11.64 Rulez

[Tony Yarwood]

C'mon Opera; I've not heard a good word from anybody about 12*

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[Paul Bartlett]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:36:56 -0400, Tony Yarwood
<Tony.Y...@xxxgmail.com> wrote:

>
> C'mon Opera; I've not heard a good word from anybody about 12*
>
> Best regards
>
> Tony

Yes, I agree. And at least some of the people at Opera seem to be overly
sensitive about criticism. From time to time I login to the forums on the
Opera website. If posters make some remarks that are rather critical, some
moderator may lock the topic and delete some of the posts. I speak from
experience. On one topic I suggested that the Opera development team spend
more effort getting O to work with more websites rather than just making
ever more frilly customizations. When I went back a few days later, the
topic had been locked and my post had been deleted, despite the fact that
in no way was the language I used inappropriate, impolite, abusive,
vulgar, or anything else like that. Apparently some of the Opera team just
do not like to be criticized, even though I made clear that I use O
multiple times a day every day and have done so ever since I discovered it
in version 8.

--
Paul Bartlett

[Robert Carnegie]

Is the criticism fair? Opera quietly includes a catalogue of special behaviours
to make specific notable web sites work, that evidently don't want to.

Opera 12 doesn't excite me particularly more than previous editions, and has
found a way to crash my Dell tablet computer unpleasantly often, although I'm
mainly blaming Dell for that and for other problems. (I may have just got
a bad one.)

But... aren't there security issues in Opera only fixed in 12.01?

[Paul Bartlett]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:46:32 -0400, Robert Carnegie
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:

> Is the criticism fair? Opera quietly includes a catalogue of special
> behaviours
> to make specific notable web sites work, that evidently don't want to.

But what are these websites? I don't know them, and why should I have to
know them? Yes, there is an Opera provided Javascript (browser.js, which
has not been updated in over two months for Windows systems, as I have
just checked) that can overcome some of the difficulties, but not all, by
any means. There is a website that is very important to me that I have
struggled and struggled and struggled to get to work satisfactorily with
Opera but which I cannot get to work. It works correctly *instantly* with
Internet Explorer 8. Why? Forget all the fiddly customization options,
Opera team. Just get the browser to work correctly, even with obnoxious
websites that ignore W3 standards (like oh, so many, of those "optimized"
for Internet Explorer). Standards are all well and good, but when the 800
kilogram elephant in the room says "standards be damned" and has an
overwhelming market share of browsers, it is foolish for everyone else to
pretend that the world is other than what it is, standards or no standards.

> [trim]

> But... aren't there security issues in Opera only fixed in 12.01?

As for security issues I cannot say, as I have not been willing to upgrade
to O 12, considering all the complaints that I have read about it. There
have been users who have upgraded to 12 and then have not been able to
downgrade back to 11 and still recover their mail databases without a lot
of fumbling around. This is not appropriate.

(By the way, I happily use Opera 11 every day, multiple times a day,
without problems for email and some newsgroups. It is just the browser
that can be difficult, even though I use it frequently.)

--
Paul Bartlett

[ge...@none.net]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:36:56 +0100
Tony Yarwood <Tony.Y...@XXXgmail.com> wrote:

>
> C'mon Opera; I've not heard a good word from anybody about 12*

12.50 definitely has been getting good words, along with bugs, of
course.

Gene

[Paul Bartlett]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:05:03 -0400, Guy
<Use-Reply-To-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

> Paul Bartlett wrote:
>
>> there is an Opera provided Javascript
>> (browser.js, which has not been updated in over two months
>> for Windows systems, as I have just checked)
>

> The browser.js is cross-platform.
> Last update was five days ago (20 Aug 2012 14:21:51 GMT).

http://www.opera.com/docs/browserjs/

Result displayed (copy and paste):

"
Current browser.js status: enabled.
Target version and time stamp of the active browser.js file is Opera
Desktop 11.62 core 2.10.229, June 11, 2012. Active patches: 217 .
...
Opera automatically checks for updates to Browser JavaScript once every
week. Any updates will be automatically downloaded and applied the next
time a page is loaded in Opera.
"

> I'm going to guess on your User Agent...

Version
11.64
Build
1403

Win XP Pro SP3 / 2GB RAM

--
Paul Bartlett

[Dave Sergeant]

In article <op.wjmgl...@self-d8ab19fef5.dc.dc.cox.net>,
bart...@panix.com says...

> Current browser.js status: enabled.
> Target version and time stamp of the active browser.js file is Opera
> Desktop 11.62 core 2.10.229, June 11, 2012. Active patches: 217 .
> ...
>

Maybe they have stopped updating browser.js for v11? I have been happily
using v12.01 for several weeks now (having sorted out my skin
complatibility issues) and my browser.js is dated 22 August 2012 0647z.
It is most definitely being updated - and if you do a 'check for
updates' (ignoring the suggestion to install 12.01 if you wish) you will
get the latest version.

[Laurent Jumet]

Hello Dave !

Dave Sergeant <d.ser...@o2.co.uk> wrote:

>> Current browser.js status: enabled.
>> Target version and time stamp of the active browser.js file is Opera
>> Desktop 11.62 core 2.10.229, June 11, 2012. Active patches: 217 .

> Maybe they have stopped updating browser.js for v11? I have been happily
> using v12.01 for several weeks now (having sorted out my skin
> complatibility issues) and my browser.js is dated 22 August 2012 0647z.

This is mine:
Target version and time stamp of the active browser.js file is Opera Desktop 11.62 core 2.10.229, August 20, 2012. Active patches: 249

Version 11.64
Build 1403
Platform Win32
System Windows XP

Remember that for me, Opera12 cannot handle the way I watch Flash videos: I start and pause them, and watch them not from the browser but from the cache. This is to strip the ads and all that unwanted stuff, you know what I mean.
From version 12, Opera pretends to pass the Plugin management to a shell, and this doesn't work at all on my system; in some cases CPU is stuffed, in some cases CPU seems idle but everything is freezed (I suppose the video memory conflicts, no matter if I check the hardware box in FlashPlayer or not).

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[Paul Bartlett]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:42:09 -0400, Dave Sergeant <d.ser...@o2.co.uk>
wrote:

A short time ago I did exactly that. I changed the setting as specified on
the Opera webpage and checked for updates, saying no to update to version
12.01, as I do not at this time want to upgrade to v12. (I have read too
many negative comments about it.) Then I closed and re-opened Opera
(11.64). No difference. The Opera browser Javascript webpage says that I
am still on the June 11 version. As you say, it may be that Opera has
stopped updating browser.js for version 11, but I am reluctant at this
time to go to version 12.

--
Paul Bartlett

[Tony Yarwood]

Hi Gene

Well - I've tried 12.00, 12.01, 12.02 and 12.50, they can't seem to
fix the scrolling of web pages with PgUp and PgDn keys (the page
doesn't scroll as much as it used to in Opera 11*).

Pity really; as I did notice that 12.50 uses a lot less CPU.

Best regards

Tony

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