Opera 7.50 Preview 2 for Windows available
Tim Altman
discuss the new version in opera.beta and in the my.opera.com Beta
Testing forum. Please do not distribute the download link directly,
but link to the post in opera.beta or in the my.opera.com Beta Testing
forum.
Due to the experimental nature of this release, upgrading a previous
Opera installation is not recommended.
Download Preview 2:
http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/o750tp2_3613.exe (build 3613)
=== Major New Features ===
* Chat Revisited *
Every aspect of Opera Chat has been improved. There's a new identd
server to make connecting to IRC easier. We've fixed several other
usability bugs with Opera Chat. You can now add IRC nicknames for
your contacts and they'll show up in the Chat panel when they're
online or away. Right-clicking in the Chat panel gives you the
opportunity to set your away status. Don't forget to join us at
#opera on irc.opera.com for some great chat!
* Favicons in Bookmarks *
Having trouble finding bookmarks? Opera now saves favicons in the
Bookmarks panel, Bookmarks menu, and Personal bar. It's easier than
ever to find the bookmarks you're looking for.
* M2 Optimized *
Building on the success from 7.50 Preview 1, we've polished M2 so it's
ready for general use. We've fixed several problems that could lead
to message loss. We've sped up reindexing, importing, downloading
messages, reading messages; well, just about everything. It's now
easier to mark messages as spam and marking messages as "Not spam"
doesn't add a new contact. New mail notification is now more clear,
too. Clicking on the notification tooltip will open your Unread view.
The Mail panel selector button will show the number of messages in
your Unread view and is highlighted when there's new mail since last
you looked. Take the new M2 for a spin, we're sure you'll like her.
* Start Panel 2.0 *
While still experimental, the Start panel has come a long way. The
Start panel is now fully customizable. You can drag buttons and edit
fields there, so you can make it suit your needs. And the slim and
maximized Start panels can be customized with different buttons and
fields. Got a search you think everyone should know about? You can
make it a link on your web page that others can drag to their Start
panel!
* Transfers Made Easier *
To keep useless information about downloads out of your face until you
can actually use the file, we've made it so the Transfers panel
doesn't open automatically. The Transfers button in the panel
selector now includes the time remaining and the number of downloads.
And when a download completes, a tooltip lets you know and the
Transfer panel selector button is highlighted.
* Panels Improved *
The panels are now more usable and flexible. Maximized panels have
different toolbar buttons than slim panels. And they have additional
columns, providing usual information. The History panel, for
instance, will tell you the pages you've visited most in the
Popularity column. To make it easier to get info from the panels into
Opera's work space, single clicking on panel items now activates them.
Want to hide the panel selector to get a little more work space? No
problem, just put your mouse at the edge of Opera's window, click, and
it gets hidden.
A detailed list of changes will soon be available at
http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detail.
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James Howe
> Opera 7.50 Preview 2 for Windows is available for download. As usual,
> discuss the new version in opera.beta and in the my.opera.com Beta
> Testing forum. Please do not distribute the download link directly,
> but link to the post in opera.beta or in the my.opera.com Beta Testing
> forum.
>
> [...]
Sounds good. When installing the preview release, which files can be
safely used from Opera 7.23, particularly configuration related files?
Can I bring over my entire Mail folder, or should I build my e-mail
accounts from scratch? Can I bring over wand files, etc.?
Thanks.
--
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Tim Altman
<op...@wingspread.imap-mail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:17:15 +0100, Tim Altman <add...@in.sig> wrote:
>
>> Opera 7.50 Preview 2 for Windows is available for download. As usual,
>> discuss the new version in opera.beta and in the my.opera.com Beta
>> Testing forum. Please do not distribute the download link directly,
>> but link to the post in opera.beta or in the my.opera.com Beta Testing
>> forum.
>>
>> [...]
>
>Sounds good. When installing the preview release, which files can be
>safely used from Opera 7.23, particularly configuration related files?
>Can I bring over my entire Mail folder, or should I build my e-mail
>accounts from scratch? Can I bring over wand files, etc.?
Wand.dat and your Mail folder (make sure you delete the existing
one first) should be fine. Copying toolbar.ini is not recommended.
SD
half as wide..
SD
Tables interfere with CSS Rollover effects..
http://smarthouse.med.virginia.edu/index.php?content=2
(Move mouse over red/green/orange circles)
Not a problem in 7.23 / other browsers. Was a problem in 7.5 P1
-----------
Also I dont like the blank space on the left. It's too wide.
SD
Toman
> A detailed list of changes will soon be available at
> http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detail.
Actually, it's
http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detailed ;)
May I suggest something, Tim? Use <strong> around very important new
things. (Like M2 no longer being a dll.) Will probably help people later
(and make search-engines notice it more).
Looking forward to installation, many cool usability improvements.
--
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(@operamail.com)
jid=to...@jabber.dk
http://toman.blogspot.com/
"Don't confuse democracy with freedom"
Michael A Chase
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:17:15 +0100, Tim Altman <add...@in.sig> wrote:
> ...
