Opera Always Opens With a Small Window
Headless
>I'm trying out version 4.0 Final, and I'm finding that whenever I click
>on a URL, Opera opens to a small window, about 1/3 the size of my
>screen. If I already have Opera open, then clicking on a URL in an E-
>Mail will result in Opera displaying the page properly.
This is normal behaviour with Opera, there's a utility called OpWic
around if you absolutely can't live with this behaviour. Otherwise,
just maximise the MDI window with a click.
Headless
sleddog
>On Jun 30/2000 at 02:22 PM, Headless wrote:
>
>>This is normal behaviour with Opera, there's a utility called OpWic
>>around if you absolutely can't live with this behaviour. Otherwise,
>>just maximise the MDI window with a click.
>
>saying that I need a 3rd party utility just to have Opera open to a
>normal size window after clicking on a URL? I find it hard to
believe
>that such a behviour is "normal". What purpose does it serve to open
a
>page that fits only 1/3 of your screen?
Sigh. It's *normal* for an MDI application. Start your wordprocessor.
Open a doc. Click the middle of the three window controls top-right
so the document window is *not* maximized. Open another document.
See?
If you want subsequent Opera windows maximized, use it like your word
processor -- maximize *one* document window and *all* are maximized,
including new ones.
If you want Opera to *start* with a single maximized window, then
open one (blank) window, maximize it, then click 'Windows > Save
windows settings'. Then in 'Preferences > Start and Exit' select
'Show saved windows...' under 'Start' and UNselect the 'Save windows'
option under 'Exit'.
--
sleddog
R.A.G. Seely
>Anyway, I suppose I'll have to load OpWic, although I do remember using
>that application some time back, and found it most confusing to set up.
>I'll have a look on Opera's home page, as I remember seeing something
>about it there.
When you get your copy of Opwic, put the following five lines in a file
called opwic.cfg (in the same directory as opwic.exe)
f4
s2
p1
i
v2
This will give you a good simple configuration, and it'll be entirely
invisible (you won't see any opwic window anywhere!) - after a while you'll
forget you even have it. You can experiment a while for fancier settings
if you like. And if you feel the need to control the opwic behaviour, you
can run opwitray.exe as well. But try the cfg above, and put Opwic.exe in
your startup folder to get rid of those small windows that bug you.
-= rags =-
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R.A.G. Seely
>That is what I'm trying to do. When was the last time you used your
>word processor and the documents were displayed as useless child
>widows? That is NOT normal behaviour despite what your claim to the
>contrary.
I replied to your earlier note, with what I hope you will find helpful
advice on setting up Opwic - which I think will make your Opera browsing
more pleasant. I had the same reaction to the not-full windows at first,
and discovering Opwic was a real joy.
However, apart from tone (!), the comment made that Opera's behaviour is
similar to, say, Word's is in fact fairly correct. If you have a not-
maximised window open in Word, and then open a new window, it inherits the
size of the previous window. If you start with a maximized window, your
next one is maximized too. This seems to be a MDI phenomenon - that the
major two browsers do not support MDI is another issue - but it does seem
that a lot of folks have assumed that what *they* do is the "natural" thing
to do...
Personally, I find that MDI + Opwic is the best combo. YMMV of course.
Good luck.
Headless
wrote:
>If you want Opera to *start* with a single maximized window, then
>open one (blank) window, maximize it, then click 'Windows > Save
>windows settings'.
This will work for a normal start, but it won't solve his problem: if
you click an url in e.g. your mail editor Opera still opens a non
maximized window.
Headless
rich
But once Opera is open, all clicks will bring up a maximized window. My
solution since O3.2 has been to put Opera in my startup folder: it opens
maximized with my custom home page and stays running all the time. Then,
everything opens maximized.
Regards,
-rich
Riverside, CA
r...@rsjones.net
sleddog
>On Jun 30/2000 at 05:51 PM, sleddog wrote:
>
>>Sigh.
>
>Excuse me? What's with the sigh? I find Opera's behaviour in this
>respect extremely annoying, and anything BUT normal. This is the
first
>time I've posted here, and so I really don't understand the
frustration
>on your part?
Grin. There, is that better?
I 'sighed' because the whole MDI-windows-behaviour has been thrashed
out in these newsgroups before. It was nothing personal and I'm sorry
if it seemed so.
>>If you want subsequent Opera windows maximized, use it like your
word
>>processor
>
>That is what I'm trying to do. When was the last time you used your
>word processor and the documents were displayed as useless child
>widows?
