Yahoo! Mail...
Jarek Piórkowski
When I'm using Opera and log into Yahoo! Mail, we end up on page with
no JavaScript and frames, even through I checked to use page appropiate
for current browser.
I sent to <ma...@yahoo-inc.com> an e-mail which was:
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This actually is a wish for Yahoo! Mail system instead of a question,
but I couldn't find any other way to contact you.
My browser, Opera 6, is most standard-complaint browser used by over 6
million people worldwide. It's support to the standards can be checked
on Opera Software's website at http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/.
When I log in to my Yahoo! Mail, I get redirected to non-JavaScript,
non-frames page, even through I checked in to use page appropriate for
current browser in account options. Opera 6 supports frames and
JavaScript perfectly. Additionally, when I use feature of identifying
as
Internet Explorer 5, I see frames and JavaScript page, even through
"Opera" string is existent in user-agent string.
Web interface will be even more important after April 24, 2002 as we
will no longer be able to use favorite POP3 client to view our mail.
My wish is to
a) add Opera to list of browsers supporting frames and JavaScript
b) or, if you don't want to do it (I see no reason why, through), add
an option to always show frames and JavaScript page.
Thanks in advance.
Greetings,
Jarek Piórkowski
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As you can see, e-mail is in nice tone, shows reason for the errors and
Opera's advantages (link to page with standards supported, information
about 6 over million users, etc).
Today I got a reply which follows:
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Hello,
Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Mail.
Thank you for your suggestions regarding Yahoo! Mail. It is through
user
comments and feedback that we are able to continue to develop and
improve our service. We always have something on the drawing board, and
many of our best new features have been suggested directly by users
like
you.
However, please note that Yahoo! Mail is compatible with virtually all
Internet browsers.
First, please note: if you are a WebTV user, or if your browser has any
trouble with JavaScript, we recommend that you select the non-frames
version of Yahoo! Mail as your default. To do this:
1. Click the "Options" link on the left-hand
navigation bar
2. Click the "Preferences" link
3. In the Preferences window, locate the "Version"
heading and select "always use non-frames,
non-javascript version"
4. Click "Save"
5. You will need to Sign Out of your account for these
changes to take effect. Click the "Sign Out" link
on the left hand navigation bar, and then sign back in.
Currently, there are two versions of Yahoo! Mail available: a "frames"
version which uses JavaScript, and a "non-frames" version which does
not. To use the frames version of Yahoo! Mail, you must use either
Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer -- version 3.0 or
higher.
The non-frames version is available for other browsers.
If you Sign In to Yahoo! Mail using a browser which does not support
JavaScript, you will be Signed In to the non-frames version
automatically.
If you Sign In to Yahoo! Mail using a browser that is capable of
handling JavaScript, you will be Signed in to the frames version. If
your browser is capable of handling JavaScript but does not currently
have it enabled, you will see a message reading, "You must enable
javascript" at the top of the left-hand navigation bar. To enable
JavaScript, follow the instructions below for your browser and version.
[instructions for whole bunch of IE & Netscape versions - no Operas
included]
Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.
Regards,
Yahoo! Customer Care
===
Let me put your attention to these pieces.
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To use the frames version of Yahoo! Mail, you must use either
Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer -- version 3.0 or
higher. The non-frames version is available for other browsers.
If you Sign In to Yahoo! Mail using a browser that is capable of
handling JavaScript, you will be Signed in to the frames version.
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As you can see, "browsers capable of handling JS" are equivalent for
them to "Netscape Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer version
3.0 or higher". We, Opera users, like such statements very much :(
I wrote them an e-mail in which I proposed to read over mine and theirs
e-mail, but also I've decided to do some more.
I ask that Yahoo! Mail users please send to address ma...@yahoo-inc.com
e-mail with a content similar to mine (you can copy it), changing name
of course.
I also ask that a person from Opera Software please contact Yahoo!
officially, as a protest against discrimination of their browser.
Please and thank you.
--
:: Greetings,
:: Jarek Piórkowski
:: [decode email address with ROT-13 or jarek_piorkowski on yahoo.com]
Sebas
<wnerx_cv...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>When I'm using Opera and log into Yahoo! Mail, we end up on page with
>no JavaScript and frames, even through I checked to use page appropiate
>for current browser.
That's a long time I'm using Yahoo mail, and I never had that pb.
Opera 6.02, but also 5.12 and even 3.62 (I´m just testing again, but
every thing is OK)
Something must be wrong in your config. Maybe you should have post
your msg first, before to send your letter to Yahoo.
Id as Opera
Cookies enable (but not referrer logging)
Javascript enable (of course), but not java
If you configure Opera to refuse cookies, Yahoo will display this
notice :
---- quote -------
Check the copyright date on your browser (Go to "Help... About..").