>> A detailed list of changes will soon be available at
>> http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detail.
>
> Actually, it's
> http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detailed ;)
>
> May I suggest something, Tim? Use <strong> around very important new
> things. (Like M2 no longer being a dll.) Will probably help people later
> (and make search-engines notice it more).
They must be reading your comments. It's #detail now.
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Give a hobbit a ring and he eats fish for an age.
Bill Hallman
It seems that the profile/menu/standard_menu.ini does not override the
default in Opera 7.5p2.
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Intel740 pv4.0.
Steve Gunhouse
Which parts would be difficult? Of course, you now have extra toolbars for
the expanded panels, any other changes we should be aware of? I don't
really want to re-customize my toolbars if I don't have to.
Steve Gunhouse
> * Favicons in Bookmarks *
> Having trouble finding bookmarks? Opera now saves favicons in the
> Bookmarks panel, Bookmarks menu, and Personal bar. It's easier than
> ever to find the bookmarks you're looking for.
Any easy way to get favicons into the old bookmarks? Need to recreate each
one so that the favicon gets added? :(
> * Start Panel 2.0 *
> While still experimental, the Start panel has come a long way. The
> Start panel is now fully customizable. You can drag buttons and edit
> fields there, so you can make it suit your needs. And the slim and
> maximized Start panels can be customized with different buttons and
> fields. Got a search you think everyone should know about? You can
> make it a link on your web page that others can drag to their Start
> panel!
Getting there ...
> * Panels Improved *
> The panels are now more usable and flexible. Maximized panels have
> different toolbar buttons than slim panels. And they have additional
> columns, providing usual information. The History panel, for
> instance, will tell you the pages you've visited most in the
> Popularity column. To make it easier to get info from the panels into
> Opera's work space, single clicking on panel items now activates them.
> Want to hide the panel selector to get a little more work space? No
> problem, just put your mouse at the edge of Opera's window, click, and
> it gets hidden.
Not sure I like being forced to use the "Single click interface". Glad it
was made easier for others, but is there now a setting to disable it?
Let me add something which qualifies as a "wish-list" item ... in 6.x
after a crash, you had the option to change some settings before resuming
the prior session (at least, I recall that in the Linux version back when
the Netscape default plugin was giving me problems). If a page crashes or
locks up Opera, it might be nice to disable Javascript, Java, plugins, or
change network settings before trying to reload it.
Toman
wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:39:00 +0100, Toman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:17:15 +0100, Tim Altman <add...@in.sig> wrote:
>> ...
>>> A detailed list of changes will soon be available at
>>> http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detail.
>>
>> Actually, it's
>> http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detailed ;)
>>
>> May I suggest something, Tim? Use <strong> around very important new
>> things. (Like M2 no longer being a dll.) Will probably help people later
>> (and make search-engines notice it more).
>
> They must be reading your comments. It's #detail now.
I IRC'ed Tim at irc.opera.com...
Rafał Chłodnicki
> Any easy way to get favicons into the old bookmarks? Need to recreate
> each one so that the favicon gets added? :(
Just revisit site. This will add icon into bookmark.
> Not sure I like being forced to use the "Single click interface". Glad
> it was made easier for others, but is there now a setting to disable it?
In your Opera6.ini file:
[HotlistWindow]
Hotlist Single Click=0
--
Rafał
al barth
- I can't find a way to turn on the account selector drop-down.
- selecting a view which is already selected yields a dark blue background
with slightly lighter blue text
Clean install into new directories.
Peter Burkhard
> - I can't find a way to turn on the account selector drop-down.
Go to the Icon Mail in the panel and then you see "Account"
Peter
Brian L Johnson
> Not sure I like being forced to use the "Single click interface". Glad
> it was made easier for others, but is there now a setting to disable it?
I think one reason that I'm going to like the single-click interface is
that it's actually just like a web-psage -- which, in a browser, is pretty
much what I expect. <g>
The *main* reason, though, is that the double-click (or, actually, 'two
clicks') interface was annoying because it didn't seem to be consistent.
One click would open a collapsed list in one instance, but not in
another. Sometimes it seemed that it took 2 separate clicks to open a
list or select an item. Most peculiar. Now, though, a single click does
everything and there's nothing I've found so far that's caused me to say,
"Oh, stupid thing! I didn't want *that*!" ;)
--
--blj--
Tim Altman
There are additional buttons on many toolbars, i.e. spell check
in the compose window. Also, the functions of some buttons have
changed, like the maximize and minimize buttons in the panel toolbars.
The counters in the Mail and Transfers panels might not work, too.
Tim Altman
wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:09:46 -0800, Michael A Chase <mch...@ix.netcom.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:39:00 +0100, Toman wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:17:15 +0100, Tim Altman <add...@in.sig> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> A detailed list of changes will soon be available at
>>>> http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detail.
>>>
>>> Actually, it's
>>> http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detailed ;)
>>>
>>> May I suggest something, Tim? Use <strong> around very important new
>>> things. (Like M2 no longer being a dll.) Will probably help people later
>>> (and make search-engines notice it more).