Thursday. On Friday I used an MDI plaintext editor for an hour with
two tiled child windows. I frequently use Opera's abilty to "Ppen
links from this window" ... "In this window". Whether or not you work
in this fashion is partly personal preference, partly dependent on
your system (especially screen resolution).
>>If you want Opera to *start* with a single maximized window
>
>Who wouldn't ?? Look, this whole issue should not even have come up.
>Opera sells itself as a viable alternative to the two big browsers,
but
>that is false advertising if one has to go through all this nonsense
>just to have Opera open in a manner which should have been the
default
>behaviour.
Your forgot to add 'IMO' -- 'In My Opinion'. You are entitled to your
opinion of how Opera *should* work, but please don't assume it is
shared by everyone else.
>By the way, I tried your method, and although I have met with
limited
>success, I do appreciate your taking the time to answer my question.
As pointed out by another poster to this thread, there is one issue
that may be considered a bug or design flaw. Namely, after
configuring Opera to open with a maximized child window, it will
still start with a 'normal' sized window if called for the first time
from another application.
--
sleddog
sleddog
>On Sat, 01 Jul 2000 00:51:22 GMT, sle...@operamail.com (sleddog)
>wrote:
>
>>If you want Opera to *start* with a single maximized window, then
>>open one (blank) window, maximize it, then click 'Windows > Save
>>windows settings'.
>
>This will work for a normal start, but it won't solve his problem:
if
>you click an url in e.g. your mail editor Opera still opens a non
>maximized window.
There is one workaroud I've found for this, but it requires that:
1. Opera is set as the system default browser for http (and https
if desired).
2. Your mail client or other app is set to use the system default
browser (i.e., is not explicitly configured to use Opera).
3. You modify the windows registry key for
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\http\shell\open\command removing the switches
/nowin /e
For example, mine was:
"D:\Programs\Opera4\Opera.exe" /nowin /e
I changed it to:
D:\Programs\Opera4\Opera.exe
4. Opera is configured to start with "Saved windows", and one blank
window has been saved.
This is how my system is configured. When called from another
application for the first time, Opera will open the requested URL in
a maximized window, as well as the saved blank window (behind the
requested URL window).
--
sleddog
Martin B. Brilliant
Opera opened with a small window, 1/3 the size of the screen, when
called by a click on a URL. Some people pointed out that opening with
a non-maximized window is normal, and some said they would rather have
a maximized Opera window. But nobody seems to have addressed the
crucial question: what determines the size of the non-maximized window
that Opera normally opens with?
I, for one, don't want Opera maximized. I want a large non-maximized
window, so I can see the desktop and the edges of other windows
without any extra clicking. And that's what I have. No matter how I
call Opera, I have a non-maximized window that occupies almost the
whole screen. And I don't have Opwic.
What I want to know is: if you don't have Opwic, what determines the
size of the Opera window when it opens?
On 1 Jul 2000 03:48:24 GMT, rags__A@T__math.mcgill.ca (R.A.G. Seely)
wrote:
>andr...@home.com (Nick Andriash) wrote in <8jj7np$eja$1...@elektra.opera.no>:
>
>>Anyway, I suppose I'll have to load OpWic, although I do remember using
>>that application some time back, and found it most confusing to set up.
>>I'll have a look on Opera's home page, as I remember seeing something
>>about it there.
>
>When you get your copy of Opwic, put the following five lines in a file
>called opwic.cfg (in the same directory as opwic.exe)
>
>f4
>s2
>p1
>i
>v2
>
>This will give you a good simple configuration, and it'll be entirely
>invisible (you won't see any opwic window anywhere!) - after a while you'll
>forget you even have it. You can experiment a while for fancier settings
>if you like. And if you feel the need to control the opwic behaviour, you
>can run opwitray.exe as well. But try the cfg above, and put Opwic.exe in
>your startup folder to get rid of those small windows that bug you.
>
>-= rags =-
>
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><rags AT math.mcgill.ca>
><http://www.math.mcgill.ca/rags>
Marty
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Ford
<snip>
> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\http\shell\open\command removing the switches
> /nowin /e
You should be able to do remove the switches from the file associations
without having to edit the registry.
--
Ford
Ford
> I 'sighed' because the whole MDI-windows-behaviour has been thrashed
> out in these newsgroups before. It was nothing personal and I'm sorry
> if it seemed so.
He didn't know that and it hasn't been discussed in awhile. There's
going to be alot of new users around the NGs. You might not want to be
sighing at every issue that's been discussed before.
> >>If you want subsequent Opera windows maximized, use it like your
> word
> >>processor
> >That is what I'm trying to do. When was the last time you used your
> >word processor and the documents were displayed as useless child
> >widows?
