new user questions
Sue Sims
>>>>...start Opera with a blank page?
...
>This is all a little aggravating when a simple "Start with a blank
>page" would solve the problem.
[fx: Sue making notes]
>HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
Yes?
>HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
Hello.
>HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
I'm listening, and taking notes...
>HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
Why are you shouting?
>I really get pissed off with companies that leave the support
>essentially to other users.
Horses for courses. I get upset when people jump to erroneous
conclusions and feel it imperative to shout those conclusions, with
vocabulary sufficiently impaired as to require descriptive phrases
invoking bodily functions. YMMV.
>Opera also appears to not use a standard HTML address for the local
>pages.
Opera uses the scheme referenced in RFC 1738. (1)
>It seems to work within Operas, but our web page generating
>software, Visual Page (v2.00 Symantec) cannot handle Opera's links. We
>cannot "Copy document address" and transfer it to our web site
>development software without first tweaking it back to the real world.
That's a shame. I know how difficult it can be to use software which
doesn't conform to published interworking specifications. I used to
use Netscape.
>Netscape and the rest of the HTML world expect...
>file:///C|/Opera/Help/markting.htm
>The above works fine
>Opera gives us...
>file://localhost/C:/Opera/Help/markting.htm
>This comes back with a message saying the URL could not be found.
In *your* software, perhaps. Netscape, Internet Explorer, Mozilla M13
and Opera all render this example:
<a
href="file://localhost/d:/HomeSite2/sue-sims/opera/bugs/a-bug.html">local
file test</a>
>I think I read of somone else lamenting this a little time back. Seems
>no response from Opera though other than to say it works. Well it
>might in Opera but not in our web deveolper.
Often dropping a note pointing out deficiencies to the software vendor
is sufficient to inspire correction. You might want to suggest
Symantek read this document:
<url:http://info.internet.isi.edu:80/in-notes/rfc/files/rfc1738.txt>
HTH HAND
(1) "As a special case, <host> can be the string "localhost" or the
empty string; this is interpreted as `the machine from which the URL
is being interpreted'. The file URL scheme is unusual in that it does
not specify an Internet protocol or access method for such files; as
such, its utility in network protocols between hosts is limited."
--
Sue Sims
[disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own, and should not
be deemed to represent the opinons of Opera Software A/S,
or anyone else in the world, for that matter.]
Phil Burns
"C:\Program Files\Opera\Opera.exe" /nowin
Phil
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Windows 98 v4.10.1998
98lite STANDARD Edition 2.0.6
Opera 3.62.0.320. Opwic v 1.06
486 DX2/66. 28MB RAM. 500MB HD.
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Ford
>
> This is all a little aggravating when a simple "Start with a blank
> page" would solve the problem.
The reason there is not a "Start with blank page" option is because
Opera gives the user so much more flexiblity in choosing which pages to
start with and when. You can configure a set of pages to start up with,
which many people do, or you can save all the windows you have loaded
when you exit on the fly, etc.
The simplest way to start with a blank page is to open Opera, open a new
blank page, exit Opera, click the save windows option. Open Opera again,
exit Opera, uncheck the save windows option, or do it the next time you
exit the program.
>
> HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
> HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
> HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
> HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
>
> I really get pissed off with companies that leave the support
> essentially to other users.
This, like most company-affiliated news servers, is a user-to-user
support forum. Occasionally, OS staff drop in, but for support from OS,
email them.
--
Ford
Dave Johnson
>>In article <cforasslodt784t2l...@4ax.com>, you say...
>>>
>>> This is all a little aggravating when a simple "Start with a blank
>>> page" would solve the problem.
>>
>>The reason there is not a "Start with blank page" option is because
>>Opera gives the user so much more flexiblity in choosing which pages to
>>start with and when. You can configure a set of pages to start up with,
>>which many people do, or you can save all the windows you have loaded
>>when you exit on the fly, etc.
>>
>>The simplest way to start with a blank page is to open Opera, open a new
>>
>>blank page, exit Opera, click the save windows option. Open Opera again,
>>
>>exit Opera, uncheck the save windows option, or do it the next time you
>>exit the program.
Noooooo, "Start with blank page" is a convenience to the user. I have
to spend 2 minutes doing your process in order to start with a blank
page????
Who is it goint to hurt by having that option and how long would it
take to instatiate it into the software? About 2 minutes is my guess.
Are these people trying for the Microsoft-do-it-my-way-or-the-highway
award for excellence???
So far I like Opera but...
--
Dave Johnson
VP, Team R&D
Nolan Innovation Inc.
Dave Johnson
wrote:
>>You could just start with no pages, In the shotcut properties
>>"C:\Program Files\Opera\Opera.exe" /nowin
>>
Thanks Phil,
I tried but still get the Opera help page first. I suspect that will
go away when/if I pay my money.
No-one addressed the jaggy scrolling problem in my original post. Any
takers????