>>
>> They must be reading your comments. It's #detail now.
>
>I IRC'ed Tim at irc.opera.com...
Ahh, the power of IRC. :)
Tim Altman
<svgun...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:17:15 +0100, Tim Altman <add...@in.sig> wrote:
>
>> * Favicons in Bookmarks *
>> Having trouble finding bookmarks? Opera now saves favicons in the
>> Bookmarks panel, Bookmarks menu, and Personal bar. It's easier than
>> ever to find the bookmarks you're looking for.
>
>Any easy way to get favicons into the old bookmarks? Need to recreate each
>one so that the favicon gets added? :(
Simply visiting the bookmark should pull in the favicon.
[...]
>> To make it easier to get info from the panels into
>> Opera's work space, single clicking on panel items now activates them.
[...]
>Not sure I like being forced to use the "Single click interface". Glad it
>was made easier for others, but is there now a setting to disable it?
Instructions for disabling this behavior are in the detailed
changelog.
Ralph Friedman
> * Transfers Made Easier *
> To keep useless information about downloads out of your face until you
> can actually use the file, we've made it so the Transfers panel
> doesn't open automatically. The Transfers button in the panel
> selector now includes the time remaining and the number of downloads.
> And when a download completes, a tooltip lets you know and the
> Transfer panel selector button is highlighted.
still would like to see transfers operate as it did in O6, it has only lost
functionality since then.
--
Regards,
Ralph
Manni Heumann
> still would like to see transfers operate as it did in O6
Is there anybody out there who wouldn't appreciate the *option* to have the
transfers window back? Anybody?
Manni
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
> It seems that the profile/menu/standard_menu.ini does not override the
> default in Opera 7.5p2.
Should it? You can choose to use a custom menu in the Prefs, but it might
be smart to use a different filename (and title inside the ini file) to
avoid confusion.
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It can absorb as much time as | Documentation & QA
is required to ensure that you | Opera Software ASA
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Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
> These two issues came to light within the first minute of use:
> - I can't find a way to turn on the account selector drop-down.
The account selector is now a normal widget that can be added to a toolbar
from the 'Customize toolbars' dialog.
> - selecting a view which is already selected yields a dark blue
> background with slightly lighter blue text
The text is only blue when you hover above the item. This is caused by the
new 'single-click' default. This is a small problem, but presumably you
read it before moving the mouse pointer on top of it.
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
I don't care much anymore, will all the new notifications. My Windows
taskbar is hidden, so if the Opera window isn't visible I don't get the
info anyway.
fuxs
Sure, loads, including me! What is a pity: I do not feel like discussing
the whole panel issue from scratch again...
--
fuxs
Manni Heumann
> I do not feel like discussing
> the whole panel issue from scratch again
That's why I said "option". There is no need for any discussions. Why not
have the panel _and_ the transfers window? I don't see how these two are
mutually exclusive.
Manni
Manni Heumann
> I don't care much anymore, will all the new notifications. My Windows
> taskbar is hidden, so if the Opera window isn't visible I don't get the
> info anyway.
I don't get this. When Opera isn't visible you don't get the info anyway? Are
you telling me to close Opera to solve the problem?
Manni
Lars Sölter
> That's why I said "option". There is no need for any discussions. Why not
> have the panel _and_ the transfers window? I don't see how these two are
> mutually exclusive.
The only thing they have to do: Make every panel content optional displayed
in a page or window.
Regards, Lars
Kevin W.
> another.
It would just highlight it if it was not already highlighted and open it
if it was already highlighted. For me, it still does. The only
difference I see (other than the hover effect) is that if I'm in a
webpage, a single-click on an AP will now either open a new mail window,
or the leftmost existing one.
> Now, though, a single click does everything
Not for me. Say the All messages tree is open, but "All messages" is not
selected. Click on "All messages". It does nothing but highlight it.
IMO, it should collapse it.
--
Kevin W :-)
Opera/CSS/webdev blog: http://www.exclipy.com/
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
I'm telling that when I'm doing something else (working in a spreadsheet,
writing HTML pages, something outside Opera) while Opera is downloading, I
don't keep an eye on my downloads. In Opera 6 you could still keep an eye
on them by focusing the transfer window before switching to another
application. That way, the remaining download time was visible on the
Opera tab on the Windows taskbar - if you don't have the Windows taskbar
set to autohide, as I usually do.
Now with preview 2, I get a notification that pops up when the downloads
have finished. I think that will be enough for me.
SD
>>That's why I said "option". There is no need for any discussions. Why not
>>have the panel _and_ the transfers window? I don't see how these two are
>>mutually exclusive.
they could give maximised panels their own page tab and I think that
would be close enough atleast for me..
Manni Heumann
> In Opera 6 you could still keep an eye
> on them by focusing the transfer window before switching to another
> application. That way, the remaining download time was visible on the
> Opera tab on the Windows taskbar
OK, now I got it. I'm a bit slow from time to time.
