Is there a point?
spamfilt...@gmail.com
know if it's worth it.
AFAIK, the functionally of M2 hasn't changed much between version 8 and
9, though it's a major version jump. Apparently the mail cilent is
neglected and we can't expect major changes in how it works.
That's why I'm hesitant about taking the time and writing about my
wishes, because Opera seems not caring about M2 very much.
Do you know any major wishes which was actually implemented in M2? If
not then what's the point?
Bill P
I think the big changes (if any) were in imap, but I don't think a
majority of people have or use it so I never understood why it was touted
as an important enhancement. Also there were changes to the backend
storage I believe.
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Camus SoNiCo
It seems that no one really knows...
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Gian
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:16:03 -0400, <spamfilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>> know if it's worth it.
[CUT]
>> Do you know any major wishes which was actually implemented in M2? If
>> not then what's the point?
>>
>
>
> I think the big changes (if any) were in imap, but I don't think a
> majority of people have or use it so I never understood why it was
> touted as an important enhancement. Also there were changes to the
> backend storage I believe.
>
Yes, i believe they are working more on the portable side (in a cell phone
ora PDA you will never have enough space to store all your messages).
When they'll finish to improve the imap, i hope they'll have a look at the
other aspects of M2 too ... i hope :|
Cheers. Gian
--
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http://www.operazone.it
spamfilt...@gmail.com
>
> Yes, i believe they are working more on the portable side (in a cell phone
> ora PDA you will never have enough space to store all your messages).
> When they'll finish to improve the imap, i hope they'll have a look at the
> other aspects of M2 too ... i hope :|
I doubt there will be any major functionality (and I mean frontend
functionality, not backend, like imap) improvement in the foreseeable
future.
They need to make money and M2 isn't bringing it. I expect they will
continue to patch M2, fix the backend problems and the occasional bugs,
but Opera won't devote significant developer time to overhaul current
M2 functionality.
So I think it's pretty much pointless to make wishes about M2, because
they won't be implemented anytime soon.
Bill P
Would be nice if someone from Opera would disagree/agree because it is
approaching time to find an email client that is in more than maintenance
mode and they should be considerate enough to let us know if it's time to
move on.
Camus SoNiCo
> approaching time to find an email client that is in more than
> maintenance mode and they should be considerate enough to let us know if
> it's time to move on.
>
+1 I'm really think on moving to evolution...
spamfilt...@gmail.com
Bill P wrote:
>
> Would be nice if someone from Opera would disagree/agree because it is
> approaching time to find an email client that is in more than maintenance
> mode and they should be considerate enough to let us know if it's time to
> move on.
Well, this confirmation request came up lots of times in the past in
for different issues. The answer always was they couldn't comment on
future plans.
I like M2, but I guess it's about time to evaluate Thunderbird.
Bill P
wrote:
>> Would be nice if someone from Opera would disagree/agree because it is
>> approaching time to find an email client that is in more than
>> maintenance mode and they should be considerate enough to let us know
>> if it's time to move on.
>>
>
> +1 I'm really think on moving to evolution...
>
imho Sylpheed-claw and Kmail are much more functional
Camus SoNiCo
I use gnome and evolution is greatly integrated on it ;)
spamfilt...@gmail.com
BTW, the reason I still use M2 is that it has some really nice
features. The apparent lack of development is frustraing, but I don't
know if there is an other mail client with a similar feature set.
What I want:
- The database approach with filters are nice, so I want something like
that. AFAIK, most modern mailers can do similar things ("virtual
folders", etc.), so I don't thinks it's a problem.
- I want full text index of all my mails, so that search is
instantaneous. I don't want to wait for a search result anymore. M2
spoiled me.
- I want the same experience on multiple platforms (Windows, Linux). I
don't want to use different clients on different platforms.
Do you know a client other than M2 which satisfies all of these
criterias?
Howard Brazee
>They need to make money and M2 isn't bringing it. I expect they will
>continue to patch M2, fix the backend problems and the occasional bugs,
>but Opera won't devote significant developer time to overhaul current
>M2 functionality.