Phil Burns
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:59:51 GMT, phil...@esatclear.ie (Phil Burns)
> wrote:
>
> >>You could just start with no pages, In the shotcut properties
> >>"C:\Program Files\Opera\Opera.exe" /nowin
> >>
> Thanks Phil,
>
> I tried but still get the Opera help page first. I suspect that will
> go away when/if I pay my money.
AFAIK you only get the help file like that when you're 30 day trial is up.
If that is the case it will go away if you register.
Unless you at one point saved your settings with the help window open?
Umm, I never tried that. But I do remember the /nowin option works fine
even if you aren't registered.
>
> No-one addressed the jaggy scrolling problem in my original post. Any
> takers????
Sorry, never seen the 'jaggy' scrolling.
Dave Johnson
>>>This is all a little aggravating when a simple "Start with a blank
>>>page" would solve the problem.
>>
>>Why are you shouting?
Frustration with the obfuscation and seeming indifference to my
questions.
>>
>>Horses for courses. I get upset when people jump to erroneous
Erroneous?? Scuse me for living, but I searched and could not find a
"start with blank page" I now find that if I jump through hoops making
blank pages and stopping and starting Opera it can be done. Seems a
hell of an effort for something as simple as a checkbox and a single
line of code????
if cbStartWithBlankPage.Checked then TChild.Create(Self) else
go look at the other options
>>Opera uses the scheme referenced in RFC 1738. (1)
Gee Mommy, I did it the right way but all the other kids laughed at me
because they do it the way everyone else is doing it. That's alright
honey, at least *you* know you did it right. <sigh>
Or another...
Look honey, there's daddy marching with all the other soldiers, and
look, daddy's the only one marching in-step.
>>That's a shame. I know how difficult it can be to use software which
>>doesn't conform to published interworking specifications. I used to
>>use Netscape.
The corollary is... How difficult it is to use software that does
conform to a spec that is rarely used by anyone else. Because it is a
specification it doesn't mean it's the only or best way. If 90% of the
world is doing it different to the spec, it behooves the developer to
offer both. How did the Netscape/Microsoft copy/chase/copy come about
with their browsers?
If Netscape had said "we do it to spec" where would they be today???
>>That's a shame. I know how difficult...
Not sure who it was that said it but "sarcasm is the lowest form of
wit" seems to be close to the mark here.
>>Often dropping a note pointing out deficiencies to the software vendor
Tried to find an email address on the site, zippo. I had to
reconfigure my news reader to get this newsgroup then find a response
from someone with the company name in their tag line and email them.
All I got in response to that was "go check the newsgroups" Geee, what
customer service. However a consistent pattern is forming here.
I did actually email some of the non-autoresponder addresses shown on
the site but they all got ignored. They didn't bounce do I assume they
were all read and said "this is not my problem" and trashed them
rather than forwarding or replying with an address where I could talk
to someone. It takes a bit to make me shout, but we went beyond that
point a few days back. I keep thinking you are after that Microsoft
award.
Regarding my original-original posting, no-one has touched on the
jaggy scrolling? Any takers? Dare I say it but it too is a checkbox
issue. cbScrollThumbUpdate:=False will turn it off and only display
the page *after* the thumb button as been dragged and the mouse
released. Oh, I forgot we don't do checkboxes we didn't think of.
Finally.
>>>HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
>>Hello.
From this I take it you *are* from Opera? Unless my news reader
dropped it after taking lessons from your site on how to make things
hard for me, there was no signature or tag line so how am I to know??
Thank you for your time and despite all of this our company will
probably go with Opera for a variety of other reasons, quaint support
not withstanding. The support is no better than Netscape or Microsoft
so we wont be any worse off, and the product does perform better after
a few hoop-jumping lessons.
Dave Johnson
wrote:
>>> >>You could just start with no pages, In the shotcut properties
>>> >>"C:\Program Files\Opera\Opera.exe" /nowin
>>> >>
>>AFAIK you only get the help file like that when you're 30 day trial is up.
>>If that is the case it will go away if you register.
Nope, it says 28 days to go. No matter what options I set I stll get
the help page first.
>>
>>Sorry, never seen the 'jaggy' scrolling.
>>
It happens on long docuemtns when you grab the thumb slide on the
vertical scroll bar and drag it down fast it gets very visually
confused.
As a brute-force approach, there is a API swich to turn the scrolling
off until the button is released that overcomes the problem. Dare I
say it but we need another option for "Active scrolling" on or off.
I use a 133M Pentium with a C&T65554 PCI graphics card with 2M so it
is no slouch, and the scrolling problem does not occur with any other
software.
harvey
>
> Dave Johnson
> VP, Team R&D
> Nolan Innovation Inc.
>
Sorry, Dave -- you sound to me like a spoiled little brat who's been given --
or given himself -- a VP title; jumps to conclusions and posts a
poorly-thought-through (and ill-mannered) comment; then screams blue murder
when someone points this out.
Grow up.
HVS, England
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Sue Sims
...
>Regarding my original-original posting, no-one has touched on the
>jaggy scrolling? Any takers?
My suggestion would be to wait to purchase until Opera 4 is released.
It includes an option for 'smooth scrolling' which was included
because our users requested it. That release will also address some of
the other concerns you have expressed.
