spam
pb
Despite months of similar spam (e.g., 143K in size, again and
again), OM doesn't filter even the most obvious garbage at the
server level. Thus, my box nearly fills up every day with junk,
making it almost unusable.
Making matters worse, I often have to wade through OM's own
advertisement page to get to the list of new spam.
Sorry, guys, but I feel zero inducement to pay for premium
service.
p.
Anthony R Garner Jr
if there are problems getting my mail to me in a timely manner, but no
problems with spam.
Anthony
> P.
Geoff
news:bpr19c$bt8$1...@mx1.opera.com:
> pb wrote:
>> I'm down to one Operamail account, and even that is a pain.
>>
>> Despite months of similar spam (e.g., 143K in size, again and
>> again), OM doesn't filter even the most obvious garbage at the
>> server level. Thus, my box nearly fills up every day with junk,
>> making it almost unusable.
>>
>> Making matters worse, I often have to wade through OM's own
>> advertisement page to get to the list of new spam.
>>
>> Sorry, guys, but I feel zero inducement to pay for premium
>> service.
>
> I have the Premium Service and have no problems with spam. I do wonder
> if there are problems getting my mail to me in a timely manner, but no
> problems with spam.
Well for one thing it isn't spam, it's the Swen virus (72, 83, 143 or 152KB
messages). Spam has gotten better recently. Maybe because it can't get into
my Swen-stuffed mailbox!
You may have no problems because your address is not readily available on
the Opera newsgroups. PB has not munged his address, and I used to use my
real address here. I often get cleaned-up Swen mails which included a
warning from the server that intercepted it... it shows all recipients and
there were always many Opera newsgroup posters listed.
But I agree with PB - the bloody nag screens do more to make me tell
Outblaze/Opera (don't know whose initiative that was) to piss off than
suddenly go "hey, you know what? I think I'll spontaneously buy the premium
service!"
LOL!
--
Geoff
Sorry about the munged address... Swen ruined my online life
pb
> Well for one thing it isn't spam, it's the Swen virus (72, 83, 143 or 152KB
> messages).
156K also is a biggie around here.
> Spam has gotten better recently. Maybe because it can't get into
> my Swen-stuffed mailbox!
Good point.
> You may have no problems because your address is not readily available on
> the Opera newsgroups. PB has not munged his address, and I used to use my
> real address here. I often get cleaned-up Swen mails which included a
> warning from the server that intercepted it... it shows all recipients and
> there were always many Opera newsgroup posters listed.
I don't munge because of the TOS of the free Usenet server I use.
Don't agree with the policy, but I like the service.
But now I'm planning a little creative spam reception. That is,
allow this box to fill up so it will automatically bounce all
spam, and use another box for valid semi-public use. Necessity
births invention once again, eh?
Nevertheless, I think it is patently absurd that OM does not
filter such obvious spam/exploits at the server level. Would save
a lot of bandwidth, let alone user aggravation.
pb
Geoff
news:bp85sv05pvp9iu86u...@4ax.com:
> Geoff wrote:
>
>> Well for one thing it isn't spam, it's the Swen virus (72, 83, 143 or
>> 152KB messages).
>
> 156K also is a biggie around here.
Uh yeah, I got that wrong (was doing it from memory).
> I don't munge because of the TOS of the free Usenet server I use.
> Don't agree with the policy, but I like the service.
But you could use anything you want on the Opera server...
> But now I'm planning a little creative spam reception. That is,
> allow this box to fill up so it will automatically bounce all
> spam, and use another box for valid semi-public use. Necessity
> births invention once again, eh?
Not sure how this solves the problem - is it access to an SMTP server that
requires a valid address? In this case, I suppose you're saying you'll
state pb_public as your newsgroup mail address but give out a munged "real"
address in your signature or something, right?
> Nevertheless, I think it is patently absurd that OM does not
> filter such obvious spam/exploits at the server level. Would save
> a lot of bandwidth, let alone user aggravation.
I've said that here many times already. To me, it seems to be better for
Outblaze, not just us! Wouldn't surprise me if all these problems with slow
/ broken access the last couple of months isn't down to millions of virus
mails flying around the Outblaze servers and bringing down their customers'
accounts.
pb
>> I don't munge because of the TOS of the free Usenet server I use.
>> Don't agree with the policy, but I like the service.
>
> But you could use anything you want on the Opera server...
But as I said, I like the server I use. I like having one server
for all my usenet work.
>> But now I'm planning a little creative spam reception. That is,
>> allow this box to fill up so it will automatically bounce all
>> spam, and use another box for valid semi-public use. Necessity
>> births invention once again, eh?
>
> Not sure how this solves the problem - is it access to an SMTP server that
> requires a valid address? In this case, I suppose you're saying you'll
> state pb_public as your newsgroup mail address but give out a munged "real"
> address in your signature or something, right?
SMTP is not a factor, as the usenet server is dedicated third
party, separate from mail. So as long as I don't use this addy
for any valid public work, it doesn't matter if it clogs up, and
that indeed could be used to advantage in thwarting spam (I'll
actually be helping Outblaze in that sense, eh? A refusal notice
is a lot easier than receiving 156K of malware. But in reality
they'll be losing a customer).
I generally haven't done usenet-related email, but the solution
you give would seem to work; I've been considering it.