M2 doesn't seem to fit their current business model, unless they
re-design it for the needs of their paying customers.
>So I think it's pretty much pointless to make wishes about M2, because
>they won't be implemented anytime soon.
That's OK. They showed no sign of being interested in making it
useful for my needs anyway.
spamfilt...@gmail.com
Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 12:27:23 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >They need to make money and M2 isn't bringing it. I expect they will
> >continue to patch M2, fix the backend problems and the occasional bugs,
> >but Opera won't devote significant developer time to overhaul current
> >M2 functionality.
>
> M2 doesn't seem to fit their current business model,
I'm not an open source fanatic (I use Opera after all), but this is the
main problem with closed source software.
If the company changes direction and stops improving the product then
the user is screwed. Not possible to fork the code and improve it
yourself or find/pay someone to do it.
If I dump M2 I'll only do it for an open source client.
Howard Brazee
>I'm not an open source fanatic (I use Opera after all), but this is the
>main problem with closed source software.
>
>If the company changes direction and stops improving the product then
>the user is screwed. Not possible to fork the code and improve it
>yourself or find/pay someone to do it.
>
>If I dump M2 I'll only do it for an open source client.
Open source can be abandoned as well. I gave up on Sunbird when it
became apparent that nobody was interested in finishing it.
There are commercial programs such as Forte Agent that have a primary
focus which cannot be dropped without dropping the whole program. This
makes it more likely to be supported - until it dies. But when it
dies, I will only lose that piece of my communication needs.
Mikhail Grigoryev
Well, there was an internet suite called Mozilla, which was dumped and the
whole thing became a standalone browser and a standalone mail client. Not
that Mozilla was nicely integrated really, but still - a change in the
business model, a change in the product development direction. Who's
supposed to fork the code and improve it? Pay someone to do it? Are you
serious? MoFo has a budget measured in millions a year, with all those
volunteers who allegedly do the coding.
Or maybe you haven't heard of open source projects that were dumped and
died?
Holger Jeromin
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:41:54 +0400, <spamfilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> On 3 Oct 2006 12:27:23 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> M2 doesn't seem to fit their current business model,
>> I'm not an open source fanatic (I use Opera after all), but this is the
>> main problem with closed source software.
>> If the company changes direction and stops improving the product then
>> the user is screwed. Not possible to fork the code and improve it
>> yourself or find/pay someone to do it.
> Well, there was an internet suite called Mozilla, which was dumped and the
> whole thing became a standalone browser and a standalone mail client. Not
> that Mozilla was nicely integrated really, but still - a change in the
> business model, a change in the product development direction. Who's
> supposed to fork the code and improve it? Pay someone to do it? Are you
Good example. The fork was done. See the Mozilla Seamonkey project...
--
regards
Holger Jeromin
Tim Altman
>I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>know if it's worth it.
It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
2) Rich text composition
What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
--
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Core QA
Opera Software
Remove NO SPAM from e-mail address to reply
spamfilt...@gmail.com
Tim Altman wrote:
>
> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
> 2) Rich text composition
>
> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
I'm afraid a little more than these. :)
For example, I'd like M2 to have an option to handle conversations like
gmail does. A conversation is a single thread where all messages (sent
and received) belonging to the thread can be seen (without setting up
filters manually of course) and the conversation can be handled as a
single entity (deleting the whole thing, adding it to a filter, etc.).
in my experience it is much more useful than dealing with individual
messages (though conversation view would be optional complementing the
current functionality, not replacing it).
spamfilt...@gmail.com
> > 9, though it's a major version jump.
>
I meant improvements in frontend functionality, not backend fixes.
Robin Zalek
wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>> know if it's worth it.
>
> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>
> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
> 2) Rich text composition
>
> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>
I'd love to see an end to the problem of filters (typically newsfeeds)
getting mixed up.