Thanks,
Manni,
who doesn't autohide his taskbar and would appreciate the remaining time to
be visible in the taskbar.
SD
> -----------
> Tables interfere with CSS Rollover effects..
> http://smarthouse.med.virginia.edu/index.php?content=2
> (Move mouse over red/green/orange circles)
>
> Not a problem in 7.23 / other browsers. Was a problem in 7.5 P1
> -----------
>
> Also I dont like the blank space on the left. It's too wide.
>
> SD
>
CSS rollover in 7.23:
http://128.143.106.221/o723.jpg
CSS rollover in 7.5p2 (probably happens because of table), havent seen
it happen otherwise..
http://128.143.106.221/o75p2.jpg
al barth
wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:37:29 -0600, al barth <al.b...@mindspring.comb>
> wrote:
>
>> These two issues came to light within the first minute of use:
>> - I can't find a way to turn on the account selector drop-down.
>
> The account selector is now a normal widget that can be added to a
> toolbar from the 'Customize toolbars' dialog.
>
Ugh! It was very late when I posted. Amazing what some sleep and coffee
will do for you. The widget appears by default if the hotlist mail panel
is full screen and it is also a default button in the 'customize toolbars'
dialog. With the mail panel in narrow (left 1/3 of screen) mode the
widget does not show up without adding it via the dialog in which case it
is not part of the default button set. I see most panels have a different
button set in wide versus narrow mode.
Where I see an issue with this is when 'panel placement=floating' and
'panel selector=top'. In this config, panels use full screen real estate
but have toolbars buttons from the narrow mode, and I find no way to get
to 'wide' mode. Also in this config the '>>' button does nothing. I
expected it to toggle the button set between narrow and wide modes.
>> - selecting a view which is already selected yields a dark blue
>> background with slightly lighter blue text
>
> The text is only blue when you hover above the item. This is caused by
> the new 'single-click' default. This is a small problem, but presumably
> you read it before moving the mouse pointer on top of it.
>
Agreed, but annoying nonetheless.
Steve Gunhouse
The two clicks was because you first had to focus the panel. Once the
panel had focus, a single click would expand or collapse a folder. They
have resolved that issue, but I'm used to double-clicking to actually open
bookmarks, or mail views, or ...
Steve Gunhouse
I hadn't customized any of those, I should probably be okay. But I'll
check the defaults to be sure.
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
..
> Where I see an issue with this is when 'panel placement=floating' and
> 'panel selector=top'. In this config, panels use full screen real
> estate but have toolbars buttons from the narrow mode, and I find no way
> to get to 'wide' mode. Also in this config the '>>' button does
> nothing. I expected it to toggle the button set between narrow and wide
> modes.
Yes, that's a bug. You should be able to get into the maximized mode in
the floating panels.
fuxs
..
>
>> Now, though, a single click does everything
>
> Not for me. Say the All messages tree is open, but "All messages" is
> not selected. Click on "All messages". It does nothing but highlight
> it. IMO, it should collapse it.
>
Ditto.
--
fuxs
David Gould
wrote:
>Actually, it's
>http://people.opera.com/tim/changelogs/w750p2.html#detailed ;)
Wow, you guys have been busy.
>May I suggest something, Tim? Use <strong> around very important new
>things. (Like M2 no longer being a dll.) Will probably help people later
>(and make search-engines notice it more).
Can you clarify whether M2 takes up memory or not if we don't use it?
I'm sure it's a great newsreader but I'm hooked on Agent 2.0 ;)
David Gould
Actually, panels are now working pretty much as I said they should back
when Opera first introduced them.
So naturally I think it's a beautiful bit of UI design. ;)
One small caveat tho:
If I click a link on a panel like CNN, it should become a page zoomed at
the default level (which for me is 150%, not 100%).
There's a bit of a bug on the panel heading - when I make the image size
bigger (configure toolbar), the panel shrinks... And yes, it's too big.
Josef W. Segur
I very much agree.
7.50p2 _can_ show the Transfers window, that is needed so it will remain
compatible with 7.23 session files. I insert such a session file to get
the window whenever I am doing nontrivial downloads.
The "useless information" comment in the announcement is very definitely
untrue for my dial-up connection.
--
Joe
Bill Hallman
wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:51:10 -0600, Bill Hallman <spamm...@127.0.0.1>
> wrote:
>
>> It seems that the profile/menu/standard_menu.ini does not override the
>> default in Opera 7.5p2.
>
> Should it?
I do not know, but it did, before.
Bill
--
Opera 7.50.3494, java 1.4.2_03, win95b, PII 400mhz, RAM 320meg, video
Intel740 pv4.0.
FV
> I think one reason that I'm going to like the single-click interface is
> that it's actually just like a web-psage -- which, in a browser, is
> pretty much what I expect. <g>
>
Well, as soon as you're used to it, it may be better than the old
situation. However, if the bookmarks are treated as links like the ones in
a webpage, they should work exactly the same way. Try to shift-click the
downmost bookmark in a series of 30 bookmarks in order to open it in a new
page and see what I mean...
