Opera Press Releases [Feed]
John H Meyers
I've just added several newsfeeds to my formerly feed-less new setup.
I notice that when Opera initially creates these feeds,
it reads in a certain number of the most recent available items.
In all other feeds, those items seem still to be dated
according to when they were originally *created*,
but in the "Opera Press Releases" feed,
every item, going back in the *titles* to April 6, 2006,
appears in the "Sent" column with the date and time
when it was just *read*in* by Opera
(all within the span of two seconds).
This becomes most noticeable (and consequential)
in Feeds > "Read Feeds" [all feeds combined],
where it causes the "Opera Press Releases"
to hog the entire "most recent" page and hide the others,
even when I've attempted to sort *all* the combined feeds by date!
Well, thanks for all the news, but hope you can sort this out better!
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John H Meyers
had every item's date being "now,"
while most other feeds had correct *original* dates]
Something similar has happened with "NY Times" feeds
(e.g. "NYT > Technology"), except that in those feeds,
every single "time" part says "11:00:00 PM"
but the "date" part varies between today and past few days.
Can it be determined whether this is a problem with the
sources of the feeds, vs. a problem with Opera 9 (8502)?
I'm tempted to try to set up 8.54 and compare,
but it's very late, and I'm just too lazy :)
Thanks.
Tim Altman
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:09:27 -0500, "John H Meyers"
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>[My just-subscribed "Opera Press Releases" newsfeed
> had every item's date being "now,"
> while most other feeds had correct *original* dates]
The opera.com newsfeed uses RSS 0.91 and doesn't include a date for
each entry, thus they use the current date and time when they are
received. You can see this for yourself by navigating to the page and
clicking the RSS link in the lower left corner of the page to see the
RSS page source (this won't work if you use the RSS icon in the
address bar). Click No on the dialog asking if you want to add the
feed and view source on the resulting XML mess.
>Something similar has happened with "NY Times" feeds
>(e.g. "NYT > Technology"), except that in those feeds,
>every single "time" part says "11:00:00 PM"
>but the "date" part varies between today and past few days.
>
>Can it be determined whether this is a problem with the
>sources of the feeds, vs. a problem with Opera 9 (8502)?
I'm guessing that the NYT also doesn't include a date header.
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Tim Altman
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John H Meyers
> The opera.com newsfeed uses RSS 0.91
> and doesn't include a date for each entry,
> thus they use the current date and time when they are received.
I see.
> I'm guessing that the New York Times also doesn't include a date header.
To satisfy curiosity, I'll display some examples from the "store"
(in its apparently new format):
Directory of
...\Application Data\Opera\Opera\mail\store\account3\2006\06\27
File:
06/26/2006 09:42p 2,131 1642.mbs
Content:
From Tue Jun 27 02:42:02 2006
From: "Opera Press Releases" <>
Message-ID: <5803a04f698d7b41...@rss.opera.com>
Subject: January 04, 2006: Opera 8.5 now available for Linux-based Devices...
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:42:02 -0500
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/01/04/2/
Directory of
...\Application Data\Opera\Opera\mail\store\account3\2006\06\26
File:
06/26/2006 09:49p 2,248 1724.mbs
Content:
From Mon Jun 26 08:10:55 2006
From: "BBC News | News Front Page | World Edition" <>
Message-ID: <2ffd8f72d591e304...@rss.opera.com>
Subject: Rowling staying mum over Potter
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:10:55 -0500
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/entertainment/5116374.stm
Directory of
...\Application Data\Opera\Opera\mail\store\account3\2006\06\28
File:
06/28/2006 12:19a 2,542 2309.mbs
Content:
From Wed Jun 28 04:00:00 2006
From: "THE ASSOCIATED PRESS" <>
Message-ID: <a2cc58cc80489155...@rss.opera.com>
Subject: Intel to Sell Hand-held Chip Division
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:00:00 -0500
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/technology/28chip.html?ex=1309147200&en=313fceba8bbe0f11&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
So apparently:
o There is a separate "store" folder for every day, in each account.
o Every message (incl. mail&news) is now stored in its own separate file
[fast, but leaves lots of unused "slack space" on disk]
o "Date:" is either source-supplied or when retrieved
(also looks as if converted to user's time zone)
o "From " is converted to GMT from "Date:" (and used for folder).
o "Message-ID:" is always made up by M2.
And finally:
o "BBC News" supplies real date/time stamps.
o "The New York Times" supplies *fabricated* date/time stamps!
(large groups having identical value 00:00:00 in their timezone).
Thank you very much, Tim, for your replies and knowledge.
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Tim Altman
<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:04:45 -0500, Tim Altman wrote:
>
>> The opera.com newsfeed uses RSS 0.91
>> and doesn't include a date for each entry,
>> thus they use the current date and time when they are received.
>
>I see.
>
>> I'm guessing that the New York Times also doesn't include a date header.
>
>To satisfy curiosity, I'll display some examples from the "store"
>(in its apparently new format):
Looking directly at the feed source would be better than looking at
the downloaded messages, as the downloaded messages will have a date
added by Opera if there wasn't one or if Opera had some problem
interpreting it.
[...]
>So apparently:
>
>o There is a separate "store" folder for every day, in each account.
Yes, in Opera 9.
>o Every message (incl. mail&news) is now stored in its own separate file
> [fast, but leaves lots of unused "slack space" on disk]
Yes, in Opera 9.
>o "Date:" is either source-supplied or when retrieved
> (also looks as if converted to user's time zone)
Yes.
>o "From " is converted to GMT from "Date:" (and used for folder).
Yes.
>o "Message-ID:" is always made up by M2.
If none is provided.
[...]
>Thank you very much, Tim, for your replies and knowledge.
You're welcome.