On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 9:20:29 AM CEST Grzegorz Grzybek wrote:
> For me,
ops4j.org page never worked (I mean it shows only "It works!"), so
> I'm +1 for moving to
ops4j.github.org with or without redirect from
>
ops4j.org TLD.
I strongly suggest to keep the ops4j domains (at the very least
ops4j.org):
1) Reverse domain name (org.ops4j.) is used for all releases
2) Keeping ops4j domains is the only way to prevent takeover by scammers
3) What should happen if GitHub will go away in the future (unlikely but
happened to other services, e.g.
java.net)?
We can point all ops4j.[org|net|com] to
ops4j.github.io with no effort (even
supported by low-budget hosting providers).
I'm willing to spend some bucks and time for keeping the domains and setting
up a minimal website for the project (we use JBake at Apache Sling to generate
a static website, could be an option here also).
Regards,
O.
> >>>>>>> *TL/TR:*
> >>>>>>> I'd be also happy to pay for
ops4j.org (the one that is actively
> >>>>>>> used atm).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Long version:*
> >>>>>>> Since this is coming up now, there is a general question were to go
> >>>>>>> with OPS4J in general.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It predated github and probably was back then the easiest way to get
> >>>>>>> hands dirty in a non-trivial java based OSS community where trust
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>> default. Think about it, back then everyone could get write access
> >>>>>>> to the
> >>>>>>> subversion repo and start hacking on new or existing projects.
> >>>>>>> Including
> >>>>>>> admin access to jira and whatever else was existing back then. Pax
> >>>>>>> URL, Pax
> >>>>>>> Runner, Pax Exam, Pax Construct etc. all got initiated by
> >>>>>>> individuals
> >>>>>>> without asking for permission. I mean.. thats Names like Pax
> >>>>>>> Tinybundles
> >>>>>>> got to life.. but oh well.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now, why am I writing this: there is - at least for pax url, web and
> >>>>>>> exam - a huge user base that seems to be quite healthy. Even if
> >>>>>>> there is
> >>>>>>> just that "ops4j" name of the github organization now, no website
> >>>>>>> etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, question: what are the options? Let me just drop them here that
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> come to my mind (ordered from easy-as-py to more complicated
options):
> >>>>>>> - keep things as is, find individual sponsors like I do with the
> >>>>>>> Build Server (who uses that still by the way??), and JB or me
> >>>>>>> (this means
> >>>>>>> I'd be also fine to pay for the org domain that is in active
> >>>>>>> use,too btw).
> >>>>>>> It would be good to have two different companies or legal
> >>>>>>> entities backing
> >>>>>>> this anyway.
> >>>>>>> - Modernize OPS4J a bit. Get it a landing page at least and a
> >>>>>>> clear who is behind all this, who pays etc. Maybe look at Github
> >>>>>>> Sponsoring
> >>>>>>> to spread costs across user base - avoid single entity control.
> >>>>>>> - Maybe look into making it a proper foundation or at least an
> >>>>>>> entity that makes the work here eligible for future donations. I
> >>>>>>> am not
> >>>>>>> sure of this is worth it. But i feel Open Source != Open
> >>>>>>> Governance.
> >>>>>>> - Retire non active projects and donate active projects to
> >>>>>>> apache. Probably difficult because of Intellectual Property)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wdyt?
> >>>>>>> Toni
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <
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> >>>>>>>>> BV1p1-KkSMTE_BQT2HhUZyOUM9jyA%
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>> ooter> .
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> >> ooter> .
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