Brian L Johnson
> Is there anybody out there who wouldn't appreciate the *option* to have
> the transfers window back? Anybody?
Yes, me.
But then, I'm probably one of those rare folk who actually /used/ the
panels in 7.5P1. I get the feeling that a lot of folk here simply
customised 7.5 to look as much as possible like 7.23 and then moaned when
bits of it wouldn't work as 7.23 did.
--
--blj--
Marko Koivuniemi
> Opera 7.50 Preview 2 for Windows is available for download. As usual,
> discuss the new version in opera.beta and in the my.opera.com Beta
> Testing forum. Please do not distribute the download link directly,
> but link to the post in opera.beta or in the my.opera.com Beta Testing
> forum.
>
> Due to the experimental nature of this release, upgrading a previous
> Opera installation is not recommended.
>
> Download Preview 2:
>
> http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/o750tp2_3613.exe (build 3613)
Wonderful work, again...
Now my Finnish netbank (www.sampo.fi) work again after problems with
TP1. Excellent.
--
T:pi Marko
Tim Altman
The majority of M2's memory footprint comes from storing messages
and other data in memory so that it's quickly and easily accessible.
If you don't have any messages in M2, the memory use should be
negligible.
--
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Customer Service
Opera Software
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fuxs
wrote:
Uh, bad english day... I meant it just the other way round of course. This
option would be highly appreciated!
--
fuxs
Manni Heumann
> Manni Heumann wrote:
>
>> Is there anybody out there who wouldn't appreciate the *option* to have
>> the transfers window back? Anybody?
>
> Yes, me.
What would be so bad about having the option? You could still use the panel.
You would never have to see the transfers window. OK, so I should have said
"who would mind", instead of "wouldn't appreciate".
Manni
fuxs
I use the panels exessively, as I use 7.5 only since P1, hence I have not
choice. And I am still not convinced... And I doubt I will be someday, as
the concept of maximized manage - panels is faulty IMO.
--
fuxs
Brian L Johnson
> I use the panels exessively, as I use 7.5 only since P1, hence I have
> not choice. And I am still not convinced... And I doubt I will be
> someday, as the concept of maximized manage - panels is faulty IMO.
I don't like the idea of maximized panels either. I probably won't use
them as they should be used, because I find that I can do my work within
the existing panel framework. Maximizing a panel to get at, say, the
telephone numbers of Contacts is something I don't think I'd ever need.
*One* contact's phone number? Yes. But ALL contacts? Never.
--
--blj--
Arioch
TA> changed, like the maximize and minimize buttons in the panel toolbars.
TA> The counters in the Mail and Transfers panels might not work, too.
Can Opera save my customisations not as final setting, but as a delta from
standard ?
Then i would never lost, say, advanced startup dialog on upgrade.
IMHO while You're workign on big changes - try to make one more little
revolution :-)
--
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With best regards, Arioch. the_A...@NM.falseDomain.ru
Arioch
i wish i could also customise context menus (via GUI abd drag-n-drop i mean)
:-)
1st i'd moved back 'Show toolbar at..' submenu to fight address toolbar's
habit to jump above the page :-)
Still no way to drag-n-drop of URL's in- and outside of Opera :-(
Is it that hard? i do not talk of one engine for all the platforms, but for
Windows it could help to cooperate with other programs. Then later KDE and
Gnome engines could be implemented.
......i dropped an HTML file inside Opera. I do not think that will act
differently from F2/type URL/Enter?
When i close panel selector - the Start panel slides out :-((((
When i close HTML - the last used panel is maximised (notes, in my case),
not Start panel.
No hotkey like F4 to show/hide panel selector.
'Setup toolbar' dialog do not show name of selected toolbar. :-((((
Disabled buttons on toolbar do not show their hints on mouseover :-(
.....and still i have to re-customise UI :-((((
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
..
> ......i dropped an HTML file inside Opera. I do not think that will act
> differently from F2/type URL/Enter?
>
> When i close panel selector - the Start panel slides out :-((((
> When i close HTML - the last used panel is maximised (notes, in my case),
> not Start panel.
>
> No hotkey like F4 to show/hide panel selector.
You can change F4 to do that again, or you can place the panel selector on
top of the panels, so collapsing panels equates hiding them. Likewise, you
can enable 'Allow empty background' in the Windows prefs to prevent the
panel to reappear on closing the last page in a window. These things have
not changed since preview 1.
> 'Setup toolbar' dialog do not show name of selected toolbar. :-((((
Yep.
> Disabled buttons on toolbar do not show their hints on mouseover :-(
? They do here.
> .....and still i have to re-customise UI :-((((
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Lars Sölter
> Still no way to drag-n-drop of URL's in- and outside of Opera :-(
> Is it that hard? i do not talk of one engine for all the platforms, but
for
> Windows it could help to cooperate with other programs. Then later KDE and
> Gnome engines could be implemented.
