Opera 7.10 beta3 available
Trond
Beep Beep,
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Beta 3 is cooked and ready.
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Please discuss this release in the opera.beta newsgroup, before submitting
bugs to our BTS (Bug Tracking System).
We recommend that you do not show it to your mother or install it over a
current version of Opera.
Download from
<URL:ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/710/beta3/en/std/ow32enen710b3.exe>
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Changlog since Beta 2:
- fix for progress status text
- a few focus fixes
- a few drag'n'drop fixes
- Alt-F4 fix
- fix for popup menu position in certain scenarios
- fix for certain dialogs not centered properly in multimonitor setup
- fix for adding duplicates to slideshow
- fix for open link in background window
- fix for pages inheriting settings
- fix for irritating flicker when minimizing browser window
- fix for choosing folders in prefs
- fix for validation dialog
- fix for border collapsing on colgroup
- fix for gestures in rare cases
- fix for mouse-up causing that filetype dialog auto-clicking bug
- various fixes for floating hotlist
- fix for scrollwheel in web panel affecting active document
- added single global tooltips option
- fixed the minimal_toolbar.ini print button bug
- fix for default button in cookie dialog
- added action "focus panel" .. assigned ctrl+1 -> ctrl+9 to the panels
that have that position in the default setup
- print button shows print dialog again until we find out what caused it to
fail without it.
- .. and all those things I for some reason don't bother to mention..
Opera 7.1 is going final soon. As you can see, it's mostly UI fixes going
in now.
Non-UI Core improvements and fixes are scheduled for 7.2.
The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
way of browsing an annoying experience.
BTW: Progress bar graphics will of course return before final, so don't
bother mentioning it :)
Trond.
Jor
21:36:30 +0200:
>
> Beep Beep,
> Â
> Beta 3 is cooked and ready.
And I just was getting comfortable with beta two! Do you guys know how much
extra work you are giving me, getting used to a new version of my favourite
browser each time? ;-)
I really love the speed at which the Opera programmers work, thanks very
much for these public betas!
(Downloads...)
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Jor
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Selenites are lunatics!
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SD
i was tired of doing that in every version 7..
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Mark V
>
> Beep Beep,
> Â
> Beta 3 is cooked and ready.
> Â
> Please discuss this release in the opera.beta newsgroup, before
> submitting bugs to our BTS (Bug Tracking System).
>
> We recommend that you do not show it to your mother or install it
> over a current version of Opera.
>
> Download from
> <URL:ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/710/beta3/en/std/ow32enen710
> b3.exe> Â
FYI
I got a prompt for authentication (logon) when going directly to that
link....
Starting from /pub/ and walking down the tree worked fine.
Jor
GMT:
> FYI
> I got a prompt for authentication (logon) when going directly to that
> link....
>
> Starting from /pub/ and walking down the tree worked fine.
See <URL:news://news.opera.no/opera.beta/37167> /
<oprm9ykrau44dqw9@localhost> by Opera's Olafur Arnason:
"Actually you get this because of a little bug in Opera. You should get a
message saying "the maximum amount of visitors have been exceeded" or
something. Our ftp server is a bit populare right not, that's the case.
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A bug has been reported on the wrong dialog usage.."
Lutz-Peter Hooge
> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
-Opera 7.1b doesn't show the content of title attributes
(neither as a tooltip nor in the status bar).
-the settings under preferences>history&cache>check images still are ignored:
Opera ALWAYS sends a if-modified-since request to the server :-(
Theses are the two bugs wich annoy me the most in 7.1
Lutz-Peter
Tim Altman
>
>Beep Beep,
>Â
>Beta 3 is cooked and ready.
Would someone be kind of enough to tell me what build this is?
Thanks. :)
Jor
16:10:21 -0400:
> Would someone be kind of enough to tell me what build this is?
> Thanks. :)
Build 2830.
Arioch /BDV/
...while the fading voice of Jor whispered through the darkness:
J> See <URL:news://news.opera.no/opera.beta/37167> /
I've heard recently that such an URL is not standard.
To specify news-server and/or message number one is to use NNTP prefix
instead of NEWS.
Though Outlook Express anyway fails with such an url - seems it mistakes
last term be message-id always, though it can be message no :-(
--
If i had ears, i'd heard np: none
With best regards, Arioch /BDV/. E-mail: the_Arioch<at>nm<dot>ru
Jor
21:36:30 +0200:
> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
That can be narrowed down to one bug: no support for TITLE on any element
except hypertext anchors.