Users of old browsers may want to try the lastest version from Opera,
Microsoft, or Netscape.
---- end quote -------
Notice that Opera is in the 1st place :-)
Jarek Piórkowski
>>When I'm using Opera and log into Yahoo! Mail, we end up on page
>>with no JavaScript and frames, even through I checked to use page
>>appropiate for current browser.
>
> That's a long time I'm using Yahoo mail, and I never had that pb.
> Opera 6.02, but also 5.12 and even 3.62 (I´m just testing again,
> but every thing is OK)
>
> Something must be wrong in your config. Maybe you should have post
> your msg first, before to send your letter to Yahoo.
>
> Id as Opera
> Cookies enable (but not referrer logging)
> Javascript enable (of course), but not java
I just logged in, and got to non-frames version.
In Yahoo! Mial opions, I've got:
---
Version: use version appropriate for current browser
---
Opera 6.01 build 1041.
ID as Opera, cookies enabled with referrer logging enabled (just tried
with diabled - does not work neither), JS but not Java.
My settings for cookies are: accept all cookies from all servers.
I didn't find anything more in options to be revelant. If I missed
something, please ask for it.
Jarek Piórkowski
> I just logged in, and got to non-frames version.
One more question - when composing an e-mail, Opera uses non-fixed
width font. In IE it's fixed width font, which makes it easier to
compose ASCII-arts :) Is it page's or Opera's fault, or is it just the
way it's supposed to be?
Ted S.
<wnerx_cv...@lnubb.pbz> wrote in
news:Xns91E85B6...@127.0.0.1:
> Pewnego pięknego dnia, Jarek Piórkowski wyklawiaturzył:
>
>> I just logged in, and got to non-frames version.
>
> One more question - when composing an e-mail, Opera uses non-fixed
> width font. In IE it's fixed width font, which makes it easier to
> compose ASCII-arts :) Is it page's or Opera's fault, or is it just
> the way it's supposed to be?
>
Try going to to Preferences -> Fonts and colors -> Forms multiline and
see what you get. On my copy of Opera, this is set to a monospace
font.
Of course, I don't use Yahoo! Mail, so I don't know if e-mail
composition there is actually an HTML form. :-)
--
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harpoon, or... or an alligator. --Homer Simpson
Sebas
<wnerx_cv...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>Pewnego pięknego dnia, Jarek Piórkowski wyklawiaturzył:
>
>> I just logged in, and got to non-frames version.
>
>One more question - when composing an e-mail, Opera uses non-fixed
>width font. In IE it's fixed width font, which makes it easier to
>compose ASCII-arts :) Is it page's or Opera's fault, or is it just the
>way it's supposed to be?
My compose window is with fixed width font.
In Opera´s Preferences / Browser look / Font & Color , I've got "Use
System Default" checked
Sebas
>> Opera 6.02, but also 5.12 and even 3.62 (I´m just testing again,
>> but every thing is OK)
>
>
>In Yahoo! Mial opions, I've got:
>---
>Version: use version appropriate for current browser
>---
>Opera 6.01 build 1041.
>
All my apologizes, you was perfectly right !!! I never noticed that I
was in non-frames version when I was IDing as Opera (6.02 and 5.12).
It doesn't happend when ID as MSIE or Mozilla. It doesn't happend w/
3.62 since it ID as netscape
I have to click on "go to frames version" on the main page at each
time.
In fact, it doesn't perturb me to have a non frames page.
How do you notice the page is w/ or w/o javascript ?
Regards,
Sebas
Jarek Piórkowski
> In fact, it doesn't perturb me to have a non frames page.
> How do you notice the page is w/ or w/o javascript ?
In fact, there are two entire versions fo mail system, frames and non-
frames. Non-frames version does not have JS procedures, for example
there is no ability to check all messages in current folder, but the
biggest problem is it doesn't adhere to interface colour set in options
:)
Jarek Piórkowski
>> One more question - when composing an e-mail, Opera uses
>> non-fixed width font. In IE it's fixed width font, which makes it
>> easier to compose ASCII-arts :) Is it page's or Opera's fault, or
>> is it just the way it's supposed to be?
>>
> Try going to to Preferences -> Fonts and colors -> Forms multiline
> and see what you get. On my copy of Opera, this is set to a
> monospace font.
I think I've found something interesting. I had set Courier New as font
for <textarea>s. It's script was Western, since there's no Eastern
European in the list. I think my system default is Eastern European and
Opera, while couldn't find Eastern European script for Courier New,
used default font (Times New Roman I suppose). I've set font to
Fixedsys temporalily, chose Eastern European script and it is used
correctly.
> Of course, I don't use Yahoo! Mail, so I don't know if e-mail
> composition there is actually an HTML form. :-)
It is. The code is <textarea name="Body" rows=15 cols=70
wrap=virtual></textarea>, if you're interested.