And by the way. When I grab an drag a text or image, I would expect to get
the text/image being droped at the destination and not the url. And
releasing a grabed opject in it's source window should do nothing.
Regards, Lars
Tim Altman
linking. Please do not distribute the download link directly, but
New download link:
http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/o750p2_3613.exe
Bob Bagwill
> The URL of this download has been changed due to external linking.
How about checking the referrer?
Dierk Haasis
> The URL of this download has been changed due to external
>linking. Please do not distribute the download link directly, but
>link to the post in opera.beta or in the my.opera.com Beta Testing
>forum.
Perhaps you shouldn't send out a press report to the biggest computer
mag in Germany? ;-)
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Arioch
>> When i close panel selector - the Start panel slides out :-((((
>> When i close HTML - the last used panel is maximised (notes, in my
>> case), not Start panel. No hotkey like F4 to show/hide panel selector.
RvG> You can change F4 to do that again,
I can, but i'm commenting default UI - if my points worth some cents - they
may help you to enhance opera.
If they do not - then i can learn how to treat Opera right way.
RvG> or you can place the panel selector on top of the panels,
Sorry? What? How ?
Currently both panels and p.selector are on the left, selector is at the
very edge, the panels are between it and pages.
When i dbl-click over blue bar on the left edge, both panels and selector
dis- and reappear.
Alas not with keyboard :-(
PS: i wish that after panels appeared, blue bar for closing them appeared
not only at the edge of program, but also bee cloned at the splitter between
panels and html.
Like in Acrobat Reader 6 - i get used to it, and IMHO they are right.
In their logic that blue bar is not a kind of button, but rather an active
border of the panel - so when panel slides itself out, it's border is moved
too.
RvG> 'Allow empty background' in the Windows prefs to prevent the panel to
RvG> reappear on closing the last page in a window.
Let it be - i ain't sure what will i think of it after get used.
I want just quick way to hide them during surfing.
RvG> changed since preview 1.
i dead upgrade over 7.23 :-)
BTW, F4 is now extremely slow (on my ancient Toshiba Tecra 550, iP266MMX
160Mb, Win2000, S3 Virge video, Soft modem (that brakes noticeably)) - i
wish after concept became stable, there'd be some caching to speed up F4 :-)
RvG> Yep.
Rijk, does this mean misfeature is acknowledged, and You put a note
somewhere to keep it?
I can't easily make a bugreport, cause i'm mostly offline.
If Opera had some way to fill the form offline, then wait until i'm online
and auto-post it then, then one could just save bugtracker form to HDD and
file a report whenether it is comfort - and Opera will post them later, next
time i'm online.
....dreams.... :-)
>> Disabled buttons on toolbar do not show their hints on mouseover :-(
RvG> ? They do here.
Style: big images, images and text below them, no wrapping, effects are ON
That button like slash-oriented stick between Home and New - is it password
manager?
I expected that when i click on the button, it will be found in Panel Setup
Dialog - or button info/help will be shown in the dialog some other way.Alas
i can only describe picture and location :-)
So, when i move mouse over enabled butotns. like New or Home, the picture
becomes brighter, and the name of button expands from the pixel below button
to normal text. Very beautiful feature of Opera 7.
But when i move mouse over disabled button (for example launch Opera, empty,
and drop some HTML fiel to it - Back and Forward buttons are senseless and
disabled) - it is still pale (and that is OK) and no text is expanded below
it (i'd prefer some disabled-style text, maybe without slow expanding - just
show at flash and disappear at flash) - that makes me only wonder what is
this certain disabled button?.
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Arioch
A>> When i close HTML - the last used panel is maximised (Notes, in my
A>> case), not Start panel.
RvG> them. Likewise, you can enable 'Allow empty background' in the
RvG> Windows prefs to prevent the panel to reappear on closing the last
RvG> page in a window.
Let it reappear, but let it be Start panel!!!
The glitch is that the panel reapperaing is any poanel, whatever i used
last.
What the sense to see, say, Info panel without the page itself? :-)
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
> Hello, Rijk!
>>> When i close panel selector - the Start panel slides out :-((((
>>> When i close HTML - the last used panel is maximised (notes, in my
>>> case), not Start panel. No hotkey like F4 to show/hide panel selector.
..
>> or you can place the panel selector on top of the panels,
>
> Sorry? What? How ?
Right-click on the panel selector bar (which is not the same thing as the
panel itself), and choose 'Panel selector placement > Top' from the
context menu. This was supposed to be made easier in preview 2 by adding
this explicit context menu option :)
> Currently both panels and p.selector are on the left, selector is at the
> very edge, the panels are between it and pages.
Ok...
> When i dbl-click over blue bar on the left edge, both panels and selector
> dis- and reappear.
> Alas not with keyboard :-(
Indeed. If you manage to get the selector on top F4 will do what you want.
> PS: i wish that after panels appeared, blue bar for closing them appeared
> not only at the edge of program, but also bee cloned at the splitter
> between panels and html.
> Like in Acrobat Reader 6 - i get used to it, and IMHO they are right.