I make HEAVY use of this :(
Is this planned to be fixed for the release?
Other than that, for me there is no reason to not use 7.10 as it is :-)
Jor
2003 00:15:21 +0400:
> I've heard recently that such an URL is not standard.
> To specify news-server and/or message number one is to use NNTP prefix
> instead of NEWS.
I am trying to find the news spec, but haven't been able to yet. I wonder
what it says there.
> Though Outlook Express anyway fails with such an url - seems it mistakes
> last term be message-id always, though it can be message no :-(
You mean like news://news.opera.no/oprm4itk...@news.opera.com ? (As
seen on <URL:http://jimmy.qmced.ac.uk/~jimnews/urlsdemo.htm>)
Posting it this way to see how Opera handles it.
Trond
> except hypertext anchors.
> I make HEAVY use of this :(
>
> Is this planned to be fixed for the release?
>
> Other than that, for me there is no reason to not use 7.10 as it is :-)
Will be fixed.
Dines Justesen
> in now.
> Non-UI Core improvements and fixes are scheduled for 7.2.
> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
I am still unable to see my old emails in M2! I spend a long time importing
all my emails from Outlook to M2, and now they are all going to disappear
if I upgrade to 7.1. When changing to M2 I decided to keep a copy of all
emails (even new ones) in Outlook, just to make sure that I would not loose
them all. I had been waiting for M2 and decided to register once i saw O7,
but what good is an email program were emaisl are lost every time you
upgrade?
I know that other people are having the same problems, is OS really going
to release a verion of Opera which menas that lots of people who spent
their time importing emails into M2 will loose all their emails? Is "bugs
or behavior that makes your desired way of browsing an annoying experience"
really more important than loosing all your emails? This problem NEEEDS to
be solved before the final release.
Dines
BTW It would be nice if some one from OS would respond to this problem,
will it be fixed before the final?
BTW2 I did file a bug report as soon as I saw the problem, but somehow that
did not help.
--
Dines Justesen
Arioch /BDV/
...while the fading voice of Trond whispered through the darkness:
T> way of browsing an annoying experience.
My 2 cents:
when image is not loaded yet (show images: cached only) i cannot examine
image properties!
why? The URL is already known! mime-type may be told by file extension or
maybe by http HEAD command. Image size may be told from img-tag parameters
or shon as "N/A". Alt parameter is also wanted to be shown there.
And i want to be able to copy both Alt and Src URL to clipboard.
Trond
> I am still unable to see my old emails in M2! I spend a long time
> importing all my emails from Outlook to M2, and now they are all going to
> disappear if I upgrade to 7.1. When changing to M2 I decided to keep a
> copy of all emails (even new ones) in Outlook, just to make sure that I
> would not loose them all. I had been waiting for M2 and decided to
> register once i saw O7, but what good is an email program were emaisl are
> lost every time you upgrade?
>
> I know that other people are having the same problems, is OS really going
> to release a verion of Opera which menas that lots of people who spent
> their time importing emails into M2 will loose all their emails? Is "bugs
> or behavior that makes your desired way of browsing an annoying
> experience" really more important than loosing all your emails? This
> problem NEEEDS to be solved before the final release.
>
> Dines
>
> BTW It would be nice if some one from OS would respond to this problem,
> will it be fixed before the final?
> BTW2 I did file a bug report as soon as I saw the problem, but somehow
> that did not help.
You're saying that an install of 7.1 on top of 7.03 causes old mail to
disappear?
Trond.
Tim Altman
<darkelf-at-ope...@nosp.am> wrote:
>Hear ye, hear ye! Let it be known that Tim Altman wrote on Mon, 07 Apr 2003
>16:10:21 -0400:
>
>> Would someone be kind of enough to tell me what build this is?
>> Thanks. :)
>
>Build 2830.
Thanks!
Arioch /BDV/
...while the fading voice of Jor whispered through the darkness:
J> I am trying to find the news spec, but haven't been able to yet. I
Oooh! Nither could i.