E.g. new messages being placed in the wrong filter, old messages moving
filter (or even disappearing altogether), and filters merging (with one
filter's messages disappearing).
Now if only I could pin down a reliable test case to trigger these
effects. :/
Bill P
wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>> know if it's worth it.
>
> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>
> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
> 2) Rich text composition
>
> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>
I'd like additional criteria available in filters as well as the ability
to delete and forward based on the filtering rules, enhanced contact
management if just first and last name fields, and some work done to
enhance the news reader and make it more functional. Also, people still
have problems with the back end from loosing mail to having email end up
as newsgroup postings.
Most importantly I'd like to seem some regular forward momentum regarding
M2 functionality so that I didn't think it was dead and being ignored.
Andrew Gregory
wrote:
> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
Non-flakey search/filtering would be nice. I frequently search for keys
words and end up with no results, when I *know* they exist.
I've had emails show up in newsfeeds (and vice versa).
Then there's the bug where sent emails continue to show in Send *and*
Drafts and are linked together so you can't delete one without deleteing
the other. It requires stuffing about resending it to yourself so you end
up with a new Sent message, allowing the first Sent+Draft to be deleted.
In short, I'd like Opera Mail to be a whole lot more reliable.
Either that, or tools need to be made available where the mail store can
be repaired - i.e. manually put messages where they belong, re-index
without needing figure out which files to delete, etc.
*Then* worry about new features like encryption, fancy formatting, and
something I found really handy in Thunderbird the other day: "Paste as
quotation".
--
Andrew Gregory
<URL: http://www.scss.com.au/family/andrew/ >
Tim Altman
>Tim Altman wrote:
>>
>> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
>> 2) Rich text composition
>>
>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>
>I'm afraid a little more than these. :)
>
>For example, I'd like M2 to have an option to handle conversations like
>gmail does. A conversation is a single thread where all messages (sent
>and received) belonging to the thread can be seen (without setting up
>filters manually of course) and the conversation can be handled as a
>single entity (deleting the whole thing, adding it to a filter, etc.).
I've seen a request similar to this: the ability to right-click on a
message and choose "Show thread" (or something) to view only messages
from that thread. One of the natural ways to display it would be
similar to Gmail's threading.
Tim Altman
<bt...@spammygoodness.jellyslab.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:38:49 +0100, Tim Altman <do....@spam.me.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>>> know if it's worth it.
>>
>> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
>> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>>
>> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
>> 2) Rich text composition
>>
>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>
>I'd love to see an end to the problem of filters (typically newsfeeds)
>getting mixed up.
So would we! We have a potential fix in place for Peregrine (the next
major feature release) that we'll be testing.
[...]
>Now if only I could pin down a reliable test case to trigger these
>effects. :/
That's exactly the problem we have, as well.
Tim Altman
I hope you'll see that momentum in Peregrine, the next major feature
release.
YinYanger
escreveu:
> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>> know if it's worth it.
>
> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>
> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
> 2) Rich text composition
>
> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>
Here we go!
Please! Fix the bugs related to contacts with additional addresses! More
info at <URL: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1132775
> and <URL: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1472594 >
These are the subjects of my own posts on the opera.wishlist:
- A special icon for messages which have several attachments of different
types
- More labels and more than just one label for the same message
- A drop down menu for the "News" and "Follow Up" buttons in the compose
window, with the available NGs
- Contacts file name on opera:about
- (if no Rich text composition) Header and footer images in a mail (for
Logo and signature)
These are the subjects of my own posts on the opera.mail+news:
Marking old mails as Spam ("Filter existing messages" in the Spam access
point properties don´t works)
--
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Usando o M2, revolucionário cliente de e-mail do Opera:
http://www.opera.com/m2/
Brian D Clary
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:38:49 +0800, Tim Altman <do....@spam.me.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>
> *Then* worry about new features like encryption, fancy formatting, and
> something I found really handy in Thunderbird the other day: "Paste as
> quotation".
That does sound handy. I'd vote for this also.
