bolstering the
candidacies of Donald J. Trump, Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein.[1][2][3] A
January 2017 assessment by the Office of the Director of National
Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership favored presidential
candidate Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and that Russian president
Vladimir Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm
Clinton's electoral chances and "undermine public faith in the US
democratic process."[3]:7
https://is.gd/iHoB30
news:1sa6cdtb1j0144jl3...@4ax.com:
Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference
https://is.gd/53fF94
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Did Russia Affect the 2016 Election? It’s Now Undeniable
https://is.gd/QhGULO
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The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election
in order to increase political instability in the United States and to
damage Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign by bolstering the
candidacies of Donald J. Trump, Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein.[1][2][3] A
January 2017 assessment by the Office of the Director of National
Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership favored presidential
candidate Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and that Russian president
Vladimir Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm
Clinton's electoral chances and "undermine public faith in the US
democratic process."[3]:7
https://is.gd/iHoB30
a425couple
Apr 3, 2018, 10:30:43 AM4/3/18
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On 4/3/2018 12:41 AM, None of the Above wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 02:30:21 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 02:30:21 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> On 4/2/2018 8:09 AM, a425couple wrote:
>>
>>> So, the folks that voted for President Trump are now "pigs"? You STILL
>>> don't get the situation. There are millions of independent voters out
>>> there that vote their heart and brains. No, a lot of them don't have a
>>> collage degree in political science, but these are the folks that keep
>>> this country running every day. Keep up the name calling.
>>>
>>
>> "Independent voters"?!! Bulloney! The Russians played you like a fiddle.
>
> That's right - Hillary lost because of the Ruskies. Couldn't be any
> other explanation.
>
> It is humorous that it is now the left that sees Russians under every
> bed...
>
> Dasvidaniya Baxterkovich
>
Remember when the liberals went wild applauding their hero
>>
>>> So, the folks that voted for President Trump are now "pigs"? You STILL
>>> don't get the situation. There are millions of independent voters out
>>> there that vote their heart and brains. No, a lot of them don't have a
>>> collage degree in political science, but these are the folks that keep
>>> this country running every day. Keep up the name calling.
>>>
>>
>> "Independent voters"?!! Bulloney! The Russians played you like a fiddle.
>
> That's right - Hillary lost because of the Ruskies. Couldn't be any
> other explanation.
>
> It is humorous that it is now the left that sees Russians under every
> bed...
>
> Dasvidaniya Baxterkovich
>
POTUS Obama put down of Romney's fears of growing Russian
threats, with his "You know, the Cold War is over now?!"
But know, Obama's use of social media was praiseworthy,
but Trump's is reprehensible.
And Hillary's hired social media thugs mugging Gary
Johnson was just fine.
Al Czervik
Apr 3, 2018, 11:55:16 AM4/3/18
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Al Czervik
Apr 3, 2018, 11:56:54 AM4/3/18
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On 4/3/2018 7:27 AM, Baxter wrote:
> None of the Above <E...@erg.oy> wrote in
> news:1sa6cdtb1j0144jl3...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 02:30:21 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:p9thc...@news4.newsguy.com:
>>>
>>>> On 4/2/2018 8:09 AM, a425couple wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, the folks that voted for President Trump are now "pigs"? You
>>>> STILL don't get the situation. There are millions of independent
>>>> voters out there that vote their heart and brains. No, a lot of them
>>>> don't have a collage degree in political science, but these are the
>>>> folks that keep this country running every day. Keep up the name
>>>> calling.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Independent voters"?!! Bulloney! The Russians played you like a
>>> fiddle.
>>
>> That's right - Hillary lost because of the Ruskies. Couldn't be any
>> other explanation.
>>
>> It is humorous that it is now the left that sees Russians under every
>> bed...
>>
> ----------------
> Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference
>
> https://is.gd/53fF94
Or...
> None of the Above <E...@erg.oy> wrote in
> news:1sa6cdtb1j0144jl3...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 02:30:21 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:p9thc...@news4.newsguy.com:
>>>
>>>> On 4/2/2018 8:09 AM, a425couple wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, the folks that voted for President Trump are now "pigs"? You
>>>> STILL don't get the situation. There are millions of independent
>>>> voters out there that vote their heart and brains. No, a lot of them
>>>> don't have a collage degree in political science, but these are the
>>>> folks that keep this country running every day. Keep up the name
>>>> calling.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Independent voters"?!! Bulloney! The Russians played you like a
>>> fiddle.
>>
>> That's right - Hillary lost because of the Ruskies. Couldn't be any
>> other explanation.
>>
>> It is humorous that it is now the left that sees Russians under every
>> bed...
>>
> ----------------
> Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference
>
> https://is.gd/53fF94
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772563/Clinton-aide-destroyed-two-Hillary-s-phones-breaking-half-hitting-hammer-FBI-documents-reveal.html
Baxter
Apr 3, 2018, 3:14:07 PM4/3/18
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Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pa0886$4vp$2...@dont-email.me:
So what? Nothing wrong with destroying your own phones. And nothing to
do with whether the Russians interferred with the 2016 elections.
The right-wing has tried repeatedly to find some Hillary wrongdoing and
failed. That the Russians interferred with the 2016 election is proven
fact.
news:pa0886$4vp$2...@dont-email.me:
do with whether the Russians interferred with the 2016 elections.