But i will point to nntp://news.opera.no/opera.beta/36932
PS: seems anyone posting this branch want to overrun the rest :-)
Why not to spent 10 second for DEL button ? :-)
Arioch /BDV/
J> You mean like news://news.opera.no/oprm4itk...@news.opera.com ? (As
Wow! works fine!
though i meant nntp://news.opera.no/oprm4itk...@news.opera.com
But if i will try in OE
nntp://news.opera.no/opera.beta/36932
it will tell me 'no such article' - and the log shows it send to server
command 'ARTICLE <36932>'
So guess OE do not know that there may be article number, not only
message-id.
More funny is reaction for news://news.opera.no/opera.beta/36932
it will told you 'No such newsgroup "opera.beta/36932"' !!! :-)
It was surprise to see news-prefix with message-id working.
PS: to be trou i use Fidolookm but guess this is not the place where it
overrides default OE.
René Stach
> You're saying that an install of 7.1 on top of 7.03 causes old mail to
> disappear?
Not exactly. Some people reported that in 7.10 beta older mail
disappered or was not accessible anymore. They didn't say that the
update 7.10 over 7.03 caused this. I remember a thread about this:
"[7.10b1] M2 - Formerly imported messagebodies gone" in opera.beta
on 3.4.2003: <oprm2orv...@news.opera.com>
René
Trond
>
>> You're saying that an install of 7.1 on top of 7.03 causes old mail to
>> disappear?
>
> Not exactly. Some people reported that in 7.10 beta older mail disappered
> or was not accessible anymore. They didn't say that the update 7.10 over
> 7.03 caused this. I remember a thread about this:
When 7.1 goes final, it is advised to install on top, and I suggest
beta testers should try this also, but make a copy of the mail dir first,
just to be sure.
Of course, we just say this to be safe.. I have installed on top
every alpha since early autumn and never had much problems.
Trond.
Jor
22:30:38 +0200:
> You're saying that an install of 7.1 on top of 7.03 causes old mail to
> disappear?
Doesn't happen for me. Installing a copy of 7.10 b3 over a copy of 7.03
does not hurt the mail in any way, it just gets confusing to find out which
files are actually used by Opera, and which are now not needed.
OS Windows XP Professional, single user install.
Tim Altman
I copied my mail directory from 7.03 to another directory and
changed the Mail root directory and all the directories in the
accounts.ini and index.ini file to point to the new directory. All my
IMAP mail came up fine but the mail that I had imported all said
"Message body not found".
René Stach
> When 7.1 goes final, it is advised to install on top, and I suggest
> beta testers should try this also, but make a copy of the mail dir first,
> just to be sure.
>
> Of course, we just say this to be safe.. I have installed on top
> every alpha since early autumn and never had much problems.
I think it is more than just installing 7.10 over 7.03. Somehow it
seems that only imported mails are affected. But maybe you can
figure out what the cause might be if you read the whole thread
yourself. Maybe Frode or Johan should look into this issue to make
sure it is not a bug that will affect >100 people when 7.10 is
finally released.
René
René Stach
> I copied my mail directory from 7.03 to another directory and
> changed the Mail root directory and all the directories in the
> accounts.ini and index.ini file to point to the new directory. All my
> IMAP mail came up fine but the mail that I had imported all said
> "Message body not found".
When you have a look into the mail files with a text editor, can
you find any significant difference between imported mail and mail
that was received by Opera?
René
albor
>> To specify news-server and/or message number one is to use NNTP prefix
>> instead of NEWS.
>
> I am trying to find the news spec, but haven't been able to yet. I wonder
> what it says there.
RFC1738 3.6 & 3.7
--
Alexei Borissov
Jor
04:23:59 +0700:
> RFC1738 3.6 & 3.7
Thanks...
I quote: "Note that while nntp: URLs specify a unique location for the
article resource, most NNTP servers currently on the Internet today are
configured only to allow access from local clients, and thus nntp URLs do
not designate globally accessible resources. Thus, the news: form of URL is
preferred as a way of identifying news articles."
Now if I read this right, that means using news: to refer to a news message
is allowed, and preferred.
You are probably correct in that nntp://<host>:<port>/<newsgroup-
name>/<article-number> should not be written with news, but the spec does
not REALLY say so, iianms...
fuxs
>> Trond wrote:
>>
>>> You're saying that an install of 7.1 on top of 7.03 causes old mail to
>>> disappear?
> Of course, we just say this to be safe.. I have installed on top
> every alpha since early autumn and never had much problems.
>
> Trond.
>
I came accross this bug the 7.1 branch has handling imported eMails (mbox
and OE). It made me spend some hours trying to recover my mails. Had backed
them up but I really wanted to know, what was wrong... Thanks to SAITO it
works for me now.