--
Brian
Opera 9.02 build 8585 for Windows
Brian D Clary
> I hope you'll see that momentum in Peregrine, the next major feature
> release.
Opera 10 already?
Brian D Clary
> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>> know if it's worth it.
>
> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>
> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
> 2) Rich text composition
>
> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
-Fix for M2 trying to connect to my IMAP account when emptying the trash in which there are no messages from my IMAP account.
-Three pane mail page. I'm tired of opening and closing the mail panel depending on whether I'm reading mail or reading a web page.
-Fix for M2 importing news posts as messages (hit reply on an imported news post and it acts like an email, replying to the poster and not the news group).
-When composing news posts, be able to click on the "news" header and choose a news group from a drop down list of subscribed news groups (similar to the "to" header for emails).
Gian
wrote:
> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>> know if it's worth it.
>
> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>
> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
> 2) Rich text composition
>
> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
Improving import from Outlook Express; i keep having duplicated messages.
I "always" have to install Thunderbird, import from OE to TB and then
import from TB to Opera :(
Cheers. Gian
--
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http://www.operazone.it
Boguś Szczepanowski
> Tim Altman wrote:
[cut]
>
> For example, I'd like M2 to have an option to handle conversations like
> gmail does. A conversation is a single thread where all messages (sent
> and received) belonging to the thread can be seen (without setting up
> filters manually of course) and the conversation can be handled as a
> single entity (deleting the whole thing, adding it to a filter, etc.).
Exactly. Just click on View, check a magic checkbox and see in a folder
the whole converation.
The second thing I beg for, is the ability to set default encoding. So if
the message lacks charset, the selected one will be used. Now, iso-8859-1
is hard-coded and I even don't know, how to display a single message with
different encoding.
--
Boguś
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>
>Improving import from Outlook Express; i keep having duplicated messages.
>I "always" have to install Thunderbird, import from OE to TB and then
>import from TB to Opera :(
I'd like to see *every* e-mail program have the ability to export and
import important folders of messages to a safe place - which is not
dependent upon that e-mail program still being around in the future.
Some correspondence is valuable and any program that doesn't recognize
this should not be considered.
Ivan Magerle
> Peregrine
Hmm... Nice code name. ;)
--
M4gi
Boguś Szczepanowski
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:10:09 -0400, Andrew Gregory <and...@no.spam.scss.com.au.invalid> wrote:
[cut]
>> *Then* worry about new features like encryption, fancy formatting, and
>> something I found really handy in Thunderbird the other day: "Paste as
>> quotation".
Encryption (S/MIME, PGP) would be very nice. When it comes to me, I don't
need HTML formating etc., but it would also be nice.
I'd like you to thank you, guys, for the best autocompletion on To/BC/BCC
fields I've ever seen, and indexing feature that makes serching lighting.
Keep it up :)
--
Boguś
Gian
wrote:
Yep, there are some things i do not like about M2 and things it lacks but
1 and simply feature is:
select Sent folder, right click, export: 10 seconds!
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
<bdc...@dev.null>:
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:49:19 -0400, Tim Altman <do....@spam.me.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I hope you'll see that momentum in Peregrine, the next major feature
>> release.
>
> Opera 10 already?
We use codenames like Merlin and Peregrine for development branched so we
don't have to think about the numbering :)
--
Rijk
Opera Software ASA
QA etc
Gian
For the name there is a poll, a lottery, a swimming contest or what else?
:)
Tim Altman
<f_r...@delelethiz.wp.pl> wrote:
[...]
>The second thing I beg for, is the ability to set default encoding. So if
>the message lacks charset, the selected one will be used. Now, iso-8859-1
>is hard-coded and I even don't know, how to display a single message with
>different encoding.
Indeed, we have some encoding problems in Opera 9. The current idea
is that the outgoing encoding set in account preferences will be a
fallback encoding for the account. Also, the View > Encoding selector
should work consistently.
Derek Parnell
Yes Yes Yes!!!!!
--
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(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
"Down with mediocrity!"
