New RealPlayer requires IE to work!
Geoff Morris
RealPlayer 8).
To no surprise, I found that it once again tried to infect my system with
all
sorts of rubbish and provide me with "extra" features... such as an
integrated
web browser (a la FastTrack). Of course, this means that it uses IE DLLs...
most of which I have removed using 98lite (since I want my system to run
FAST
and SMOOTH!).
My greatest surprise though was when I tried to fill in the (obligatory)
registration details... I couldn't! It seems that even filling in a simple
form requires Explorer DLLs and RealOne does not work unless this has been
carried out (so a big "screw you" to anyone who wants to watch Real content
and who isn't online!).
This was the predictable response from Real:
"I apologize for the difficulty you have experienced. I understand that you
are experiencing problem while signing in for RealOne Player.
Please note that it is necessary to install MSIE 5.0x (Internet Explorer) or
higher versions of the browser installed on your system for the RealOne
Player to function properly. RealOne Player uses some components of
Internet
Explorer browser. I suggest you install Internet Explorer browser on your
computer, then install RealOne Player again on your computer to resolve the
problem. Please visit the Microsoft's web site (http://www.microsoft.com) to
download the latest version of the MSIE browser."
To which I told them that I will no longer be using their player.
--
Geoff
Denis Orlov
wrote:
> I did a stupid thing yesterday and decided to try the new RealOne (replaces
> RealPlayer 8).
To be honest, I think that deleting MSIE was a more stupid thing. :) What have you
done it for? To free disk space? Now you can't use it even for tests...
> To which I told them that I will no longer be using their player.
But what did you expect? Real Player's purpose is playing, not browsing. It's quite
understandable that, wanting their program to be able to browse, they use some
MSIE components because every standard Windows system has them. Do you
mean they should have developed their own browser and include it to the player?
This doesn't make sence, IMHO.
Stefan Huber
>To which I told them that I will no longer be using their player.
Which are the alternatives? I have never really used StreamingVideo/Audio,
thus I don't even know any players (besides RealPlayer) or formats or
fileextensions, ... => no good search criteria for Google/Freshmeat/OSDN :)
Stefan
--
Das wars, was ich mit "barockem Programmieren" gemeint habe:
Schnoerkselmaximierung bis der Compiler mit einen ELACHKRAMPF aussteigt.
--- Alexander Talos in at.linux
Whappo
Jernej Simon_i_
>> I did a stupid thing yesterday and decided to try the new RealOne (replaces
>> RealPlayer 8).
>
> To be honest, I think that deleting MSIE was a more stupid thing. :) What have you
> done it for? To free disk space? Now you can't use it even for tests...
Windows 98 works much faster with the old shell... Loading time was
reduced by almost 40% after re-installing with 98lite...
> But what did you expect? Real Player's purpose is playing, not browsing. It's quite
> understandable that, wanting their program to be able to browse, they use some
> MSIE components because every standard Windows system has them. Do you
> mean they should have developed their own browser and include it to the player?
> This doesn't make sence, IMHO.
Why would I want to browse with a *player*? And no, not every standard
Windows system has IE - I still have Win95 4.00.950A on my old lap-top,
and I'll never let IE come near it.
--
Jernej Simoncic, jernej....@guest.arnes.si
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/
ICQ: 26266467
Denis Orlov
you
> > done it for? To free disk space? Now you can't use it even for tests...
>
> Windows 98 works much faster with the old shell... Loading time was
> reduced by almost 40% after re-installing with 98lite...
_Much_ faster? 40%? Well, I didn't know that. I'll try to find out more about this 98lite
but I don't think I will ever use it anyway. :)
> > But what did you expect? Real Player's purpose is playing, not browsing. It's
quite
> > understandable that, wanting their program to be able to browse, they use some
> > MSIE components because every standard Windows system has them. Do you
> > mean they should have developed their own browser and include it to the
player?
> > This doesn't make sence, IMHO.
>
> Why would I want to browse with a *player*?