Happened for me with clean install of 7.1b1/2/3 or install over 7.03 (with
no release before):
M2 seems to work with temporary accounts in accounts.ini, when importing
mail. Handling of this account-type might have changed with the 7.1
releases. I could bring mailbodies back to display, by setting the
'temporary=1' key to zero. Within an other installation I had to hack the
ini some more, as the import - account was kindly and coldheartedly killed
by M2 in the [Accounts] - section. See thread
oprm2orv...@news.opera.com, as Rene mentioned before.
Is all mail just organized in accounts? Do I delete my mails, when I drop
an account, just like newsposts are deleted then??
--
fuxs
Staahl Kasthaug
>> Opera 7.1 is going final soon. As you can see, it's mostly UI fixes
>> going in now.
>> Non-UI Core improvements and fixes are scheduled for 7.2.
>> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
>> way of browsing an annoying experience.
>
> I am still unable to see my old emails in M2! I spend a long time
> importing all my emails from Outlook to M2, and now they are all going to
> disappear if I upgrade to 7.1. When changing to M2 I decided to keep a
> copy of all emails (even new ones) in Outlook, just to make sure that I
> would not loose them all. I had been waiting for M2 and decided to
> register once i saw O7, but what good is an email program were emaisl are
> lost every time you upgrade?
>
> I know that other people are having the same problems, is OS really going
> to release a verion of Opera which menas that lots of people who spent
> their time importing emails into M2 will loose all their emails? Is "bugs
> or behavior that makes your desired way of browsing an annoying
> experience" really more important than loosing all your emails? This
> problem NEEEDS to be solved before the final release.
>
> Dines
>
When opening an old mail the textfield says
"Message body not downloaded"
--
Staahl Kasthaug
W2KSP3, Opera 7.10 Build 2830, NIS 2002
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
pb
> Download from
> <URL:ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/710/beta3/en/std/ow32enen710b3.exe>
I keep getting an authorization query. And first going up to
/pub, as did Mark V, does not help.
pb
No problem in IE.
Mark V
news:eb049vo5ck03cn3u9...@4ax.com:
It was said that it is a bogus msg. and that it really happens when too
many users are connected....no more connections available.
BTW when I tried, I _started_ at /pub/ and worked down. But it may be
that a server connection was available at that very moment...
--
(Opera Win32 7.10beta3-2830)
(W2K, SP3; Sun JRE 1.4.0-b92)
pb
>> I keep getting an authorization query. And first going up to
>> /pub, as did Mark V, does not help.
>
> It was said that it is a bogus msg. and that it really happens when too
> many users are connected....no more connections available.
>
> BTW when I tried, I _started_ at /pub/ and worked down. But it may be
> that a server connection was available at that very moment...
That makes sense, because IE also didn't work the first time I
tried it. Probably just timing.
Headless
>> Oh dear, for me that's going to be a hard choice between 7.0bork and
>> 7.10, to many new bugs and irritations have been introduced. I think a
>> lot of use were hoping for a version that reimplemented 6.0x features
>> and fixed a few pet bugs from 7.0x.
>
>Well that, by and large, is what 7.1 has delivered, hasn't it? Quite a lot
>of rendering bugfixes, the majority (as in over half) of the O6
>functionality missing from 7.0 restored, and very few new bugs that don't
>look the sort that will be easily fixed by 7.1 final.
YMMV, but 7.10 is not what I hoped for. Bugs have been solved, but new
ones have appeared, so for me it's a choice of which bugs/features I
find more irritating, currently it's the 7.10 bugs/features that annoy
me most as I was able to work around most 7.0x bugs.
Headless
Rachid Finge
> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
It's not really a bug I want to discuss here, but more a small UI
enhancement which would make me a lot happier. It's about the small pop-up
banner which appears in the lower left corner when I revieve new mail. I'm
currently using 4 different IMAP-accounts. So when the banner shows me "1
received", I don't know which account! I'll actually have to check them out
all or use the "Unread" access point, however I prefer not to.
Would it be possible to add the account name in the banner? So it will ook
something like this: "1 received (Office)" or "2 received (Personal)". That
would make me _very_ happy and I guess lots of other people too.
There's another thing concerning this subject I'd like to request. I'd love
to see this banner which notifies me of new mail a bit bigger. Let's say
more in the style like Microsoft's MSN Messenger. Perhaps there should be
an option, so users can either select the current small banner or a larger
one.
