Opera and Nokai Communicator 9290
David Bergerson
suggested installed Opera. I downloaded Opera 5.14 for symbian. There were
2 sis files and when I tried to install either one, I got an incompatible
installer version. Am I to assume that there is no version for the 9290?
Thanks,
dave
Peter Fjelsten
> Ok, I am frustrated with the browser that came with my 9290.
> Nokia suggested installed Opera.
???
AFAIK The browser in 9290 _is_ Opera - or maybe it is just in 9210i.
Anyway 5.12 won't work. Go to this site to read how you can legally
install Opera 6 for Epoc <http://www.my-communicator.com>
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Eik
> David Bergerson:
> > Ok, I am frustrated with the browser that came with my 9290.
> > Nokia suggested installed Opera.
> AFAIK The browser in 9290 _is_ Opera - or maybe it is just in 9210i.
> Anyway 5.12 won't work. Go to this site to read how you can legally
> install Opera 6 for Epoc <http://www.my-communicator.com>
Installing Opera onto the 9290's internal drive whist it's already
installed in ROM may not be a good idea.
If you would explain what problems you're having with your 9290
perhaps someone can help you with them?
Just to make sure you're using Opera, and haven't installed Web 2.2
from somewhere, can you go into the browser and check the "About"
option and see what it says about the app?
Peter Fjelsten
> Installing Opera onto the 9290's internal drive whist it's already
> installed in ROM may not be a good idea.
(aren't you following up to the wrong post?)
David Bergerson
I wasn't trying to install a copy that was not "legal." My point of
frustration with the 9290 is that the browser that is installed has very
limited javascript support. I need a browser that supports javascript a tad
better :) Why? The 9290 is useles on 90% of the US financial/brokerage
sites.
So after calling Nokia, they suggested Opera, and I downloaded the symbian
version.
I have no idea whether or not it is Opera or not installed on my 9290. If
it's on "disk" or rom, honestly doesn't matter to me. I just need something
that works.
I will try the tricks that my-communicator suggests.
Thanks,
dave
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Eik
> My point of
> frustration with the 9290 is that the browser that is installed has very
> limited javascript support.
> So after calling Nokia, they suggested Opera, and I downloaded the symbian
> version.
The browser you are already using *is* Opera. It's in the ROM of
the 9290 which is why it's not a good idea to install it again on
the internal disk.
Opera has good support for ECMAscript (standardised Javascript),
secure connections, cookies and HTML/CSS which makes it fully
capable of accessing secure services - providing those
services don't use broken or proprietary standards which only work
in IE/NS.
Poorly designed sites that mindlessly block Opera are far less
common these days, however they're still around (as you'll see in
the other Opera newsgroups).
Have you complained to the bank, or mentioned them to Nokia?
Ree-Yees
>The browser you are already using *is* Opera. It's in the ROM of
>the 9290 which is why it's not a good idea to install it again on
>the internal disk.
If the browser that comes on my 9290 is indeed opera than it is some ancient
hunk of unk version. I have many site that i browse to that do not contain
any javascript or css and they still show up TERRIBLY on my 9290.
I did the my-communicator trick to install the opera from the SDK, and many
menu options are even different. It works wonderfully on every site ive
tried. Even javascript work on it correctly!
--Cameron
Peter Fjelsten
> I did the my-communicator trick to install the opera from the SDK,
> and many menu options are even different. It works wonderfully on
> every site ive tried. Even javascript work on it correctly!
This is _very_ strange to me. It sounds as it Opera is not in the ROM
of your 9290 phone. Have you contacted Nokia about this - it sounds
like a mistake (provided you are sure you have the 9290 and not the
9210 :)?
Peter Karlsson
> If the browser that comes on my 9290 is indeed opera than it is some ancient
> hunk of unk version. I have many site that i browse to that do not contain
> any javascript or css and they still show up TERRIBLY on my 9290.
You can check if it is Opera by trying to load one of the special documents,
such as "opera:history" or "opera:cache". If they fail, you are not running
Opera.
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Dag Olav Norem
> David Bergerson:
>
> > Ok, I am frustrated with the browser that came with my 9290.
> > Nokia suggested installed Opera.
>
> ???
>
> AFAIK The browser in 9290 _is_ Opera - or maybe it is just in 9210i.
Opera is only in the 9210i. The 9290 has a different browser.