That's what I am trying to say. There is no reason to develop a special browser for
loading their advertisement and guide windows. Browsing is an auxiliary task for a
player, that's why they use MSIE components.
> And no, not every standard
> Windows system has IE - I still have Win95 4.00.950A on my old lap-top,
> and I'll never let IE come near it.
Okay, I'll better say: _almost_ every standard Windows system has IE. :)
Rob Pitkin
You just don't get it, do you Dennis! . . . . . . . . . . ( or so it seems?)
Previously RealPlayer at least worked without IE and a lot of people use the
current free version or an even older version (i.e. RP2 or earlier?) just for
those sites that have streaming media in ram, rm, or another realmedia format;
like some of the radio stations here in Australia; and some of those stations
don't give you the choice to use anything else un-fortunately.
Some will let you choose between RP & MS MediaPlayer - of which a lot more
of us than MS would like; keep just version 6.4.07 of MP for only this purpose,
we don't want MP7.1 or another bloatware mirror-ball with louzy filing and
archiving systems that may insist on encoding 'your' music in some mis-guided and
deceitful farce about security, which is in fact more about monopolizing media and
artists than most realise.
; 6.4 will run on just about anything without interfering in your business.
Many people have found that removing IE from there system completely, gives them a
faster system, better security, and 70MB that they did'nt have before
un-installing it. With todays HD's that seems like not much, but there's still
plenty of people running systems with small HD's and less resources than required
by IE and many of MS latest products.
Just the fact that this group is dedicated to an alternative browser to IE should
tell you that a lot of people here a passionate enough to 'pay' US$39 for the
ability to provide a satisfactory alternative, even with faults, we're here for
the long haul, because we believe in something that can be much better.
Thank You. & Goodnite. :--)
-
Rob Pitkin ( at your service ;-)
Matthew Winn
> [Someone else wrote:]
> > Why would I want to browse with a *player*?
>
> That's what I am trying to say. There is no reason to develop a special browser for
> loading their advertisement and guide windows. Browsing is an auxiliary task for a
> player, that's why they use MSIE components.
Why should they have the ability to browse at all? It's possible to use
computers for something other than browsing the web, so any software
which doesn't have a critical need for browsing should be able to manage
without having a browser available. It may be that a few additional
features won't work, but it shouldn't be essential to have a browser on
board.
> > And no, not every standard
> > Windows system has IE - I still have Win95 4.00.950A on my old lap-top,
> > and I'll never let IE come near it.
>
> Okay, I'll better say: _almost_ every standard Windows system has IE. :)
My Win95 system at home has IE. It's version 2 or something like that;
it's certainly not as modern as version 3. I even used it for a while,
until I gave up and downloaded Netscape Navigator 3. It was that which
convinced me that where web browsers are concerned you get what you pay
for.
--
Matthew Winn (mat...@sheridan.co.uk)
Hans Wolf
>_Much_ faster? 40%? Well, I didn't know that. I'll try to find out more about this 98lite
>but I don't think I will ever use it anyway. :)
you should have a long time age :-)
>> And no, not every standard
>> Windows system has IE - I still have Win95 4.00.950A on my old lap-top,
>> and I'll never let IE come near it.
>
>Okay, I'll better say: _almost_ every standard Windows system has IE. :)
But it MUST not!
One should only have IE on a development computer to test compatibilty
as you previously noted.
HW
>
>
Pa
news:1103_10...@news.opera.no:
> Real Player's purpose is playing, not browsing. It's quite
> understandable that, wanting their program to be able to
> browse, they use some MSIE components
This is unnecessary.
>because every standard
> Windows system has them.
Most standard systems crash alot, requiring xp to fix too.
Stefan Huber
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:04:51 -0800, John Connolly wrote
>On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:40:54 +0100, Stefan Huber <loos...@gmx.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Das wars, was ich mit "barockem Programmieren" gemeint habe:
>>Schnoerkselmaximierung bis der Compiler mit einen ELACHKRAMPF aussteigt.