Well, that were my two requests to make my browsing (and e-mailing!)
experience a lot more convenient. I'll be watching closely! :)
Kind regards,
Rachid Finge
Netherlands
--
Rachid Finge
> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
Another small glitch in M2: I'm currently on a pretty slow connection using
IMAP. Whenever I click on a message, it shows "Message body not downloaded"
and after some seconds, the message finally appears. However, I'm using the
option "Mark as read", which is set to three seconds. Suppose it takes 2
seconds to load the message itself, the message will be marked as read
after 1 second. I think Opera should start counting this 3 seconds after
the message is loaded, not when the user clicks on the mail itself in the
upper window. When the situations get really bad, it might even cause the
message to be marked as read while it never has been loaded on the machine!
Could someone tell me if this will be fixed?
Regards,
Headless
>Opera 7.1 is going final soon. As you can see, it's mostly UI fixes going
>in now.
Oh dear, for me that's going to be a hard choice between 7.0bork and
7.10, to many new bugs and irritations have been introduced. I think a
lot of use were hoping for a version that reimplemented 6.0x features
and fixed a few pet bugs from 7.0x.
Alas we again get new (trivial) features and thanks to those: new bugs,
wonderful. Why the rush?
>Non-UI Core improvements and fixes are scheduled for 7.2.
OMG, it get's worse, that means waiting months with only "security
fixes" until then? And when 7.20 comes along, yet more features, hence
new bugs ..., sigh.
>The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
>way of browsing an annoying experience.
Again: tooltips, 7.10 is like surfing without a popup stopper. I
currently trim huge title attributes to 60 characters with Proxomitron
to prevent large tooltip boxes popping up, but I can't do anything about
very long urls.
Currently I get huge tooltip boxes popping up when hovering over links
on sites that use very long urls, without having any say in the matter I
now get those tooltip boxes on every bleeding link on a page. Imagine a
setup with the status bar enabled, mandatory tooltips are a complete
waste of screen space in such a setup. I have the status bar disabled,
but I'd still love to get rid of the added tooltip features (whilst
retaining the old title tooltip functionality).
Someone in OS has gone tooltip mad, even bookmark folders and links now
have a tooltip, it shows the date of creation of the folder or link, how
useless it that?, and can we switch it off: no.
Tooltips are very distracting, they obscure content, the way they are
currently implemented is a huge and very basic UI faux pas.
Puhlease fix, give us control over these things, ini commands would be
fine by me.
Headless
Richard Grevers
wrote:
> Trond <tr...@opera.com> wrote:
>
>> Opera 7.1 is going final soon. As you can see, it's mostly UI fixes
>> going in now.
>
> Oh dear, for me that's going to be a hard choice between 7.0bork and
> 7.10, to many new bugs and irritations have been introduced. I think a
> lot of use were hoping for a version that reimplemented 6.0x features
> and fixed a few pet bugs from 7.0x.
Well that, by and large, is what 7.1 has delivered, hasn't it? Quite a lot
of rendering bugfixes, the majority (as in over half) of the O6
functionality missing from 7.0 restored, and very few new bugs that don't
look the sort that will be easily fixed by 7.1 final.
--
Matthew Winn
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
The title attribute isn't displayed except on links.
In MDI mode new pages open with the size of the last closed page. My
ideal behaviour would be for there to be some way of specifying the
initial size of new pages, while those opened as children of existing
pages should have the same size as their parent (as the parent is likely
to have been sized correctly for the site).
When "show window size" is used the size should be shown in the title
bar only, not in the page bar buttons.
--
Matthew Winn
Peter Fjelsten
> In MDI mode new pages open with the size of the last closed page.
> My ideal behaviour would be for there to be some way of specifying
> the initial size of new pages, while those opened as children of
> existing pages should have the same size as their parent (as the
> parent is likely to have been sized correctly for the site).
Seconded!
> When "show window size" is used the size should be shown in the
> title bar only, not in the page bar buttons.
Precisely!
--
Peter Fjelsten AMD K7-700, 256 RAM, Matrox G550 Dual:
1600*1200 (32 bit, large fonts)
XP Prof US SP1 1280*1024 (32 bit, large fonts).
TheBat (SpamPal), Opera (Adsubtract), XNews, Kaspersky AVP, Kerio PFW.
