Transposing/changing capo/variations confusion

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Ian Gray

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Oct 18, 2025, 10:03:02 AMOct 18
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Hi Gareth et al,

I'm trying to get my head around variations. Specifically, what I'm trying to do is this:

  • I have a song which is normally in D, with no capo
  • I want to have it in a set in E, but with a capo change so I'm still playing D chords. If I go into it from the set and transpose it, it creates a variation. That's great. However, if I then edit it to change the capo setting, it takes me back to the original untransposed song.
  • So... how do I transpose *and* change the capo for a variation?

Co-incidentally, I notice that if I try to create a duplicate of the song by doing a long press on the song in the song list, choose Actions, choose Duplicate, the app crashes.

Cheers!

Ian

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Gareth Evans

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Oct 18, 2025, 10:35:22 AMOct 18
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Hi Ian,

You've got the right idea about the variation, but not quite the correct type.
If you transpose a song in a set, it creates a temporary transpose variation - this means it loads the original song, then transposes on the fly.  This song will always be based on any edits to the original song.
To do what you want, you need to have a song that you can edit in the set.  This requires a normal variation.  To do this, add the song to the set in the normal way, then in the set list, click on the edit button next to the song.  You will see a switch to convert the song to a variation.  This creates a variation song that is embedded into the set file, so if you later load that set file back up (or share it), the song variation is also restored.  Any edits to this song are applied to the variation file - you can edit the lyrics, sequence, chords, capo, etc. without changing your original song file.  Now that you've converted the song to a variation, go to the transpose page and change the key.  You can then edit the song (you will be told you are editing the variation now, not the original) and set the capo to 2.

You can obviously create a duplicated song and transpose that, however, you'd end up with a huge database of duplicated songs.

I've had a look at the duplicate option and can't see a crash at my end.  Feel free to share your crash log with me (go to Settings > About > App usage logs > Share crash log) and select your email application -  it will let me see what caused your crash. 

Best wishes,

Gareth

PS I've got a new release almost ready to roll, so if your crash report comes in quickly I can try to add a fix, but if not, it'll go into the next release.

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Ian Gray

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Oct 18, 2025, 11:24:57 AMOct 18
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Excellent, got it, thanks!

Crash log sent.

Cheers,

Ian

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