>>--- Alexander Talos in at.linux
>
>
>Took German in school 55 years ago, but can only remember two phrases:
>
>Ich habe das beste getan, was ich hatte tun sollen. und
>Er scheisst auf den boden, recht gern! :-)
OK, I'll translate:
"That's what I meant with 'baroque programming': MAximize the bells an
whistles, until the compiler exits with E_LACHKRAMPF" (laugh convulsion?)
BTW: Why those two sentences? I have never heard of anyone who enjoys
delivering his business on the floor...not even in German :)
Stefan
--
"Linux wurde erfunden, damit nicht jeder Idiot denkt, er könne einen
Computer bedienen!" --- Guestbook Eintrag bei einer Linux Hate Page
Erik Mooney
>> Why would I want to browse with a *player*?
>
>That's what I am trying to say. There is no reason to develop a special browser for
>loading their advertisement and guide windows. Browsing is an auxiliary task for a
>player, that's why they use MSIE components.
Not for Real's business model and bottom line. For those purposes, browsing
is the primary task for the program. The media playing ability is just the
sales loss-leader to get it into your home and running.
This is a conflict of interest that afflicts more and more software (as well
as other mediums like television) these days. I'm happy to see Opera avoid
it, so far at least.
Pa
news:MPG.16b0e4c52...@news.cis.dfn.de:
>
> Which are the alternatives? I have never really used
> StreamingVideo/Audio, thus I don't even know any players
> (besides RealPlayer) or formats or fileextensions, ... => no
> good search criteria for Google/Freshmeat/OSDN :)
>
>
Same boat here. I have switched to Music Match with a reg code.
But hate its bulk and lethagy. I admit to having windows media
player installed, but hate it too for same reason.
However, the concept of actually finding good streaming content
and recording on the fly has potential use.
http://www.dago.pmp.com.pl/messer/
However, I have yet to find good free programming.
Pa
news:hupe4uge8ujuroabb...@news.alt.net:
> Not for Real's business model and bottom line. For those
> purposes, browsing is the primary task for the program. The
> media playing ability is just the sales loss-leader to get
> it into your home and running.
>
A brilliant thought!
Rant: If a company desires to stream content, put your ads in
the content, and forget hassling people with IE only websites to
stream visual web ads at us. Hassle=I won't get the content
because of the hassle. Let me pull content onto a portable
device for later use (mp3/dvd offline), and you can add ads as
you see fit.
Kenneth Porter
> My greatest surprise though was when I tried to fill in the (obligatory)
> registration details... I couldn't! It seems that even filling in a
> simple form requires Explorer DLLs and RealOne does not work unless this
> has been carried out (so a big "screw you" to anyone who wants to watch
> Real content and who isn't online!).
If they insist on one using their competitor's browser, then perhaps we
should use the same competitor's player and formats. Sounds like a
double-standard to me.
Alan Pollock
> Stefan Huber <loos...@gmx.net> wrote in
> news:MPG.16b0e4c52...@news.cis.dfn.de:
>>
>> Which are the alternatives? I have never really used
>> StreamingVideo/Audio, thus I don't even know any players
>> (besides RealPlayer) or formats or fileextensions, ... => no
>> good search criteria for Google/Freshmeat/OSDN :)
>>
>>
> Same boat here. I have switched to Music Match with a reg code.
> But hate its bulk and lethagy. I admit to having windows media
> player installed, but hate it too for same reason.
I Hate (HATE - did I say Hate?) Music Match exactly for those multi-use
'weight' reasons.
So for streaming mp3 stations I use WinAmp, for watching streaming video I use
WMP ('lighter' than RealP, and what else is there to choose from?), for
ripping I use EAC and for encoding, CDex with the latest stable Lame.
I'm in clover. Forget the Swiss Army Knives - coddle your sense of quality
with a discerning eye and get the best program for each task, or pretty soon
you'll have your lawnmower cooking breakfast for you. (Hmm, now there's an
idea) Nex
Jaelani C. Utomo
I was just going to download RealOne, but now I don't want it anymore.
I'll just stick to RealPlayer 8 until I'm desperate to use RealOne.
Thanks again.