Trond
> YMMV, but 7.10 is not what I hoped for. Bugs have been solved, but new
> ones have appeared, so for me it's a choice of which bugs/features I
> find more irritating, currently it's the 7.10 bugs/features that annoy
> me most as I was able to work around most 7.0x bugs.
What are these bugs/features that annoy you such much?
BTW, tooltips are optional.
Trond.
Headless
>What are these bugs/features that annoy you such much?
Keyboard/focus bugs, tooltips and broken headers in xhtml mode.
>BTW, tooltips are optional.
You broke the perfectly good non annoying tooltips from 7.0x, no way to
get that back with 7.1x. Only way to get rid of the newly added nonsense
is to switch them off altogether.
Headless
David Harden
> Opera 7.1 is going final soon. As you can see, it's mostly UI fixes going
> in now.
> Non-UI Core improvements and fixes are scheduled for 7.2.
> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
Lack of accelerator keys in the cookie display dialog. I'm used to
using alt-A to accept, alt-R to reject, and alt-C for the Action
dropdown.
While using & to assign accelerator keys in submenus works, they still
don't display properly. I still have to use && to get the accelerator
key to be underlined, and the second & still appears.
--
For every stupidity, there is an equal and opposite stupidity.
Dave Kendall
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 21:36:30 +0200, Trond <tr...@opera.com> wrote:
> > The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> > way of browsing an annoying experience.
>
> The title attribute isn't displayed except on links.
>
> In MDI mode new pages open with the size of the last closed page. My
> ideal behaviour would be for there to be some way of specifying the
> initial size of new pages, while those opened as children of existing
> pages should have the same size as their parent (as the parent is likely
> to have been sized correctly for the site).
Window size and placement is something I find very annoying in Opera
7. I'd much rather have it open all windows with a default size I've
specified, I find myself doing much more resizing in Opera 7 than in
Opera 6. I find the placement of windows can be a problem too, it's
inconsistent as sometimes windows open in the location of the last
closed window and sometimes they cascade like in Opera 6. Another
annoyance is that windows opened in the background all appear in a
stack without cascading, which means I have to do a lot more window
shuffling. Yet if I save and load the window session, the background
windows appear cascaded.
Actually for me the messed up window saving is the biggest irritation
since it's something I use all the time. Everytime I load a window
session I have to shuffle windows because they're out of order, and
re-minimise windows as it forgets which were minimised.
Tim Altman
wrote:
>Someone in OS has gone tooltip mad, even bookmark folders and links now
>have a tooltip, it shows the date of creation of the folder or link, how
>useless it that?, and can we switch it off: no.
They can be globally disabled in Mouse and keyboard Preferences.
I'm not suggesting this as a solution to the problem (we need finer
control of tooltips), but it might satisfy you.
Tim Altman
wrote:
>Trond <tr...@opera.com> wrote:
>
>>What are these bugs/features that annoy you such much?
>
>Keyboard/focus bugs, tooltips and broken headers in xhtml mode.
I know about F2 being broken (for some users). What other focus
issues are there? And what's the XHTML issue?
Van Grieg
>> Keyboard/focus bugs, tooltips and broken headers in xhtml mode.
>
> What other focus
> issues are there?
>
No focus on address field if it's not in the address bar, keyboard doesn't
work immediately if you switch to Opera from another application for some
users, closing a page with middle-click brings you to a previous page where
mouse doesn't immediately work.
--
Van Grieg
David Harden
> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
Text in the new Image Properties box doesn't wrap, which makes it
effectively useless for images with long URLs
Trond
> Lack of accelerator keys in the cookie display dialog. I'm used to using
> alt-A to accept, alt-R to reject, and alt-C for the Action dropdown.
>
> While using & to assign accelerator keys in submenus works, they still
> don't display properly. I still have to use && to get the accelerator
> key to be underlined, and the second & still appears.
While accelerators will return, you can simply press Return for accept/ok,
Esc for reject/cancel in any dialog.
And since the dropdown has focus when the cookie dialog pops up, simply
press
down arrow to open it.
Trond.
Erik Hendrix
ago (just after 7 when GA) with memory leaking and
javascript being slow. Up to now, this still has not been fixed although I
consider them to be major problems.
Thanks.
"Trond" <tr...@opera.com> wrote in message
news:oprm9x24m3mqnagl@localhost...