6/10/2006 9:58:34 AM
Haavard Kvam Moen
wrote:
> I'd like to see *every* e-mail program have the ability to export and
> import important folders of messages to a safe place - which is not
> dependent upon that e-mail program still being around in the future.
You can do this in Opera, though only for filters (not for individual
messages or selected messages in a view or filter). Exported mails are
stored in a standard format that most e-mail client should be able to
handle.
--
Håvard Kvam Moen, QA SaD
Paul Weiss
> escreveu:
>
>> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>>> know if it's worth it.
>>
>> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
>> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>>
>> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
>> 2) Rich text composition
>>
>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>>
>
I would love to have a way to look up an image URL for a contact given an
email address. Either LDAP or just a Javascript function that could run.
I'd like to have the image displayed in the regular INBOX without having
to select the contact. That would really help me in my growing company
where I no longer know everyone.
You still have a way to go with folder consistency. When I run two
Opera's against the same mail repository, and delete email from one and
empty trash, it does _not_ go away in the other one, until I restart it.
I'm less interested in Rich Text composition than in faithful forwarding
of HTML emails.
Please fix the bug with Contacts where you don't display the contact image
if there are multiple email addresses.
Support for message digests -- allow me to respond to a message within the
digest.
Tristan
> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>
> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
> 2) Rich text composition
>
> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
I stopped using M2 because the lack of support for GPG so I
really hope this gets into the next Opera release, for me it is
much easier to use the mail client embedded in my habitual
browser, but I receive encrypted emails and I have no choice.
Another feature that I would find useful is to be able to see how
much disk space each folder is taking in MB or %.
I would also love to see some plugin possibilities in M2 I think
this would ensure it gets upgraded when new stuff comes up as
it happens all the time in the ever evolving internet, most mail
clients allow plugins already, Thunderbird, Sylpheed, and even
Outlook Express. It is unlikely that any company would develop
them for M2 because of the market share, but maybe it is possible
to create a community like the Widget building people.
Other things I would like to see is the possibility of customising
some of the headers when posting to newsgroups, and change
the behaviour of Opera in the "Message-ID:" header as by default it
adds the hostname there right after the "@".
I know this can be changed, but in the first place many people don't
know that this happens and it is not good enough having to read a
tutorial to change it, we all have better things to do.
I also would like to see tabbed servers instead of a tree shape, by
this I mean when you want to change from NSP1 to NSP2 you just click
on a tab that contains the NSP2 name. MesNews has this and
I believe Forte Agent too but maybe that is not possible though because
of the way the whole Opera suite is integrated it looks as if many more
things would have to be changed to achieve this. But a tabbed notes
option would not be bad neither, instead of having an arrow to choose
Mail/Widgets/History/etc, much rather have tabs.
And because we are so close to Christmas I am also going to ask
being able to customise M2 much more when sending email, I
have recently tried PINE and the possibilities it allows when sending
email, compared to M2 is like years light.
I say, more power to the user!
YinYanger
escreveu:
>>
>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>>
>
> Here we go!
>
> Please! Fix the bugs related to contacts with additional addresses! More
> info at <URL: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1132775
>> and <URL: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1472594 >
>
> These are the subjects of my own posts on the opera.wishlist:
> - A special icon for messages which have several attachments of
> different types
> - More labels and more than just one label for the same message
I just realized I could (for my needs) use several custom filters instead
of several labels for the same message.
But I still want an official way to set more labels. By now I´m using the
unsupported way explained at
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=opr7g0ji...@capitole.oslo.opera.com
- Another wish: it would be very nice if I could set a label (while I´m
composing a message) for the sent message. For instance, when I´m
composing/forwarding a mail I could set his label to ToDo or Pending. When
I send the message it goes to the Sent view, but also to the ToDo (or
Pending) view. So I don´t forget the pending subject.