"Geoff Morris" <Mos...@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:3C46...@operamail.com...
Geoff Morris
> I think they use a version of Netscape actually.
That's not true. They say so themselves, and it was "Internet Explorer reports an error..."
messages I was getting.
--
Geoff
http://k528r.balpol.tudelft.nl/~geoff
Geoff Morris
>
> >To which I told them that I will no longer be using their player.
>
> Which are the alternatives? I have never really used StreamingVideo/Audio,
> thus I don't even know any players (besides RealPlayer) or formats or
> fileextensions, ... => no good search criteria for Google/Freshmeat/OSDN :)
Unfortunately there are no alternatives for RealMedia. I re-installed RealPlayer 8 (but I
don't have to let Real know that) making sure to switch off as much crap as possible in
the setup settings. Then I spent the next half hour removing StartCenter, RealDownload
& RealJukebox from my system and making sure every other security-leak setting was
also disabled, every bloated so-called "feature" was switched off and every other
interference in my system (such as trying to take over associations) counter-acted. Then
I let Norton Utilities clear up the mess in my registry.
Only then did I again have a simple, small player that pops up only when RealMedia
playback requires it. I really *hate* companies like Real that make me have to do this!
By the way, as regards Windows Media Player, Media Player 6 is far and away the better
version - smaller, faster and more user-friendly in full-screen mode. What most people
don't realise is that the Media Player program only *controls* the media playback! The
actual playback codecs and rendering are carried out by software which is installed into
the Windows system. This means that you can easily do what I do: install a newer version
and then just re-associate version 6 with MPegs and AVIs. Now you have all the newest
filters and codecs from M$ but running faster and better.
--
Geoff
http://k528r.balpol.tudelft.nl/~geoff
Some people call me... Tim
wrote:
[RE: WMP and RealPlayer size and resource annoyances]
Personally, I found plugins for Winamp that will use the codecs
from WMP and RealPlayer. Now I can watch Real movies, listen to
RealPlayer streaming audio, WMP streaming audio, watch mov, avi, and
mpeg movies, and a bunch more right in Winamp. Works pretty well, but
not flawlessly.
--
Tim Altman
roy...@myrealSP-AMbox.com
No SP-AM is good spam.
Whappo
This is what I get with RealOne.
Rob Pitkin
partNOSPAMiallyNOSPA...@nozspammmy.operamail.com (Pa) wrote:
>Stefan Huber <loos...@gmx.net> wrote in
>> Which are the alternatives? I have never really used
>> StreamingVideo/Audio, thus I don't even know any players
>> (besides RealPlayer) or formats or fileextensions, ... => no
>> good search criteria for Google/Freshmeat/OSDN :)
>>
>>
>
>Same boat here. I have switched to Music Match with a reg code.
>But hate its bulk and lethagy. I admit to having windows media
>player installed, but hate it too for same reason.
>
>However, the concept of actually finding good streaming content
>and recording on the fly has potential use.
>http://www.dago.pmp.com.pl/messer/
>However, I have yet to find good free programming.
>
The player I'm using for mp3's (recording & playing) 'Simple' ((sometimes known
as 'SimplePlayer' or 'Simple Media' or even 'Simple release') [Freeware] a good,
extremely lightweight & powerful media player) while it does'nt support streaming
media yet, is trying to get it happening, if any-one feels like offering a hand to
them, I'm sure they'd probably appreciate it? This is a shameless plug, I know;
but I don't work there, or even know them, but here's the latest URL I have:
http://www.geocities.com/simplelance/
Enjoy! CU
Jaelani C. Utomo
"Aku ora ngerti bosomu!
Nek kowe-kowe ngomong kaya kuwe, ya... aku bisa ngomong kaya kiye!"
"John Connolly" <jfcon...@homXe.com> wrote in message
news:NQJHPNnas2zx0mucv=+i0v6...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:40:54 +0100, Stefan Huber <loos...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Das wars, was ich mit "barockem Programmieren" gemeint habe:
> >Schnoerkselmaximierung bis der Compiler mit einen ELACHKRAMPF
aussteigt.