The right-wing has tried repeatedly to find some Hillary wrongdoing and
failed. That the Russians interferred with the 2016 election is proven
fact.
Al Czervik
Apr 4, 2018, 11:09:19 AM4/4/18
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you're an apologist for Hillary! However, the rest of the world
understands that you don't destroy phones with hammers unless you have
something to hide. Everyone in America knows Hillary! is dirty and
fortunately only some of them voted for her anyway and now Trump is
President.
Republicans will continue to have favorable outcomes as long as the
Democrats don't look introspectively at their failed candidates and
instead keep chasing the Russian boogieman.
Baxter
Apr 4, 2018, 7:00:11 PM4/4/18
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Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in news:pa2pqu$hba$1@dont-
email.me:
You have no actual evidence that there was any "evidence" on those
phones. She would be *required* to destroy those phones if she had used
them for classified activities.
You've just swallowed the Trump accusation and Russian echo.
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Whether you're a Secretary of State with a phone full of classified
documents or an average sext-sending citizen, data removal is a crucial
security step before you let a device leave your control or recycle it.
And security experts agree there's at least one surefire way to be
certain that data is truly removed and unrecoverable: kill the hardware.
"You destroy that certain piece that’s storing the critical information,
and there’s little chance you’re going to get it back," says Eric Brown,
a lab manager at the forensic data-recovery firm Flashback Data. "It
doesn’t matter how much money you throw at it or how much experience you
have."
https://www.wired.com/2016/09/actually-clinton-destroyed-phones-better/
email.me:
phones. She would be *required* to destroy those phones if she had used
them for classified activities.
You've just swallowed the Trump accusation and Russian echo.
----------
Whether you're a Secretary of State with a phone full of classified
documents or an average sext-sending citizen, data removal is a crucial
security step before you let a device leave your control or recycle it.
And security experts agree there's at least one surefire way to be
certain that data is truly removed and unrecoverable: kill the hardware.
"You destroy that certain piece that’s storing the critical information,
and there’s little chance you’re going to get it back," says Eric Brown,
a lab manager at the forensic data-recovery firm Flashback Data. "It
doesn’t matter how much money you throw at it or how much experience you
have."
https://www.wired.com/2016/09/actually-clinton-destroyed-phones-better/
Al Czervik
Apr 5, 2018, 8:43:45 AM4/5/18
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Hillary! can do that will allow you to understand that Hillary! was such
a shitty, untrustworthy candidate that she lost to the 2nd worst
candidate in history.
Baxter
Apr 5, 2018, 10:57:08 AM4/5/18
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Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in news:pa55m0$kj5$1@dont-
email.me:
> On 4/4/2018 4:00 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in news:pa2pqu$hba$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>>
email.me:
> On 4/4/2018 4:00 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in news:pa2pqu$hba$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>>
>>> There is something wrong with destroying evidence.
>>
>> You have no actual evidence that there was any "evidence" on those
>> phones. She would be *required* to destroy those phones if she had used
>> them for classified activities.
>
> None of that is protocol. I understand that there is nothing that
> Hillary! can do that will allow you to understand that Hillary! was such
> a shitty, untrustworthy candidate that she lost to the 2nd worst
> candidate in history.
>
Nothing Trump has done has been according to protocol
>>
>> You have no actual evidence that there was any "evidence" on those
>> phones. She would be *required* to destroy those phones if she had used
>> them for classified activities.
>
> None of that is protocol. I understand that there is nothing that
> Hillary! can do that will allow you to understand that Hillary! was such
> a shitty, untrustworthy candidate that she lost to the 2nd worst
> candidate in history.
>
Baxter
Apr 5, 2018, 11:15:33 AM4/5/18
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Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in
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Official protocol IS to physically destroy old phones.
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Second, official protocol (when you either get a new phone or you need to
turn in that phone b/c you’re leaving that role) is to: (a) clean the
phone…remove all programs, all data, everything and then (b) remove the
SIM card and physically destroy it and then (c) if the phone is not an
old model you turn it in to be sold as government surplus. But most
secure phones and all old models, the user is told to physically destroy
the phone. The easiest way is to take a hammer to it—destroy the screen
and keyboard, break the circuitry into multiple pieces.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Hillarys-aides-destroy-their-mobile-devices-
with-hammers
news:pa5dg1$1r63$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
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Second, official protocol (when you either get a new phone or you need to
turn in that phone b/c you’re leaving that role) is to: (a) clean the
phone…remove all programs, all data, everything and then (b) remove the
SIM card and physically destroy it and then (c) if the phone is not an
old model you turn it in to be sold as government surplus. But most
secure phones and all old models, the user is told to physically destroy
the phone. The easiest way is to take a hammer to it—destroy the screen
and keyboard, break the circuitry into multiple pieces.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Hillarys-aides-destroy-their-mobile-devices-
with-hammers
Baxter
Apr 5, 2018, 11:43:19 AM4/5/18
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18 are not in compliance with a DHS directive to implement a security
protocol that verifies the emails as genuinely from the White House.
https://twitter.com/axios/status/981476471725346816
Al Czervik
Apr 10, 2018, 1:18:47 AM4/10/18
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Baxter
Apr 10, 2018, 10:59:51 AM4/10/18
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Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
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