Re: [Talk-ee] OSM: Buss/tramm/troll Tallinnas
Jaak Laineste
I put cc to Estonian local email list, as this is not for me to decide, but general community should agree on this. My personal understanding is that there is no explicit permission from Tallinn City Government (or Transpordiamet), so this data should be considered as unclean. I personally would not complain if you would delete them (and remap them manually). Better less and community maintained data, than more but unmaintained.
We had a meeting with Estonian Open Data people (http://www.opendata.ee/) in Estonian Road Administration (Maanteeamet) who has done http://www.peatus.ee (which by the way has also http://www.peatus.ee/estonia/stops.txt for all of Estonia). They were generally very open to provide the data and had no principal objections. For http://maakaart.ee/opentransit/ they gave even postgres exports from their database. But they have limited technical capability to provide API or some better form of data. However, as typical government agency they were quite shy to provide any formal confirmation that we can use their data.
Actually I would not hurry with mass importing any data, as in longer run I would like to keep human-generated and external sources clearly apart, using for example http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenMetaMap . This would enable to have shared maintenance of the data: by both official sources and community.
Jaak
On 03.10.2011, at 14:03, Bartosz Fabianowski wrote:
> Hi Jaak
>
> I recently started mapping in Tallinn. My girlfriend lives here and so I am around the city a lot. My main interest is public transport. I noticed that all bus/tram/trolley stops have been mapped, based on a file found on the tallinn.ee web server. The stops carry these tags:
>
> copyright = © 2002-2007 Tallinna Transpordiamet
> source = http://soiduplaan.tallinn.ee/cache/stops.txt
>
> I asked the mapper who imported the stops (verbatium). His reply indicated a very unfortunate misunderstanding of the way copyright works:
>
> "I think this is open source data, bcs it is free accesible in the internet, and there nothing about author or copyright"
>
> However, he also said I should contact you as you may know whether the city of Tallinn has given permission (or will give permission in the future) for their stop data to be used. Do you happen to know anything about this? If the data is found unclean, I would rather find out sooner than later so I can start replacing stops after surveying them.
>
> Thanks,
> - Bartosz Fabianowski
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