> >--- Alexander Talos in at.linux
>
>
> Took German in school 55 years ago, but can only remember two phrases:
>
> Ich habe das beste getan, was ich hatte tun sollen. und
> Er scheisst auf den boden, recht gern! :-)
>
> John
>
Jaelani C. Utomo
Before I knew RealOne, I was eager to try it out. But as now I know it, I
don't wan't it.
Same here about the WMP. I installed WMP 7, but I never use it. I always
use the good-old-efficient WMP 6.
I installed WMP 7 just to get the newest codecs/filters, just like you do.
I'm still a bit curious about the RealOne, so I'm going to experiment on
RealOne to get its codecs running under RealPlayer 8. ;)
Hopefully it will works just like WMP. :-)
"Geoff Morris" <Mos...@OperaMail.com> wrote in message
news:1104_10...@news.opera.no...
Geoff Morris
'm still a bit curious about the RealOne, so I'm going to experiment on
>RealOne to get its codecs running under RealPlayer 8. ;)
>Hopefully it will works just like WMP. :-)
I don't think so - if I look at the RP8 directory I see the player, some
DLLs
and a couple of extra files to do with channels and stuff.
I imagine the DLLs are to do with the media decompression and rendering -
but
I don't think that you could just copy the newer DLLs to the older directory
and expect them to work...
--
Geoff
Laga Mahesa
Denis Orlov wrote as thus :
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:59:29 -0500, Geoff Morris <Mos...@operamail.com>
> wrote:
> > I did a stupid thing yesterday and decided to try the new RealOne (replaces
> > RealPlayer 8).
>
> To be honest, I think that deleting MSIE was a more stupid thing. :) What have you
> done it for? To free disk space? Now you can't use it even for tests...
It is stupid if you're a complete newbie, because killing IE results in
a number of problems that don't immediately look related.
Nonetheless, whether you use it or not, IE consumes RAM, system
resources, vast tracks of HD space; it sucks CPU time unnecessarily and
bloats your registry something chronic. Just because you don't have an
IE browser window opened, doesn't mean it's not sitting in memory.
At the moment I'm working on cauterizing Win2K. With XP I got quite far
(killed IE/outlook et al) but wasn't satisfied with the remaining bloat
level.
> > To which I told them that I will no longer be using their player.
>
> But what did you expect? Real Player's purpose is playing, not browsing. It's quite
> understandable that, wanting their program to be able to browse, they use some
> MSIE components because every standard Windows system has them. Do you
> mean they should have developed their own browser and include it to the player?
> This doesn't make sence, IMHO.
But you said yourself that Real Player's purpose is playing, not
browsing. If they really REALLY want to open an html document, use the
system default.
So far there hasn't been a single program that I couldn't live without.
ACDSee 4's 'IE Requirement' I managed to break and get around (couple of
plugins didn't work though), but in the end I didn't like it and went
back to 3.
Stone-D
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Laga Mahesa
Denis Orlov wrote as thus :
[SNIP]
> > And no, not every standard
> > Windows system has IE - I still have Win95 4.00.950A on my old lap-top,
> > and I'll never let IE come near it.
>
> Okay, I'll better say: _almost_ every standard Windows system has IE. :)
Hopefully not for long though. I'm cheering for the holdout states! :'D
Laga Mahesa
Geoff Morris wrote as thus :
[SNIP]
> Unfortunately there are no alternatives for RealMedia. I re-installed RealPlayer 8 (but I
> don't have to let Real know that) making sure to switch off as much crap as possible in
> the setup settings. Then I spent the next half hour removing StartCenter, RealDownload
> & RealJukebox from my system and making sure every other security-leak setting was
> also disabled, every bloated so-called "feature" was switched off and every other
> interference in my system (such as trying to take over associations) counter-acted. Then
> I let Norton Utilities clear up the mess in my registry.
>
> Only then did I again have a simple, small player that pops up only when RealMedia
> playback requires it. I really *hate* companies like Real that make me have to do this!