>
> Thursday. On Friday I used an MDI plaintext editor for an hour with
> two tiled child windows. <snip>
When I open a document in WordPerfect, which is a MDI application, from
Explorer or clicking on a shortcut or a hypertxt link, it opens the
document maximized.
--
Ford
Ford
<snip>
> size of the Opera window when it opens?
From what I recall, the question's been asked quite a few times before,
but never answered directly. There are settings in the opera.ini that
may control the window size. There used to be a NG regular who worked
out how to change the settings, but it took quite a bit of trial and
error. In fact, he may have been responsible for OS putting them in the
ini.
I'd like to know how you managed to get O to open with a large, non-
maximized window?
--
Ford
sleddog
>In article <7c1a.395d...@oldguy.komatik.org>, sleddog said:
>
>> I 'sighed' because the whole MDI-windows-behaviour has been
thrashed
>> out in these newsgroups before. It was nothing personal and I'm
sorry
>> if it seemed so.
>
>He didn't know that and it hasn't been discussed in awhile. There's
>going to be alot of new users around the NGs. You might not want to
be
>sighing at every issue that's been discussed before.
Wow, it's getting pretty strict around here... if sighing is frowned
on.
There's a wealth of information in these groups and if I recall
correctly they are kept quite a ways back. But if users, new or old,
don't use this resource -- i.e., search and read -- then Opera may as
well delete all messages older than, say, last week.
--
sleddog
Brett Tabke
Not to walk on this thread, but did you notice that you no longer
take a performance hit when running maximized and switching mdi
windows like you do with 3.62? (which was the primary reason for
using a 3rd party window controller).
Ford
> There's a wealth of information in these groups and if I recall
> correctly they are kept quite a ways back. But if users, new or old,
> don't use this resource -- i.e., search and read -- then Opera may as
> well delete all messages older than, say, last week.
You know as well as I do, how tedious it can be searching through ...
let's see ... 16683 and counting news group messages, given the quality
of search engines. If you feel that a question's been sufficiently
covered, you are certainly free to ignore it.
--
Ford
Ford
>
> Not to walk on this thread, but did you notice that you no longer
> take a performance hit when running maximized and switching mdi
> windows like you do with 3.62? (which was the primary reason for
> using a 3rd party window controller).
I've never had much in the way of resources problems with O, except with
Java. Most of my apps are struggling these days since I've finally
overloaded my "old" P-133, so I can't fairly judge what is going on with
O. I'll have a new PC, though, as I can finally convince myself that I
really need it. :) I'm not totally looking forward to it, as I recently
replaced the office machines with P3-600 to 800's running Win98 and am
shocked at how slow they are.
--
Ford
ras...@usa.net
> On Sat, 01 Jul 2000 00:51:22 GMT, sle...@operamail.com (sleddog)
> wrote:
>
> >If you want Opera to *start* with a single maximized window, then
> >open one (blank) window, maximize it, then click 'Windows > Save
> >windows settings'.
>
> This will work for a normal start, but it won't solve his problem: if
> you click an url in e.g. your mail editor Opera still opens a non
> maximized window.
My Opera has even wearder behaviour. When I click an url in any aplication Opera just starts but it doesn't open any windows. But if Opera is allready running it opens page with no problem. Is there any way to correct this?
Josef W. Segur
>I am totally mystified by all of this. The original problem was that
>Opera opened with a small window, 1/3 the size of the screen, when
>called by a click on a URL. Some people pointed out that opening with
>a non-maximized window is normal, and some said they would rather have
>a maximized Opera window. But nobody seems to have addressed the
>crucial question: what determines the size of the non-maximized window
>that Opera normally opens with?
The Windows code for MDI opens new windows in cascaded size unless a
previous window is maximized. The basic scheme is to start at two
thirds of the available space vertically, then adjust slightly so an
integer number of windows will fit in the vertical space with their
title bars showing. Horizontal sizing is adjusted to match.
Opera 4 has added code to overcome that default behavior, activated
by the 'Maximize new window if appropriate' option. That works as
desired when opening a new blank window or using the Direct addressing
function. What's needed now is to get it applied to opening any window
when there are no other windows open. That seems appropriate to me.
--
Joe
rich
>
>The Windows code for MDI opens new windows in cascaded size unless a
>previous window is maximized. The basic scheme is to start at two
>thirds of the available space vertically, then adjust slightly so an
>integer number of windows will fit in the vertical space with their
>title bars showing. Horizontal sizing is adjusted to match.
One way to see this in action is to watch the windows load in the System
Configuration Editor (Win95 and Win98)
At Start|Run type: sysedit
sleddog
Thanks.
Sigh.
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sleddog