I´m trying to apply the David Allen´s GTD - "Getting Things Done"
methodology. ;)
YinYanger
escreveu:
> Em Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:38:49 -0300, Tim Altman <do....@spam.me.invalid>
> escreveu:
>
>> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>>> know if it's worth it.
>>
>> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
>> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>>
>> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
>> 2) Rich text composition
>>
>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>>
>
> Here we go!
>
- Data base solution/approach (as in M2) for bookmarks, notes and contacts!
I often would wish to put the same bookmark/note into several folders (of
interest) or to put the same contact into several folders (mailing lists).
Just copy the same bookmark/note/contact into the several folders isn´t a
good solution. What about when I need to change something? :(
Also, bookmarks and notes are a bit overlayed, as both can save URLs and
text/comments. Often I have to search info in both of them. :(
- A way to get rid of additional mail addresses that aren´t valid anymore.
Today, I must keep a no more valid address in the additional mails
addresses field just to not lose the mails To/From that contact address!
And remember that it´s not valid for use!
A solution for the 2 above:
Looking into the bookmarks/notes/contacts.adr files, I saw that each
bookmark/note/contact has an ID number.
This ID number could be used to link the contact and their messages
(instead of the contact´s adresses) and to link the same
bookmark/note/contact into infinite views/access points/virtual folders!
- Unlimited number of labels
- Be enabled to use labels also for bookmarks, notes and contacts!
- When typing a mail address, please add to the autocomplete drop list an
item with ALL the addresses of the contact, after the items with each
address of the contact.
I mean, when I type "mary", the drop list could be:
"Mary Ann" <(main address)>
"Mary Ann" <(additional address 1)>
"Mary Ann" <(additional address 2)>
"Mary Ann" <(main address)>,<(additional address 1)>,<(additional
address 2)>
I could like to send a mail to ALL the Mary´s mail addresses.
- A GUI way to set the Columns Order on M2
See http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=17571
- A better (GUI) way to reindex all the messages (instead of deleting the
lexicon folder in the Opera mail folder).
- Calendars integrated with mails (for instance, mails becoming calendar
events)
- Be enabled to link the same calendar into infinite views/access
points/virtual folders
- Be enabled to share calendars
Maybe, my wishes are a bit off the focus for an internet suite as Opera.
But, to me, every day, Opera is becoming more and more my only PIM
(Personal Information Manager)! And which I can to carry on a USB-Stick /
USB Flashdrive (http://www.opera-usb.com/operausben.htm)!
I´ve found a free, open source, cross platform, project called "Chandler,
a next-generation Personal Information Manager (PIM) integrating calendar,
e-mail, contact management, task management, notes, and instant messaging".
It is in a early stage, but I´ve got very excited about it!
It would be the one software (by now) to make me forsake M2.
As I can see, Opera already have done 75% (or more) of the Chandler goals.
http://chandler.osafoundation.org
See the Chandler Vision page, at
http://chandler.osafoundation.org/1.0_vision.php
and the Chandler Philosophy page, at
http://chandler.osafoundation.org/philosophy.php (with some very good
PowerPoint presentations).
YinYanger
escreveu:
> Em Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:38:49 -0300, Tim Altman <do....@spam.me.invalid>
> escreveu:
>
>> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>>> know if it's worth it.
>>
>> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
>> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>>
>> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
>> 2) Rich text composition
>>
>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>>
>
> Here we go!
>
> Please! Fix the bugs related to contacts with additional addresses! More
> info at <URL: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1132775
>> and <URL: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1472594 >
>
> These are the subjects of my own posts on the opera.wishlist:
> - A special icon for messages which have several attachments of
> different types
> - More labels and more than just one label for the same message
> - A drop down menu for the "News" and "Follow Up" buttons in the compose
> window, with the available NGs
> - Contacts file name on opera:about
> - (if no Rich text composition) Header and footer images in a mail (for
> Logo and signature)
I“ve found a very good explanation about how Opera could have a light HTML
mail composition:
http://www.scss.com.au/family/andrew/opera/htmlemail/
Count me on!!! :)
>
> These are the subjects of my own posts on the opera.mail+news:
> Marking old mails as Spam ("Filter existing messages" in the Spam access
> point properties don“t works)
>
--
YinY@nger
Usando o M2, revolucionįrio cliente de e-mail do Opera:
http://www.opera.com/m2/
Camus SoNiCo
wrote:
Great article. I think the idea of a very minimal html composer is an
excellent solution, since what we really need from html is a minimal set
of its funcionality.