Ditto. Here's a tip so you can avoid future problems with such progs.
Simply do as the above, now save the registry settings to one monster
.reg file, zip up the program files and voila. Drag'n'drop installation.
:)
That's what I do with nearly everything - including windows itself. :D
Jernej Simonèiè
> I imagine the DLLs are to do with the media decompression and rendering -
> but
> I don't think that you could just copy the newer DLLs to the older directory
> and expect them to work...
Back up the old DLLs, and copy the new DLLs over, then see if it
works...
Ted Baker
without IE on my system?
Denis Orlov <gen...@nomail.ru> wrote in
news:1105_10...@news.opera.no:
Jernej Simončič
> I have thought about 98 lite. What types of things might stop working
> without IE on my system?
A lot of AD-supported programs may use IE components. Most of them will
work (without the ADs :), but some won't. Anyway, you can safely install
IE after 98lite removed it, it won't integrate to desktop.
Jernej Simonèiè
> I have thought about 98 lite. What types of things might stop working
> without IE on my system?
A lot of AD-supported programs may use IE components. Most of them will
work (without the ADs :), but some won't. Anyway, you can safely install
IE after 98lite removed it, it won't integrate to desktop, which is the
purpose of 98lite.
Geoff Morris
>Ditto. Here's a tip so you can avoid future problems with such progs.
>Simply do as the above, now save the registry settings to one monster
>.reg file, zip up the program files and voila. Drag'n'drop installation.
>:)
>
>That's what I do with nearly everything - including windows itself. :D
I don't have the disk space to image that amount of information. Besides
which, I would be re-imaging all the time!
--
Geoff
Geoff Morris
>I have thought about 98 lite. What types of things might stop working
>without IE on my system?
Up till now... uhh.... not much.
I don't use Outlook Express or anything like that.
Media Player 7 once didn't install properly unless I re-installed IE... and
RealOne doesn't work. And I think that's it.
But with 98lite you can uninstall and reinstall IE whenever you like - only
takes a couple of minutes, but you'll lose any bookmarks etc. each time.
--
Geoff
boo
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:44:16 GMT, Denis Orlov <gen...@mail.ru> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:59:29 -0500, Geoff Morris <Mos...@operamail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> I did a stupid thing yesterday and decided to try the new RealOne (replaces
> >> RealPlayer 8).
> >
> >To be honest, I think that deleting MSIE was a more stupid thing. :) What have you
> >done it for? To free disk space? Now you can't use it even for tests...
> >
> >
> >But what did you expect? Real Player's purpose is playing, not browsing. It's quite
> >understandable that, wanting their program to be able to browse, they use some
> >MSIE components because every standard Windows system has them. Do you
> >mean they should have developed their own browser and include it to the player?
> >This doesn't make sence, IMHO.
> >
> Previously RealPlayer at least worked without IE and a lot of people use the
> current free version or an even older version (i.e. RP2 or earlier?) just for
> those sites that have streaming media in ram, rm, or another realmedia format;
> like some of the radio stations here in Australia; and some of those stations
> don't give you the choice to use anything else un-fortunately.
> Some will let you choose between RP & MS MediaPlayer - of which a lot more
> of us than MS would like; keep just version 6.4.07 of MP for only this purpose,
> we don't want MP7.1 or another bloatware mirror-ball with louzy filing and
> archiving systems that may insist on encoding 'your' music in some mis-guided and
> deceitful farce about security, which is in fact more about monopolizing media and
> artists than most realise.
> ; 6.4 will run on just about anything without interfering in your business.
> Many people have found that removing IE from there system completely, gives them a
> faster system, better security, and 70MB that they did'nt have before
> un-installing it. With todays HD's that seems like not much, but there's still
> plenty of people running systems with small HD's and less resources than required
> by IE and many of MS latest products.
> Just the fact that this group is dedicated to an alternative browser to IE should
> tell you that a lot of people here a passionate enough to 'pay' US$39 for the
> ability to provide a satisfactory alternative, even with faults, we're here for
> the long haul, because we believe in something that can be much better.
