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GJKamenz

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:49:43 PM11/23/09
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I saw that 10.10 was out and about. opera did /not/ tell me an update
was available. How do I turn that check back on? (Heck, I don't
remember turning it off.)

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Remco Lanting

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:50:24 PM11/23/09
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Opera checks every three days I think, so it's not very strange that you
didn't get notified yet. The global setting for it is in Tools ->
preferences -> advanced -> security while more specific settings are in
opera:config#AutoUpdate

And no, the documentation reachable through the help link in the upper
right has not been updated for Opera 10 yet :(

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Jeff Layman

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Nov 24, 2009, 5:32:54 AM11/24/09
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Remco Lanting wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:49:43 +0100, GJKamenz <g...@foo.bar.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I saw that 10.10 was out and about. opera did /not/ tell me an update
>> was available. How do I turn that check back on? (Heck, I don't
>> remember turning it off.)
>
> Opera checks every three days I think, so it's not very strange that you
> didn't get notified yet. The global setting for it is in Tools ->
> preferences -> advanced -> security while more specific settings are in
> opera:config#AutoUpdate
>
> And no, the documentation reachable through the help link in the upper
> right has not been updated for Opera 10 yet :(

I have "Notify me about available updates" set and AFAIAA Opera has never
notified me of an available update.

Perhaps this might be a good place to ask just why the Auto-update feature
is included under "Security". Seems an odd place to put it - shouldn't it
be in the "General" tab, or at least under a separate heading in "Advanced"?
And why "Auto-update" - why not just "Update", and include "Auto-update" as
an option?

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Eik

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Nov 24, 2009, 5:43:42 AM11/24/09
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:32:54 -0000, Jeff Layman <jmla...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> I have "Notify me about available updates" set and AFAIAA Opera has never
> notified me of an available update.

Do you have a custom language file or anything? I seem to recall that old
versions never updated their browser JS file if the language they were set
to use was 'unsupported' by Opera.


> Perhaps this might be a good place to ask just why the Auto-update
> feature
> is included under "Security". Seems an odd place to put it - shouldn't
> it
> be in the "General" tab, or at least under a separate heading in
> "Advanced"?

I meant to post about this after 10.01 came out. It took me ages to
disable auto-updates as it's not something I link to security. I'm sure
Opera will argue that staying updated keeps me safe from security holes
and therefore is security related, but it just isn't intuative for me. I
naturally looked in the Notifications settings, because Opera *notifies*
me that new versions are available.


> And why "Auto-update" - why not just "Update", and include
> "Auto-update" as
> an option?

Because this setting allows Opera to check for updates every three days
automatically. If you want to disable that and check manually, use 'Check
for updates' on the Help menu.

Jeff Layman

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:49:06 AM11/24/09
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Eik wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:32:54 -0000, Jeff Layman <jmla...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I have "Notify me about available updates" set and AFAIAA Opera has never
>> notified me of an available update.
>
> Do you have a custom language file or anything? I seem to recall that old
> versions never updated their browser JS file if the language they were set
> to use was 'unsupported' by Opera.

I was using 10.01. No custom language file. Actually, that reminds me -
any reason why the majority of the folders in "Program Files/Opera/locale/"
shouldn't be deleted? Seems a great waste of disk space to include all
those languages if you aren't using them.

>> Perhaps this might be a good place to ask just why the Auto-update
>> feature
>> is included under "Security". Seems an odd place to put it - shouldn't
>> it
>> be in the "General" tab, or at least under a separate heading in
>> "Advanced"?
>
> I meant to post about this after 10.01 came out. It took me ages to
> disable auto-updates as it's not something I link to security. I'm sure
> Opera will argue that staying updated keeps me safe from security holes
> and therefore is security related, but it just isn't intuative for me. I
> naturally looked in the Notifications settings, because Opera *notifies*
> me that new versions are available.
>
>
>> And why "Auto-update" - why not just "Update", and include
>> "Auto-update" as
>> an option?
>
> Because this setting allows Opera to check for updates every three days
> automatically. If you want to disable that and check manually, use 'Check
> for updates' on the Help menu.

But Auto-updates has the options "Do not check for updates" and
"Automatically install updates" as well as the notification option. Only
the last one really makes any sense with something entitled "Auto-update".
I always check manually when I hear there is an update available - I never
have anything autoupdating itself.

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Jeff


Remco Lanting

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:09:21 PM11/24/09
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:49:06 +0100, Jeff Layman <jmla...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> I was using 10.01. No custom language file. Actually, that reminds me -


> any reason why the majority of the folders in "Program
> Files/Opera/locale/"
> shouldn't be deleted? Seems a great waste of disk space to include all
> those languages if you aren't using them.

http://www.opera.com/download/?os=windows&ver=10.10&local=y

There are three versions, only one includes all languages. With the others
you need to install additional languages manually.

ge...@none.net

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Nov 24, 2009, 7:43:27 PM11/24/09
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:49:06 -0000
"Jeff Layman" <jmla...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Because this setting allows Opera to check for updates every three
> > days automatically. If you want to disable that and check manually,
> > use 'Check for updates' on the Help menu.
>
> But Auto-updates has the options "Do not check for updates" and
> "Automatically install updates" as well as the notification option.
> Only the last one really makes any sense with something entitled
> "Auto-update". I always check manually when I hear there is an update
> available - I never have anything autoupdating itself.

The OP should consider himself lucky. I had the classic install version
of 10.10rc and had auto update checked in Prefs. Returning from a few
days away, the latter just deleted the opera.exe file and Desktop and
Taskbar icons. Since it couldn't find opera.dll, which presumably goes
with the standard install, there was no more Opera. I had to reinstall
Opera via Firefox (!), but the FF install process didn't seem to give a
choice of where to put it and the setup created a new Opera folder. I
used that version to download and put the classic installer where I
wanted it, and update 10.10rc. I guess the new Opera folder can just be
deleted, since it's been overriden and doesn't show up in Add/Remove
Programs (XP).

Gene

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