>
> Beep Beep,
>
> Beta 3 is cooked and ready.
>
> Please discuss this release in the opera.beta newsgroup, before submitting
> bugs to our BTS (Bug Tracking System).
>
> We recommend that you do not show it to your mother or install it over a
> current version of Opera.
>
> Download from
> <URL:ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/710/beta3/en/std/ow32enen710b3.exe>
>
> Changlog since Beta 2:
>
> - fix for progress status text
> - a few focus fixes
> - a few drag'n'drop fixes
> - Alt-F4 fix
> - fix for popup menu position in certain scenarios
> - fix for certain dialogs not centered properly in multimonitor setup
> - fix for adding duplicates to slideshow
> - fix for open link in background window
> - fix for pages inheriting settings
> - fix for irritating flicker when minimizing browser window
> - fix for choosing folders in prefs
> - fix for validation dialog
> - fix for border collapsing on colgroup
> - fix for gestures in rare cases
> - fix for mouse-up causing that filetype dialog auto-clicking bug
> - various fixes for floating hotlist
> - fix for scrollwheel in web panel affecting active document
> - added single global tooltips option
> - fixed the minimal_toolbar.ini print button bug
> - fix for default button in cookie dialog
> - added action "focus panel" .. assigned ctrl+1 -> ctrl+9 to the panels
> that have that position in the default setup
> - print button shows print dialog again until we find out what caused it
to
> fail without it.
> - .. and all those things I for some reason don't bother to mention..
>
> Opera 7.1 is going final soon. As you can see, it's mostly UI fixes going
> in now.
>
> Non-UI Core improvements and fixes are scheduled for 7.2.
>
> The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> way of browsing an annoying experience.
>
> BTW: Progress bar graphics will of course return before final, so don't
> bother mentioning it :)
>
> Trond.
>
Dines Justesen
> disappear?
Yes. Everything is working fine in 7.03, installing 7.10 on top of 7.03
makes all the emails I imported into O7 disappear. If I uninstall 7.10 and
start 7.03, no problem. Installing 7.10 to a new directory and chinging the
ini files to point to the old mail dir gives the same problems.
Some people suggested that it might be because Temporary was set to 1 and
setting it to 0 would solve the problem, but Temporary is 0 for all
accounts.
René wrote:
> Not exactly. Some people reported that in 7.10 beta older mail disappered
> or was not accessible anymore. They didn't say that
> the update 7.10 over 7.03 caused this.
Installing 7.10 over 7.03 does cause this.
And:
> When you have a look into the mail files with a text editor, can you find
> any significant difference between imported mail and mail that was
> received by Opera?
Yes, mail received by opera is stored in DOS format (CR+LF), imported mails
used DOS format for most lines, but several lines in each imported email
does not use both CR and LF. Changing the file so CR+LF is used in all
places does however not make the emails return. All emails are preced by a
line which list the name of the person who sent the email and the date it
was sent, but for imported emails the date is the date the email was
imported. In addition the order in which the headers occur is not the same
(and as opera is not even displaying the full header of the email maybe
this is part of the problem).
Dines.
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Dines Justesen
fuxs
Dines,
did you try hacking your accounts.ini like suggested down in thread
'Formerly imported messagebodies'? Worked for SAITO and me, maybe for you
too. At least to bring back your messges into view.
-- fuxs
Dines Justesen
> 'Formerly imported messagebodies'? Worked for SAITO and me, maybe for you
> too. At least to bring back your messges into view.
It doesn't work for me, "temporary" is already correct.
Dines
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Dines Justesen
fuxs
I did not mean the 'temporary'-key. M2 kills necessary entries in the
[Accounts] - section of accounts.ini. After restoring the account there as
described below in mentioned thread, you might be able to view your mails.
--
fuxs
David Harden
So it does. I'm so used to using alt-C to give it focus that I hadn't
noticed.
Mark V
news:fb169vkp2i43rqgqa...@4ax.com:
And another: ALT+Spacbar does not consistently bring up the
application's System Menu.
Mark V
>
>> Lack of accelerator keys in the cookie display dialog. I'm used
>> to using alt-A to accept, alt-R to reject, and alt-C for the
>> Action dropdown.
>>
>> While using & to assign accelerator keys in submenus works, they
>> still don't display properly. I still have to use && to get the
>> accelerator key to be underlined, and the second & still appears.