> Thank You. & Goodnite. :--)
>
> -
> Rob Pitkin ( at your service ;-)
I too downloaded Real One player...the browser didn't bother me because I just changed the option to a "mini" player and
got rid of the browser...BUT the problem I keep having is the stupid message center putting itself in my startup everytime I
use the player...I go into msconfig and uncheck it in startup but as soon as I use the player it checks itself again....
any suggestions???/
BTW...I too love my Opera 6
boo
All things in time shall pass away but we shall not pass away. -James C. Gathings-
Geoff Morris
>I too downloaded Real One player...the browser didn't bother me because I
just changed the option to a "mini" player and
>got rid of the browser...BUT the problem I keep having is the stupid message
center putting itself in my startup everytime I
>use the player...I go into msconfig and uncheck it in startup but as soon as
I use the player it checks itself again....
>
>any suggestions???/
The only things I could suggest are looking for an option in the message
center or the RealOne preferences and following that it would be to shut
down
all Real stuff, run regedit and find all references to "real" in your
registry
and windows .INI files. This will take a long time, since Real inserts a
couple of hundred registry entries! It will also be tiresome finding and
deleting the one that starts up the message center, but if that's the only
way
then...
--
Geoff
Rob Pitkin
[SNIP] :--)
>
>I too downloaded Real One player...the browser didn't bother me because I just changed the option to a "mini" player and
>got rid of the browser...BUT the problem I keep having is the stupid message center putting itself in my startup everytime I
>use the player...I go into msconfig and uncheck it in startup but as soon as I use the player it checks itself again....
>
>any suggestions???/
>BTW...I too love my Opera 6
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>boo
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>All things in time shall pass away but we shall not pass away. -James C. Gathings-
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Hi, boo, nice to see ya!
Geoff's more knowledgble than me with regard to Real, I have'nt had any of the new
RealPlayers installed for quite a while now. I'm learning to live with-out most of
the newer bits and I only go to those sites occasionally.
One thing I do remember? (maybe) about the RealPlayer Start Centre was that it
had a separate options/prefs. page of it's own, and it was very easy to overlook
it?
HTH
CU
Brian L Johnson
> BUT the problem I keep having is the stupid message center putting itself in my startup everytime I
> use the player...I go into msconfig and uncheck it in startup but as soon as I use the player it checks itself again....
>
RP 8 tries to load itself through the Control Panel 'configuration' applet.
IIRC, you have to open RP and then you choose the menuitem View|
Preferences ^General. StartCentre>Settings... and uncheck the box in there.
That will prevent it from loading on Windows start-up.
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-blj-
Opera 6.0-1010, ID'ing as Opera, JRE 1.3, WinXP-H
R.B. VanDyke
> Please note that it is necessary to install MSIE 5.0x (Internet Explorer) or
> higher versions of the browser installed on your system for the RealOne
> Player to function properly. RealOne Player uses some components of
> Internet
> Explorer browser.
I realize there's been extensive back-and-forth about this already, but I wonder: does anyone happen to know which DLL's RealOne
Player wants? If so, is it possible to simply copy those files from someone who has IE on his or her system? Once upon a time an older
version of RealPlayer (6?) required a N'scape Navigator DLL that I didn't have; I was instructed by R'Player's install program to first install
Navigator. Instead I simply asked a friend if he had the DLL on his system, copied it, put it where R'Player wanted it, and off I went.
Would this approach help bypass the IE "requirement"?
Of course the root of this entire problem is Microsofts obnoxious demodularization of its OS so as to prevent third-party programs from
displacing ("commoditizing" was the word in Judge Penfield's finding) any part of Windows. And yeah, ain't monopoly grand.
Finally all this doesn't make me like RealNetworks any more than I do now -- even older versions of its product(s) seemed awfully
disruptive and required a disproportionate amount of work to make into "good citizens."
Cheers,
Riley VanDyke
San Francisco
Pa
news:3c482216...@news.opera.no:
> This is a shameless plug, I know;
> but I don't work there, or even know them,
No shame if you don't have an affiliation. Makes the NG more
interesting.