>Finally.
>>>>HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
>>>Hello.
>From this I take it you *are* from Opera? Unless my news reader
>dropped it after taking lessons from your site on how to make things
>hard for me, there was no signature or tag line so how am I to know??
The e-mail address might have provided a clue, or perhaps the
disclaimer, or perhaps scanning other newsgroup postings. Perhaps your
newsreader did drop it, so here's a copy:
<blockquote>
--
Sue Sims
[disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own, and should not
be deemed to represent the opinions of Opera Software A/S,
or anyone else in the world, for that matter.]
</blockquote>
I always add that when I think my opinion will be perceived as
impolite, in the hopes that it will not reflect badly on the company.
I rather like my job, and would prefer to keep it.
>Thank you for your time and despite all of this our company will
>probably go with Opera for a variety of other reasons, quaint support
>not withstanding. The support is no better than Netscape or Microsoft
>so we wont be any worse off, and the product does perform better after
>a few hoop-jumping lessons.
If you've found the support at Microsoft and Netscape to be better
than Opera's, I really am surprised. It's the case with me that I have
to appeal to an individual known to me to get an answer to a technical
question.
Might I suggest that you mail me directly with additional problems you
might encounter? I don't have all the answers (which is why I take
notes), but I can refer them to those who *do* have the answers.
--
Sue Sims
[disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own, and should not
be deemed to represent the opinions of Opera Software A/S,
Dave Johnson
big snip as I unbuckle the Proban suit...
>>>not withstanding. The support is no better than Netscape or Microsoft
>>
>>If you've found the support at Microsoft and Netscape to be better
>>than Opera's,
Er, read that again, I would never say either of the above-named had
better support than anyone. :-O
"The support is **no** better"
Dig Dug
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:32:56 -0500, Sue Sims <s...@opera.com> wrote:
>
>If Netscape had said "we do it to spec" where would they be today???
I would predict that if Netscape complied with the W3C specs, they'd
still be the most common browser today, instead of being an HTML
programmer's annoyance (I use the term programmer loosely in this
case.) Microsoft kept implementing new W3C specs (staying somewhat
close to the specs) while Netscape seemed to sit around and twiddle
their thumbs. Yes, Microsoft does have a lot more resources, and
Microsoft didn't win by product quality alone, but Netscape had its
lead, and could've used it to their advantage. Instead of implementing
proprietory extensions, they should've used those resources on
implementing a better rendering engine and adding CSS and DHTML
support. If I were to pick a browser (today) solely by the rendering
engine's quiality, I'd definitely pick MSIE. Mozilla does look
promising though, as does Opera 4.
Sorry for the rant... :)
--
http://altern.org/digdug/
Current Opman version: 0.5 (02/06/2000)
Dave Johnson
<digcanne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>support. If I were to pick a browser (today) solely by the rendering
>>engine's quiality, I'd definitely pick MSIE. Mozilla does look
>>promising though, as does Opera 4.
>>
>>Sorry for the rant... :)
I liked it and agree, and will give Opera 4 a try as this cache thing
drives me nuts when it happens which to be fair is only about once a
week or so.
ericm...@gmail.com
> ...re:
> >>>>...start Opera with a blank page?
> ...
> >page" would solve the problem.
>
> >HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
>
> >HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
>
> Hello.
>
> >HELLO HELLO, ANYONE THERE FROM OPERA????????????
>
>
>
> >I really get pissed off with companies that leave the support
> >essentially to other users.
>
> vocabulary sufficiently impaired as to require descriptive phrases
> invoking bodily functions. YMMV.
>
> >Opera also appears to not use a standard HTML address for the local
> >pages.
>
>
> >software, Visual Page (v2.00 Symantec) cannot handle Opera's links. We
> >cannot "Copy document address" and transfer it to our web site
> >development software without first tweaking it back to the real world.
>
> doesn't conform to published interworking specifications. I used to
> use Netscape.
>
> >file:///C|/Opera/Help/markting.htm
> >The above works fine
>
> >Opera gives us...
> >file://localhost/C:/Opera/Help/markting.htm
> >This comes back with a message saying the URL could not be found.
>
> In *your* software, perhaps. Netscape, Internet Explorer, Mozilla M13
> and Opera all render this example:
>
> <a
> href="file://localhost/d:/HomeSite2/sue-sims/opera/bugs/a-bug.html">local
> file test</a>
>
> >I think I read of somone else lamenting this a little time back. Seems
> >no response from Opera though other than to say it works. Well it
> >might in Opera but not in our web deveolper.
>
> Symantek read this document:
> <url:http://info.internet.isi.edu:80/in-notes/rfc/files/rfc1738.txt>
>
> HTH HAND
>
> (1) "As a special case, <host> can be the string "localhost" or the
> empty string; this is interpreted as `the machine from which the URL
> is being interpreted'. The file URL scheme is unusual in that it does
> not specify an Internet protocol or access method for such files; as
> such, its utility in network protocols between hosts is limited."
> Sue Sims
> [disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own, and should not
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