Dag Olav
Opera Software
Dag Olav Norem
> David Bergerson <da...@phantom.net> wrote:
>
> > My point of
> > frustration with the 9290 is that the browser that is installed has very
> > limited javascript support.
>
> > So after calling Nokia, they suggested Opera, and I downloaded the
> > symbian version.
We do not provide a version to download and install for the 9210 or 9290.
Nokia support should not have suggested Opera (unless they referred to the
"hack" with the SDK, which I seriously doubt they would and probably do not
even know about).
The Symbian versions downloadable from our web site will not work on the
92xx. Our Symbian OS pages have not been updated in quite a while as they
are really only relevant for Psion users so I can understand that there has
been some confusion.
> The browser you are already using *is* Opera. It's in the ROM of
> the 9290...
No, it's not. Opera is in the ROM of the 9210i, not the 9290.
Dag Olav
Opera Software
Eik
I am aware of that now (after checking with someone at Nokia),
however both the Opera Website and the Nokia USA pages previously
stated that Opera was to be included with, or would be available
for,
the 9290 as well as the 9210i.
Since then, the references to the 9290 have been removed from opera.
com (although you missed one on http://www.opera.com/embedded/ - "
Browse with Opera on the Nokia 9210i/9290 Communicator").
Likewise, the references on nokiausa.com have been removed, however
some of them remain in Google's cache:
http://www.google.com/search?qÊche:tnfVxHF7HIwC:www.nokiausa.com/
communicator/software/downloadableapps+nokia+9290+opera+browser&hlen&start5&ieUTF-8
Another cached page has now been overwritten however here's a quote
from a saved copy of the old page:
"...The Nokia 9290 Communicator comes with applications already
loaded that allow you to become productive the first time you start
the Communicator. Here are some of the pre-installed applications.
* Real Player
* Opera Web Browser
* Snake EX
* File Viewers..."
Also, from an Opera press release:
"Opera was included as default Web browser in the new Nokia 9210i
launched at CeBIT in March, and in the Nokia 9290 launched last
week in the US."
Opera being included with the 9290 has been mentioned on various
sites (including Infosync) as a result of this. The 9290 has also
been cited as a device which runs Opera by Opera employees on other
groups.
I would not presume that either Opera Software or Nokia set out to
mislead people deliberately, however I think clearly the
left hand did not know what the right hand was doing in this case.
OS is still very much geared for Windows when it comes to support
and PR/marketing. (Just an observation, no offense intended.)
Dag Olav Norem
> Dag Olav Norem <d...@opera.com> wrote:
> > On 12 Jul 2002 12:36:32 GMT, "Eik" <us...@unknown.addy> wrote:
> > > The browser you are already using *is* Opera. It's in the ROM of
> > > the 9290...
>
> > No, it's not. Opera is in the ROM of the 9210i, not the 9290.
>
>
> mislead people deliberately, however I think clearly the
> left hand did not know what the right hand was doing in this case.
You have done your research. Yes, there was some confusion around this on
both sides. I'll take care of the one on the embedded pages.
> OS is still very much geared for Windows when it comes to support
> and PR/marketing. (Just an observation, no offense intended.)
Working on it. No offense taken.
Dag Olav
Dag Olav Norem
>
> Are you able to elaborate on why it's not available. As a 9290 user,
> it would be great to switch to the far superior Opera 6.0. Frankly,
> I'll pay for a copy if you release it.
>
This is not easy to do while still respecting NDA's, but here is a try. If
something is unclear or unanswered, read the previous sentence one more
time ;)
The Opera browser for the 92xx-series is a product developed by Opera and
Nokia. It is currently (14/8/02) only shipping on the Nokia 9210i. It may or
may not ship on future versions of other Nokia products.
With regards to after market sales for the 9210 and 9290, this is not at
Opera's sole discretion. If (*if*) it was my decision, I would probably
decide not to make a version available due to the limited memory available
on these devices. Users who are not aware of how to deal with this would
likely suffer a poor user experience and be disappointed with the browser.
Symbian OS is a key focus for Opera Software. We are working hard to make
sure that you will be able to surf with Opera on more mobile devices in the
future. Your interest and support is greatly appreciated.
--
Dag Olav Norem
Opera Software
msheehan
a number of websites that I hit that I have problems with. Alot of our
internal websites use Javascript which is making this unusable for our
users. I've read through the thread and was wondering if anyone knows of
any other web browser for the 9290 that supports Javascript. I too, would
be willing to pay for it.
Thanks.
Maryann
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