Richard Grevers
Since RealPlayer is reportedly under serious threat from Microsoft
"integrating" their own media player with WinXP, you would expect that
Real would be bending over backwards to ensure their software worked well
with all Microsoft's competition, wouldn't you.
Sharkfin
Microsoft OS without it installing IE anyway (which I thought was why they
were in court), so where's the problem?
"Richard Grevers" wrote...
moretha...@theopera.com
no....@all.for.me says...
There's a program called "98 lite" that will install Windows 98 without
installing Intercrap Explorer. ;-)
I'd like to install MS Media Player 7.1 on Windows 98A but from what I've
heard (so far) it's not possible. :-/
moretha...@theopera.com
the proper 98lite webpage, I read the following.
"Please note that 98lite.NET and Brooks Innovations PTY LTD is NOT IN ANY
WAY SHAPE OR FORM associated with the 98lite.COM website that is
currently SCAMMING people by immitating the 98lite.NET website using
copywrite stolen graphics and text content and charging people good money
to access our FREE products."
In other words, the real 98lite webpage is located at 98lite.net and not
98lite.com.
Geoff Morris
>In other words, the real 98lite webpage is located at 98lite.net and not
>98lite.com.
Yeah - I found that when I accidentally visited it recently. Back then the
site said that I required Internet Explorer to view it?!?!? I thought it was
someone doing a joke, but now I see that it's one of the sites of that
damned
"be able to burn your own DVDs just by sending us money" spammer.
Anyway - as regards media player - I got it installed by re-loading IE in
98lite, installing media player and then removing IE again. In 98lite this
is
just a question of selecting / de-selecting IE as an option in the
Add/remove
programs section and re-starting windows. Takes one or two minutes each (as
long as you have your installation files handy).
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Geoff
moretha...@theopera.com
> Anyway - as regards media player - I got it installed by re-loading IE in
> 98lite, installing media player and then removing IE again. In 98lite this
> is
> just a question of selecting / de-selecting IE as an option in the
> Add/remove
> programs section and re-starting windows. Takes one or two minutes each (as
> long as you have your installation files handy).
And Windows Media Player 7.1 actually works after you have removed I.E.
using 98Lite?
People who are concerned about their privacy might be interested in
reading about super-cookies. It has something to do with Windows Media
Player and Internet Explorer.
Another security loop hole, courtesy of Bill Gates & his Evil Empire.
Tim
>> Anyway - as regards media player - I got it installed by re-loading IE in
>> 98lite, installing media player and then removing IE again. In 98lite this
>> is
>> just a question of selecting / de-selecting IE as an option in the
>> Add/remove
>> programs section and re-starting windows. Takes one or two minutes each (as
>> long as you have your installation files handy).
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:06:53 -0500, moretha...@theopera.com wrote:
> And Windows Media Player 7.1 actually works after you have removed I.E.
> using 98Lite?
>
> People who are concerned about their privacy might be interested in
> reading about super-cookies. It has something to do with Windows Media
> Player and Internet Explorer.
>
> Another security loop hole, courtesy of Bill Gates & his Evil Empire.
>
> http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/supercookie.htm
Hmm, interesting, but why am I not surprised?
Super-cookies? What will they be called next?
I like the domain name, a nicely done pun.
Howard Brazee
Geoff Morris
>
>> Anyway - as regards media player - I got it installed by re-loading IE in
>> 98lite, installing media player and then removing IE again.
>
>using 98Lite?
Yeah of course - all Media Player does is control the movement of data from
the file through the codecs and filters to the audio/video output. In fact,
Media Player 6 (aka. mplayer2.exe) does this better than 7, IMO.
This was just a typical MS thing where it wanted to use some pointless IE
DLL
during the installation - probably just to look up some network settings or
something. Anyway, the point is that it was just the installer that didn't
work without IE.
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Geoff
Geoff Morris
work without IE. (oh - and downloading new codecs doesn't seem to work
either,
but that's what divx-digest.com is for... right?).
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Geoff