> In their logic that blue bar is not a kind of button, but rather an
> active border of the panel - so when panel slides itself out, it's
> border is moved too.
Yeah, lots of applications work that way. But it requires some precise
mouse pointing, while the outer edge is much easier to reach (at least
which a maximized application window).
>> 'Allow empty background' in the Windows prefs to prevent the panel to
>> reappear on closing the last page in a window.
>
> Let it be - i ain't sure what will i think of it after get used.
Please tell. I'm still not sure I ever want auto-maximizing panels.
> I want just quick way to hide them during surfing.
>> changed since preview 1.
> i dead upgrade over 7.23 :-)
>
> BTW, F4 is now extremely slow (on my ancient Toshiba Tecra 550, iP266MMX
> 160Mb, Win2000, S3 Virge video, Soft modem (that brakes noticeably)) - i
> wish after concept became stable, there'd be some caching to speed up F4
> :-)
>
>> Yep.
> Rijk, does this mean misfeature is acknowledged, and You put a note
> somewhere to keep it?
Probably, but I don't see what you are referring to - you seem to have cut
too much of the quote :)
..
> That button like slash-oriented stick between Home and New - is it
> password manager?
That is the magic wand to fulfill your wishes. Well, only one wish at this
moment.
> I expected that when i click on the button, it will be found in Panel
> Setup Dialog - or button info/help will be shown in the dialog some
> other way.Alas i can only describe picture and location :-)
If there are saved username/password pairs for a page (you will be offered
to save them when you send such a form), the form fields will get a golden
glow and the Wand button becomes enabled. You can then press the button to
enter the stored values and submit the form in one go.
> So, when i move mouse over enabled butotns. like New or Home, the picture
> becomes brighter, and the name of button expands from the pixel below
> button to normal text. Very beautiful feature of Opera 7.
> But when i move mouse over disabled button (for example launch Opera,
> empty, and drop some HTML fiel to it - Back and Forward buttons are
> senseless and disabled) - it is still pale (and that is OK) and no text
> is expanded below it (i'd prefer some disabled-style text, maybe without
> slow expanding - just show at flash and disappear at flash) - that makes
> me only wonder what is
> this certain disabled button?.
Works fine here, but I'm on Win98 were this works a little different to
begin with.
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
> Hello, Rijk!
>
>>> When i close HTML - the last used panel is maximised (Notes, in my
>>> case), not Start panel.
>
>> them. Likewise, you can enable 'Allow empty background' in the
>> Windows prefs to prevent the panel to reappear on closing the last
>> page in a window.
>
> Let it reappear, but let it be Start panel!!!
> The glitch is that the panel reapperaing is any poanel, whatever i used
> last.
> What the sense to see, say, Info panel without the page itself? :-)
Right!
Arioch
RvG> the context menu. This was supposed to be made easier in preview 2 by
RvG> adding this explicit context menu option :)
Aaahhh. i see. Old 6/x and 7.0x style.
Ok, i told i'm trying to use the new features of 7.5 - to avoid midtaking
unfamiliar things for uncomfort ones :-)
RvG> Indeed. If you manage to get the selector on
RvG> top F4 will do what you want.
Personally i like new style.
If F4 shows only selector and hides it - and if panel appearing would be
fast - that would be good defaults IMHO.
If only after F4 will show selector-without-panels later i will be able to
easily sho/hide wished panel by usual keyboard (maybe arrwos ? up/down for
select panel button, left/right to close/open panel).
RvG> Yeah, lots of applications work that way. But it requires some precise
RvG> mouse pointing, while the outer edge is much easier to reach (at least
RvG> which a maximized application window).
Let both ways be possible. They are not MutEx :-)
RvG> Probably, but I don't see what you are referring to - you seem to have
RvG> cut too much of the quote :)
Hmm, can't You just look at prev. message ?
Sorry, i've forgotten that You're answering to tons of similar messages.
Butthe q. was rather generic.
I described some issue, that hurted me and i expect to be the bug. You
answered "Yep"
What it was ? "I agree" ? "I acknowledge this is a bug"? "I grant You that
is a bug - but You are to put it into tracker Yourself" ? Or something other
?
RvG> get a golden glow and the Wand button becomes enabled.
RvG> You can then press the button to enter the stored values and submit
I expected so, but i use hte ">>" button to achieve this :-)
So why this is duplicated?
To be true i even use ">>" button very rare, mouse gestures rocks! :-)
RvG> Works fine here, but I'm on Win98 were this works a little different
RvG> to begin with.
w2k.
And maybe it is because of You have clean install?
If i only could tell why it works so - but AFAIR it ever worked in 7.xy that
way to me.
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
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> Personally i like new style.
> If F4 shows only selector and hides it - and if panel appearing would be
> fast - that would be good defaults IMHO.
But those who like to keep the selector always on, and only toggle the
panels on and off would then miss a shortcut. And this is the default
behavior that should be good enough for those new users who are not
inclined to change settings, at all.
