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Dizzy

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Mar 7, 2010, 4:02:02 AM3/7/10
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Hi,

I have noticed, that in 10.50 I can disable or enable only all plugins at
once (F12), java has its checkbox no longer. Is there a way to enable or
disable specific plugins?

Thank you.

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Sprint

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Mar 7, 2010, 5:59:35 AM3/7/10
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Isn't Javascript what you want to disable? Its Alt_T_Q_J and that's the
same for enabling or disabling (easier to remember). Its very fast to
type. Unlike Alt_F4....:)

Dizzy

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Mar 7, 2010, 11:37:18 AM3/7/10
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:59:35 +0100, Sprint
<reply.to.g...@and.thankyou> wrote:

> Isn't Javascript what you want to disable? Its Alt_T_Q_J and that's the
> same for enabling or disabling (easier to remember). Its very fast to
> type. Unlike Alt_F4....:)

Nope, I really wanted to disable java :-) But I already found
opera:config#Java ;-)

Sprint

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Mar 7, 2010, 5:38:25 PM3/7/10
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>> Isn't Javascript what you want to disable? Its Alt_T_Q_J and that's
>> the same for enabling or disabling (easier to remember). Its very fast
>> to type. Unlike Alt_F4....:)
>
> Nope, I really wanted to disable java :-) But I already found
> opera:config#Java ;-)

Wouldn't Alt_T_Q_A be a tad bit faster?

Dizzy

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Mar 8, 2010, 2:18:28 AM3/8/10
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:38:25 +0100, Sprint
<reply.to.g...@and.thankyou> wrote:

> Wouldn't Alt_T_Q_A be a tad bit faster?

No, it wouldn't ;-)

1. this would disable all plugins, no just java, and I just want to keep
java disabled, because java can spill more personal info than I'd like,
but I have to keep flash, because majority of the sites don't work without
it.
2. F12+A is probalby faster :-)
3. Alt_T_Q_A works only when opera orb is hidden.

Rijk van Geijtenbeek

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Mar 22, 2010, 6:26:08 AM3/22/10
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Op Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:18:28 +0100 schreef Dizzy <di...@example.com>:

> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:38:25 +0100, Sprint
> <reply.to.g...@and.thankyou> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't Alt_T_Q_A be a tad bit faster?
>
> No, it wouldn't ;-)
>
> 1. this would disable all plugins, no just java, and I just want to keep
> java disabled, because java can spill more personal info than I'd like,
> but I have to keep flash, because majority of the sites don't work
> without it.

I don't think there's much difference in what Java and Flash can do? Both
are security holes waiting to happen - though they show warning dialogs
before accessing your system. Java starting up the first time in a session
is annoyingly slow though (always has been for me).

> 2. F12+A is probalby faster :-)
> 3. Alt_T_Q_A works only when opera orb is hidden.

Java is now handled as a plug-in in Opera 10.5, so it doesn't have its own
setting anymore. There's still an opera:config entry, but that doesn't do
anything in 10.50. You could use the file plugin-ignore.ini to disable
individual plug-ins. For the most recent Java versions, add this on a new
line to the list in plugin-ignore.ini:

npjp2.dll


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Dizzy

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Mar 22, 2010, 4:03:17 PM3/22/10
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:26:08 +0100, Rijk van Geijtenbeek
<ri...@opera.removethiz.com> wrote:

> I don't think there's much difference in what Java and Flash can do?
> Both are security holes waiting to happen - though they show warning
> dialogs before accessing your system. Java starting up the first time in
> a session is annoyingly slow though (always has been for me).
>

Hello Rijk and thank you, glad to see you around. I couldn't agree more.
The only difference between java and flash is, that you don't need java on
every other site ;-) I do play games quite a lot and so I check their home
pages, which are nearly all whole in flash :-( That's absolutely stupid,
because gestures don't work and handling and orientation is usually
stupid. I hate flash, but it's needed.