+1
>>
>> These are the subjects of my own posts on the opera.mail+news:
>> Marking old mails as Spam ("Filter existing messages" in the Spam
>> access point properties don´t works)
>>
>
>
>
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Paul Weiss
wrote:
What I'd really like to see is the ability to _forward_ HTML emails
reliably.
-P
YinYanger
escreveu:
>>> On 3 Oct 2006 05:16:03 -0700, spamfilt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought about writing some wishes about the mail client, but i don't
>>>> know if it's worth it.
>>>
>>> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
>>> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>>>
>>> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
>>> 2) Rich text composition
>>>
>>> What other features are you interested in seeing in Opera Mail?
>>>
>>
>> Here we go!
>>
>
> I´ve found a very good explanation about how Opera could have a light
> HTML mail composition:
> http://www.scss.com.au/family/andrew/opera/htmlemail/
>
> Count me on!!! :)
>
Another approach could be to improve the Opera's mail rendering engine. It
already renders URLs as links and text smilies as skin images. It could
also render, e.g., *text* as bold, etc.
I've found the perfect spec for this approach: easy-to-read,
easy-to-write, compatible with email clients that are only capable of
displaying plain-text emails and (IMHO) with lesser impact in the size of
messages than HTML mails!!!
Enter Minki (formerly known as TPWiki) :
http://minki.theprawn.com/?&page=syntax&export=html !!!
It supports:
Headers
horizontal rules
Bold Text (*text*)
Underlined Text (_text_)
Italicized Text (/text/)
Deleted (strike-through) Text (-text-)
URL's
Named Hyperlinks
Targets
Images
Text Color
Paragraphs
Quoted Text
Lists (Unordered, Ordered, Nested lists may mix types)
Tables ( |pipes|as|delimiter|, with color support )
Preformatted Text (with color support)
Preformatted+ Text (with color support)
While users of other email clients would read just plain text, Opera users
would read beauty text!!! ;)
Other options:
Textile - http://textism.com/tools/textile/
Markdown - http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lightweight_markup_languages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_markup_languages
--
YinY@nger
Usando o M2, revolucionário cliente de e-mail do Opera:
http://www.opera.com/m2/
YinYanger
escreveu:
>>> It is. We're very interested in what our users want out of Opera
>>> Mail. For what it's worth, the top requests are:
>>>
>>> 1) Encryption support (PGP/GPG/SMIME)
>>> 2) Rich text composition
>>>
[...]
>
> I´ve found a very good explanation about how Opera could have a light
> HTML mail composition:
> http://www.scss.com.au/family/andrew/opera/htmlemail/
>
What about using a TextArea Editor into the composer?
TinyMCE -> http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example.php?example=true
SPAW Editor ->
http://www.solmetra.com/en/disp.php/en_products/en_spaw/en_spaw_demo
List of WYSIWYG rich text web editors:
http://www.geniisoft.com/showcase.nsf/WebEditors
More info at http://operawiki.info/TextAreaEditor
--
YinY@nger
Usando o M2, revolucionário cliente de e-mail do Opera:
http://www.opera.com/m2/
YinYanger
Just renewing these wishes, as it would be great for use with the David
Allen´s GTD ("Getting Things Done") methodology!
For instance, I would use custom Filters (formerly Access Points) for
Projects. And labels for contexts (@Home, @Office, @Telephone, @Computer,
@WaitingFor, etc.). This way, I could access messages by Project and/or by
Context...
Best regards!
Em Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:01:26 -0200, YinYanger <yiny...@nowhere.org>
escreveu: