Opera vs. MSN revisited
Arve Bersvendsen
error for at least Opera 7.11 users,
<URL:http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19510>.
I've tested with different browsers, with scripts/cookies/plugins
both enabled and disabled, and only Opera 7.x seems to be affected.
Which presumably means something is going on at the HTTP level or
below.
What is going on, and is this once again intentional crippling of
Opera by MSN?
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bunyip
wrote:
> Seems like msn.com is unavailable, sporting a "500 Server too busy" error
> for at least Opera 7.11 users,
> <URL:http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19510>.
>
> I've tested with different browsers, with scripts/cookies/plugins both
> enabled and disabled, and only Opera 7.x seems to be affected. Which
> presumably means something is going on at the HTTP level or below.
>
> What is going on, and is this once again intentional crippling of Opera
> by MSN?
>
everything seems to be ok for me using O7.11,2880 read the board about
Opera users not getting access to MSN
Stephen Poley
<arve+...@bersvendsen.com> wrote:
>Seems like msn.com is unavailable, sporting a "500 Server too busy"
>error for at least Opera 7.11 users,
><URL:http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19510>.
>
>I've tested with different browsers, with scripts/cookies/plugins
>both enabled and disabled, and only Opera 7.x seems to be affected.
>Which presumably means something is going on at the HTTP level or
>below.
>
>What is going on, and is this once again intentional crippling of
>Opera by MSN?
Looks very much like it - I've done a little bit of testing with the
same result.
It's an old saying that one should never attribute to malice that which
can adequately be explained by incompetence - but this cannot adequately
be explained by incompetence.
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Stephen Poley
Barendrecht, Holland
"Dan Michael O. Heggø"
wrote:
> Seems like msn.com is unavailable, sporting a "500 Server too busy" error
> for at least Opera 7.11 users,
> <URL:http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19510>.
>
> I've tested with different browsers, with scripts/cookies/plugins both
> enabled and disabled, and only Opera 7.x seems to be affected. Which
> presumably means something is going on at the HTTP level or below.
>
> What is going on, and is this once again intentional crippling of Opera
> by MSN?
I get "500 Server too busy" in Opera, but not in MSIE. Microsoft is really
evil!
--
Dan Michael O. Heggø
using Opera 7.10 build 2840
Win2k SP3
John Lewis
wrote:
> What is going on, and is this once again intentional crippling of Opera
> by MSN?
I can't believe MSN hasn't learned their lesson. What do they have against
Opera, anyway? It's not like a tiny web browser company is going to topple
MSN. This is at least the third time they've tried to make Opera look bad,
presumably on purpose (fool me once, etc.), and it just doesn't make sense.
The MSN Search site still works in O7: <http://search.msn.com/>. So does My
MSN: <http://my.msn.com/>. Apparently only the most important page is
affected. Very funny.
PS: Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Hopefully the press will
pick up on this as well.
--
John Lewis
David W. Hodgins
> The MSN Search site still works in O7: <http://search.msn.com/>. So does My MSN: <http://my.msn.com/>. Apparently only the most important page is affected. Very funny.
>
> PS: Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Hopefully the press will pick up on this as well.
I just experimented with this. If I select View/Style/Nostalgic, I also see the
following text...
**** OPERA FOR 8-BIT COMPUTERS ****
LOAD"Error",8 LOADING
READY.
RUN
Is this coming from msn, or is it related to how ms is messing up
opera browsers?
Regards, Dave Hodgins
John Lewis
<dhodg...@rogers.com> wrote:
> I just experimented with this. If I select View/Style/Nostalgic, I also
> see the
> following text...
> **** OPERA FOR 8-BIT COMPUTERS ****
> LOAD"Error",8 LOADING
> READY.
> RUN
>
> Is this coming from msn, or is it related to how ms is messing up
> opera browsers?
More foul MSN badness! What have they done? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE?!
...
Actually, that's just a wacky alternative style sheet applied to the error
page. ;) Try the same style sheet at Opera's website and you'll see the
title "Opera Software" instead of "Error".
--
John Lewis
Kevin W
> enabled and disabled, and only Opera 7.x seems to be affected. Which
> presumably means something is going on at the HTTP level or below.
Hmm.. it's not in the user agent string, because doing a
wget -U "Opera/7.11 (Windows 98; U) [en]" http://www.msn.com
gets the normal MSN front page. Is it something to do with the HTTP
request that Opera sends to the server? Probably. Is it intentional? I
don't know.
--
Kevin W :-)
Opera/CSS/webdev blog: http://www.mypage.tsn.cc/trats/
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Arve Bersvendsen
> I can't believe MSN hasn't learned their lesson. What do they have
> against Opera, anyway? It's not like a tiny web browser company is
> going to topple MSN.
No, but Opera's continued existence is a threat to Microsoft dominance
in the handheld/mobile market, which is a market with a huge potential
for growth. A market Microsoft wants to own. They want to be on your
mobile phone, they want to be on your PDA, your wristwatch and your
neural implants.
Richard Grevers
wrote:
> John Lewis wrote in news:oprpab1irsn6m5u6@localhost:
>
>> I can't believe MSN hasn't learned their lesson. What do they have
>> against Opera, anyway? It's not like a tiny web browser company is
>> going to topple MSN.
>
> No, but Opera's continued existence is a threat to Microsoft dominance in
> the handheld/mobile market, which is a market with a huge potential for
> growth. A market Microsoft wants to own. They want to be on your mobile
> phone, they want to be on your PDA, your wristwatch and your neural
> implants.
>
<timewarp class="forward">
Ouch, i've heard that those neural implants give you one hell of a headache
when they bluescreen. And "fingers in both nostrils plus your right ear"
really sucks as a replacement for Ctrl-Alt-Del!
</timewarp>
--
Arve Bersvendsen
> <timewarp class="forward">
> Ouch, i've heard that those neural implants give you one hell of a
> headache when they bluescreen. And "fingers in both nostrils plus
> your right ear" really sucks as a replacement for Ctrl-Alt-Del!
Yeah. And dumping physical memory when kernel8192.dll crashes takes
forever.
Plus, it's never fun having your thoughts broadcast on IRC when you're
infected by Fizzer-99.
> </timewarp>
xfut: opera.off-topic
Yngve Nysaeter Pettersen (Developer, Opera Software A/S)
wrote:
>Seems like msn.com is unavailable, sporting a "500 Server too busy"
>error for at least Opera 7.11 users,
><URL:http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19510>.
>
This is caused by a serverside problem with handling q-values in the Accept
Language header sent by Opera.
Q-values are an important part of the HTTP standard's content negotiation
functionality (see RFC 2616) and are used (in this case) to let the server know
which languages are the ones you prefer if it is able to provide you with
translated version of the document.
The server does not remove the q-part of the language specification before
comparing it to its known languages, and when it does not find a matching
language, it sends back the reported error page, instead of falling back to
english, or giving a more meaningful message, like "Sorry, but I can't give you
this document in any of the languages you specified".
Only users that have edited their language preferences will experience the
problem because that is when the q-values are added.
Workaround:
For example: Remove the ";q=1.0" part of
[Adv User Prefs]
HTTP Accept Language=en;q=1.0,no;q=0.9
so that it says
[Adv User Prefs]
HTTP Accept Language=en,no;q=0.9
instead.
news.opera.no
Will a tin foil hat protect one against the neural implants?
Richard Grevers
wrote:
No, it just causes a lot of static in which some wearers have reported they
can hear John Lennon saying "I am the Walrus"
follow-ups to opera.off-topic
Opera
all so concerned with being able to spend your time on MSN?
"news.opera.no" <hock...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jarek Piórkowski
> This entire thread is hilarious. With all the ridicule of MS, why are you
> all so concerned with being able to spend your time on MSN?
Were are not. However, some new Opera users may be. And it is also about a
principle, since it looks like M$ is blocking Opera on purpose.
--
Jarek Piórkowski
Opera
> ... And it is also about a
> principle, since it looks like M$ is blocking Opera on purpose.
It's their web site, they are free to do what they want with it. MS doesn't
owe Opera users anything.
In general, I like MS. But looking at the MSN site a few minutes ago (with
Opera by the way) all I see is the same web site as before: ugly, cluttered,
lots of ads, and providing nothing of value. IE is there to use for MSN
sites if someone really has a pressing need to visit.