>
> While accelerators will return, you can simply press Return for
> accept/ok, Esc for reject/cancel in any dialog.
"Accelerators will return" I hope that means that "&" is a user-
specifiable flag that can be used, well, everywhere. Currently there
are two problems as I see it. 1) Lack of accelerators entirely in
many areas. 2) The auto-assignment of accelerators in menus using
the "first available non-used letter" which IMO is not the best
method at all.
>
> And since the dropdown has focus when the cookie dialog pops up,
> simply press
> down arrow to open it.
>
> Trond.
--
David Harden
> In article <oprm9x24m3mqnagl@localhost>, Trond wrote:
> > The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> > way of browsing an annoying experience.
> Text in the new Image Properties box doesn't wrap, which makes it
> effectively useless for images with long URLs
Fixed, more-or-less, by editing dialog.ini to add some height and
change the field which shows the image address from Edit to
MultilineEdit.
David Gould
>Beta 3 is cooked and ready.
Hey, you guys are a real whizz in the kitchen. Guess you were preparing
all the ingredients and now are just tossing them into the pot. ;)
I'd say you're nearly there for 7.10. Doesn't have to be perfect, just
has to be a lot better than 7.03...
Of course, 7.1x bug fixes will be appreciated.
Wolfram Humann
> > The most wanted feedback now is bugs or behavior that makes your desired
> > way of browsing an annoying experience.
>
> ideal behaviour would be for there to be some way of specifying the
> initial size of new pages, while those opened as children of existing
> pages should have the same size as their parent (as the parent is likely
> to have been sized correctly for the site).
Fully agreed! And I still don't really understand the placement of new
windows in O7. Seems to be related to the last closed window. Why
should that be usefull? O6 met my intuitive expectations much better.
Dines Justesen
> [Accounts] - section of accounts.ini. After restoring the account there
> as described below in mentioned thread, you might be able to view your
> mails.
I had a look at accounts.ini, the looks like this:
[Accounts]
Account1=1
Account2=2
Account3=3
Account4=5
Next Available Id=7
Count=4
Default Mail Account=5
Default News Account=2
The rest of the file defines 6 account. I installed beta3 again and tried
editing the account section, i tried several different combinations, but
could not get opera to display my emails. Is there a way to find out which
of the two accounts that are not used that contains imported emails?
I think the reason that opera shows to extra account is that when I first
imported my emails opera crashed, so I deleted all the messages and
imported them again. (M2 shows all imported emails twice, but taht might be
because they were deleted from the my folders and not the recevied access
point). So since both the extra acounts probably contain the imported
emails adding Account5=4 should work, but it does not.
Dines
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Dines Justesen
fuxs
>> I did not mean the 'temporary'-key. M2 kills necessary entries in the
>> [Accounts] - section of accounts.ini. After restoring the account there
>> as described below in mentioned thread, you might be able to view your
>> mails.
>
> I had a look at accounts.ini, the looks like this:
>
> [Accounts]
> Account1=1
> Account2=2
> Account3=3
> Account4=5
> Next Available Id=7
> Count=4
> Default Mail Account=5
> Default News Account=2
>
> The rest of the file defines 6 account. I installed beta3 again and tried
> editing the account section, i tried several different combinations, but
> could not get opera to display my emails. Is there a way to find out
> which of the two accounts that are not used that contains imported
> emails?
Try and error. If the below described worked, the other account might be
useless. I had trouble, for whatever reason, deleting those seemingly
unused accounts from accounts.ini.
>
> I think the reason that opera shows to extra account is that when I first
> imported my emails opera crashed, so I deleted all the messages and
> imported them again. (M2 shows all imported emails twice, but taht might
> be because they were deleted from the my folders and not the recevied
> access point).
Maybe some mails where really imported twice in spite of your crash...
> So since both the extra acounts probably contain the imported emails
> adding Account5=4 should work, but it does not.
>
> Dines
You might try this while Opera is closed:
[Accounts]
Account1=1
Account2=2
Account3=3
Account4=5
Account5=6 (added. Did you try Account5=4 with a changed count-value?)
Next Available Id=7
Count=5 (changed +1 for one added account)
Default Mail Account=5
Default News Account=2
Hope this helps!
--
fuxs
Dines Justesen
Thanks for you help. Before I had the time to try your suggestions Johan
posted a link to build 2840, and it solves the problem, so no need to hack
the ini files anymore!
Dines
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Dines Justesen