> Java is now handled as a plug-in in Opera 10.5, so it doesn't have its
> own setting anymore. There's still an opera:config entry, but that
> doesn't do anything in 10.50. You could use the file plugin-ignore.ini
> to disable individual plug-ins. For the most recent Java versions, add
> this on a new line to the list in plugin-ignore.ini:
>
> npjp2.dll
>

Thank you for reply. Java really works even when I have it unchecked o.O
The setting there is left as a decoy for whom? :-)

I'd find it handy, if there would be a list of all, or the most common
plugins. Where can I find what does which dll do? Opera sniffs also inside
firefox directory or god know where, so I'd like to ignore all except
those I really need.

And yet one question - when I have some plugin in plugin-ignore.ini, can I
create a site specific setting, where this plugin will be enabled?

Robin Zalek

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Mar 22, 2010, 6:25:51 PM3/22/10
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:03:17 -0000, Dizzy <di...@example.com> wrote:

> I'd find it handy, if there would be a list of all, or the most common
> plugins. Where can I find what does which dll do? Opera sniffs also
> inside firefox directory or god know where, so I'd like to ignore all
> except those I really need.

Opera loads plugins found in the paths listed in opera:about,
and on Windows any plugins defined in the registry here:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MozillaPlugins
and possibly here too (though it seems like most apps write into the local
machine key, and the one entry I have under current user might simply be a
mistake):
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\MozillaPlugins

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Dizzy

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Mar 24, 2010, 4:36:26 PM3/24/10
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:25:51 +0100, Robin Zalek
<bte...@spammygoodness.gmail.com> wrote:

> Opera loads plugins found in the paths listed in opera:about,
> and on Windows any plugins defined in the registry here:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MozillaPlugins
> and possibly here too (though it seems like most apps write into the
> local machine key, and the one entry I have under current user might
> simply be a mistake):
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\MozillaPlugins

Thank you. Very helpful.

billyrferrell

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Apr 6, 2010, 12:03:39 AM4/6/10
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On Toolbar
Click Tools
Go to Preferences...
Click on Advanced
Click on Content
Click on JavaScript Options....

Now for java If running Windows 95, 98, or ME
Go to Start >> Settings >>>
click on Control Panel
Click on JAVA
Click on Advanced
Click on <APPLET> tag support
Uncheck Mozilla family
Apply
OK

Now for java If running Windows 2000 and up to XP sp3
Go to Control Panel
Click on JAVA
Click on Advanced
Click on Default Java for browsers
Uncheck Mozilla family
Click on Java Plug-in
Uncheck Enable the next-generation Java Plug-in (requires browser restart)
Apply
OK


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Sprint

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Apr 6, 2010, 9:15:12 AM4/6/10
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What's the point of disabling Java? I've found that its Javascript that
messes and slows everything up. Java doesn't seem to make any difference
to the speed or ease of loading of web pages. Using Ebay without
Javascript is a total dream. Things load in a fifth of the time. When
you want to change anything in searching just use Advanced Search to do
it. You can bet Ebay is going to squeeze out Advanced Search as it gives
too much control to the user. Hopefully it won't happen for a while.
Quickest way I've found: Alt_T_Q_J. Takes less than a second to
de-activate and activate.

Glen

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Apr 6, 2010, 9:50:07 AM4/6/10
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"Sprint" <reply.to.g...@and.thankyou> wrote in message
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There isn't a point to disabling Java, that I can see. If one doesn't
require Java functions on pages that use it (like a lot of online games
such as from Pogo) then just uninstall Java.

As you stated, it is Javascript (which is totally unrelated to Java)
that not only can cause the issues you describe, but is often used to
run malware from web pages to infect a system.

There's been a shift in how malware infects a system while
online...rather than using security holes in a particular browser, the
malware writers are using vulnerabilities in the most popular plug-ins
for all browsers. Those right now are both owned by Adobe: Flash and
Acrobat Reader. If installed, Flash should be kept updated, and if
possible use a Flash blocker that you can toggle so it is only active
when you want it to be....such as when watching a Flash video (YouTube,
etc).

In Adobe Acrobat Reader, one should go to its Edit menu> Preferences>
Javascript, and UNCHECK "Enable Acrobat Javascript". That closes one of
their bigger potential holes.