> Wouldn't surprise me if all these problems with slow
> / broken access the last couple of months isn't down to millions of virus
> mails flying around the Outblaze servers and bringing down their customers'
> accounts.
Another good point. Access has not been terribly reliable for
many months, and this has to be a major factor.
However, I've fought too many OM battles over the years, trying
to impart some sense into management. Having expressed my
sentiments directly to them two months ago, only to be told,
incredibly, that they do indeed filter spam, and now having
brought this up here out of sheer frustration, I am on my way to
my own solution.
pb
Geoff
news:e7h6svg0bfb102g8n...@4ax.com:
> Geoff wrote:
>
>>> I don't munge because of the TOS of the free Usenet server I use.
>>> Don't agree with the policy, but I like the service.
>>
>> But you could use anything you want on the Opera server...
>
> But as I said, I like the server I use. I like having one server
> for all my usenet work.
Well, err... okay. I don't see how hard it could be to have a "news at
Opera" title in your mail panel next to your other news server though.
> SMTP is not a factor, as the usenet server is dedicated third
> party, separate from mail.
Well, what I meant here is that I use my local mail server to send my news
postings - there's no need to use a "news" server for that!
So to sum up: I fetch news from news.opera.com, post through my mail server
and use any address I like in my details. I don't see any reason for you to
have to use your own news server, especially when it requires a valid e-
mail address!
pb
>> But as I said, I like the server I use. I like having one server
>> for all my usenet work.
>
> Well, err... okay. I don't see how hard it could be to have a "news at
> Opera" title in your mail panel next to your other news server though.
I use Agent, which to date handles only one news server per
instance. And though I have scripts to auto run multiple
instances, I'd rather not bother.
>> SMTP is not a factor, as the usenet server is dedicated third
>> party, separate from mail.
>
> Well, what I meant here is that I use my local mail server to send my news
> postings - there's no need to use a "news" server for that!
>
> So to sum up: I fetch news from news.opera.com, post through my mail server
> and use any address I like in my details. I don't see any reason for you to
> have to use your own news server, especially when it requires a valid e-
> mail address!
I was referring to the remote server, news.cis.dfn.de. I don't
use my own news server (though my Hamster can do that), and no
mail is involved in the process.
pb
Geoff
news:dvn7sv4bhg3fdfarq...@4ax.com:
> I use Agent, which to date handles only one news server per
> instance. And though I have scripts to auto run multiple
> instances, I'd rather not bother.
I could be a smart-arse here and ask why you're not using Opera to view the
Opera newsgroups! ;-)
>> So to sum up: I fetch news from news.opera.com, post through my mail
>> server and use any address I like in my details. I don't see any
>> reason for you to have to use your own news server, especially when
>> it requires a valid e- mail address!
>
> I was referring to the remote server, news.cis.dfn.de. I don't
> use my own news server (though my Hamster can do that), and no
> mail is involved in the process.
By "your own news server" I meant "the other news server, not Opera's news
server". I never said any mail was involved either! You don't seem to be
understanding me, even though I tried to spell it out as simply as
possible.
So let's try again:
1) You say your server (news.cis.dfn.de) needs a valid mail address, so why
not use a different server?
2) You do not need to use the same server to send and receive news.
3) You can easily set your incoming server as news.opera.com
4) You can easily set your outgoing server to any valid SMTP server! (You
do not need to use a "news" server to post news!)
5) You can fill in any garbage you want in your e-mail address.
Since you want to use Agent for some reason, then I suppose you'll have to
stick with the current situation, but I can't really see why you don't just
use Opera and the Opera server for these groups. (Actually, I have to use
Xnews at home, but that's because Opera crashes with newsgroups on my old
PC!)
pb
> By "your own news server" I meant "the other news server, not Opera's news
> server". I never said any mail was involved either! You don't seem to be
> understanding me, even though I tried to spell it out as simply as
> possible.
You mentioned SMTP. The M there stands for mail.
> So let's try again:
>
> 1) You say your server (news.cis.dfn.de) needs a valid mail address, so why
> not use a different server?
This one is free and performs better than my ISP's contractual
server. No binaries, but that's ok.
> 2) You do not need to use the same server to send and receive news.
True, but I like the way CIS immediately shows new posts. And I
like simplicity.
> 3) You can easily set your incoming server as news.opera.com
Back to multiple instances of Agent.
> 4) You can easily set your outgoing server to any valid SMTP server! (You
> do not need to use a "news" server to post news!)
>
> 5) You can fill in any garbage you want in your e-mail address.
>
>
> Since you want to use Agent for some reason, then I suppose you'll have to
> stick with the current situation, but I can't really see why you don't just
> use Opera and the Opera server for these groups.
Don't really care for Opera for news.
> (Actually, I have to use
> Xnews at home, but that's because Opera crashes with newsgroups on my old
> PC!)
Aha. I was wondering about that.
pb
Geoff Morris
>> (Actually, I have to use
>> Xnews at home, but that's because Opera crashes with newsgroups on my
>> old
>> PC!)
>
> Aha. I was wondering about that.
But not here at work! :-)
paul 77
En 23/11/2003 16:20:13, Anthony R Garner Jr
<anth...@nospam.operamail.com> escribió:
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