IMHO, this is actually one of the biggest issues (together with the
missing transfer window) where the new interface makes it hard for the
old-time users to continue browsing as they always did. They can leave the
selector on the left (many old users do seem to like that layout), but
then F4 doesn't fully work as they expect...
> If only after F4 will show selector-without-panels later i will be able
> to easily sho/hide wished panel by usual keyboard (maybe arrwos ?
> up/down for select panel button, left/right to close/open panel).
That would be possible... You can try how this works now by showing only
the selector, panels collapsed, then press F7. Nothing seems to happen (no
visual feedback, which is bad), but by using the arrow keys, you can now
select the panels. They will open directly. But with the current way F4
works, you can get immediate access to the panel you collapsed last.
..
>> Probably, but I don't see what you are referring to - you seem to have
>> cut too much of the quote :)
> Hmm, can't You just look at prev. message ?
> Sorry, i've forgotten that You're answering to tons of similar messages.
And threading is rather broken in preview 2, which is a problem as this is
one of the longest currently running threads...
..
>> get a golden glow and the Wand button becomes enabled.
>> You can then press the button to enter the stored values and submit
>
> I expected so, but i use hte ">>" button to achieve this :-)
> So why this is duplicated?
I've removed the Wand button in my setup - but the Wand feature must be
easily discoverable.
Arioch
RvG> keys, you can now select the panels. They will open directly. But
RvG> with the current way F4 works, you can get immediate access to the
RvG> panel you collapsed last.
Then let it show panel but not selector then!
It is inconsistency: F4 is expected t obe a toggle, but
it shows both p[anel and selector
it hides only panel but not selector.
So it is toggler for Panel and only "show" for selector.
>> I expected so, but i use hte ">>" button to achieve this :-)
>> So why this is duplicated?
RvG> I've removed the Wand button in my setup
vote for this to be default.
PS: what about hints not showing for diabled buttons? was it reproduced on
some WinNT version?
Al Barth
wrote:
> Hello, Rijk!
>
> RvG> keys, you can now select the panels. They will open directly. But
> RvG> with the current way F4 works, you can get immediate access to the
> RvG> panel you collapsed last.
>
> Then let it show panel but not selector then!
>
> It is inconsistency: F4 is expected t obe a toggle, but
> it shows both p[anel and selector
> it hides only panel but not selector.
>
> So it is toggler for Panel and only "show" for selector.
>
>
> >> I expected so, but i use hte ">>" button to achieve this :-)
> >> So why this is duplicated?
> RvG> I've removed the Wand button in my setup
>
> vote for this to be default.
>
> PS: what about hints not showing for diabled buttons? was it reproduced
> on
> some WinNT version?
>
>
Based upon what is left above, this thread has been clipped to be *almost*
nonsense. Especially the last part. This isn't IM. Rant over.
WRT the F4, panels, and the selector, I have the panel selector set to off
since the upper left corner of panels has a dropdown which functions the
same. Then I moved the '>>' to the left side of said dropdown. This
works nicely in that the positioning for the panel wide/slim mode toggle
button never moves. Since I run Opera fully maximized I don't use the F4
much, usually do the left edge click instead. I have panel placement set
to left. I did have to set it all up and then do a File>Session>Save
Session for it all to be remembered correctly. :)
Arioch
One more inconsistency.
Bookmarks panel.
R-Click on free empty area below all entries - and there will be "Properties
(Alt+Enter)" menu item.
Choose it - and nothing happens.
IMHO it ether had to open panel properrties dialog here, or would be
disbaled if no bookmarks is selected.
PS: is there way to turn off that stupid 'one-click' style of bookmarks
panel? with GUI ? I think Bookmark Panel Properties (like otld abve) could
be good place for that.
Jonathan A.
<the_A...@nm.FalseDomain.ru> appears to have said:
> PS: is there way to turn off that stupid 'one-click' style of bookmarks
> panel? with GUI ? I think Bookmark Panel Properties (like otld abve) could
> be good place for that.
I don't think there's a way in the GUI (yet?), but in opera6.ini:
[HotListWindow]
Hotlist Single Click=0
Works for me.
HTH,
Jonathan
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Press report(?) for a preview? When did we do that?
fuxs
<haa...@opera-dot-com.invalid> wrote:
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>>
>> Perhaps you shouldn't send out a press report to the biggest computer
>> mag in Germany? ;-)
>
> Press report(?) for a preview? When did we do that?
For some reason the preview was announced on www.heise.de news. But they
did not post the DL - URL but linked to Tim's post at my.opera. For me the
article did not have the flavour of being based on an Opera - press
release.
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TS (Thomas Schiepek)
wrote:
Chip Online also had a direct link to PR2:
http://www.chip.de/downloads/c_downloads_8833503.html.
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Uwe Zimmermann
its chat. Others not having or using special chat programs could easily
reached. Though the chat in preview lacks features (e.g. a secure
connection to others at least in private chat mode) it is a real addition
to operas usability.
I hope that follow-up previews will be available too for interested
testers and that a final version is not too far away - as I am not running
into troubles anyway, by now.
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