I personally do not let Acrobat plug-in open PDF files within the
browser. I have it download into the cache and open with the external
reader (Adobe Reader). This closes another potential hole that has in
the past been exploited when opening within the browser.

Edit menu> Preferences> Internet, UNCHECK "Display pdf in browser"

My two cents...... ;-)

...glen

Eik

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Apr 6, 2010, 10:16:44 AM4/6/10
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:15:12 +0100, Sprint
<reply.to.g...@and.thankyou> wrote:

> What's the point of disabling Java?

Some people don't want Java applets running in their browser, or only ant
to allow them to run on pages they trust.


> I've found that its Javascript that messes and slows everything up.
> Java doesn't seem to make any difference to the speed or ease of loading
> of web pages.

Since the two have nothing to do with each other, you might as well be
comparing Java and CSS. If a web page doesn't contain any Javascript or
CSS or Flash (plugins), then disabling those features isn't going to speed
up the web pages either. Obviously, disabling Java is only going to affect
pages that contain Java applets, and considerably fewer use Java these
days than Javascript, CSS or Flash.


> Using Ebay without Javascript is a total dream. Things load in a fifth
> of the time.

Again, this has nothing to do with Java.


> Quickest way I've found: Alt_T_Q_J. Takes less than a second to
> de-activate and activate.

Or F12 and whatever key for Javascript. On my keyboard setup, the J key
toggles Javascript on and off. Other than site preferences to automate
things, it doesn't get much quicker than that.

Glen

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Apr 7, 2010, 9:14:09 AM4/7/10
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"Glen" <glen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hpfe6c$2u0$1...@news.opera.com...

>
> There isn't a point to disabling Java, that I can see. If one doesn't
> require Java functions on pages that use it (like a lot of online
> games such as from Pogo) then just uninstall Java.
>
> As you stated, it is Javascript (which is totally unrelated to Java)
> that not only can cause the issues you describe, but is often used to
> run malware from web pages to infect a system.
>
> There's been a shift in how malware infects a system while
> online...rather than using security holes in a particular browser, the
> malware writers are using vulnerabilities in the most popular plug-ins
> for all browsers. Those right now are both owned by Adobe: Flash and
> Acrobat Reader. If installed, Flash should be kept updated, and if
> possible use a Flash blocker that you can toggle so it is only active
> when you want it to be....such as when watching a Flash video
> (YouTube, etc).
>
> In Adobe Acrobat Reader, one should go to its Edit menu> Preferences>
> Javascript, and UNCHECK "Enable Acrobat Javascript". That closes one
> of their bigger potential holes.
>
> I personally do not let Acrobat plug-in open PDF files within the
> browser. I have it download into the cache and open with the external
> reader (Adobe Reader). This closes another potential hole that has in
> the past been exploited when opening within the browser.
>
> Edit menu> Preferences> Internet, UNCHECK "Display pdf in browser"
>
> My two cents...... ;-)
>


....and here's another Adobe Reader setting that needs changing to head
off yet another exploit in PDF files:

Edit menu> Preferences> Categories > Trust Manager > PDF File
Attachments
Remove the check from the box for "Allow opening of non-PDF file
attachments with external applications."

Malicious PDFs Execute Code Without a Vulnerability - Security Watch:
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2010/03/malicious_pdfs_execute_code_wi.php

Safety From PDF Exploits? It's Not Found In Foxit | Revelations From An
Unwashed Brain:
http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2010/04/06/safety-from-pdf-exploits-its-not-found-in-foxit/

...glen

sprockets

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Apr 7, 2010, 8:58:32 PM4/7/10
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Thanks Glen, I just unchecked that box too in my Adobe Reader 9.3.0, I
wondered what that was earlier when I went thru the settings and to change
so PDF's open with it(adobe) and not in the Browser, works better like
that.

sprockets
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sprockets

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Apr 8, 2010, 5:44:21 PM4/8/10
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:58:32 -0500, sprockets <rftvhf...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

You think more people would have responded, this looks like a bad one for
Adobe, and I turned off that Adobe Javascript too.

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