Re: [Freebase-discuss] Attribution Questions
Thad Guidry
perhaps once you find out the setup for attribution template ?
http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Attribution_(writes)
And regarding attribution using Google Refine, if Alex tried uploading
again with Refine (I noticed he tried a few uploads) could the Source
ID hold his SeaVox attribution blurb correctly somehow ? or should it
hold a link to it perhaps ?
We REALLY need to figure this stuff out.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Jeff Prucher <jpru...@google.com> wrote:
> I'd definitely favor using the existing types as much as possible.
> There should be a way to set up an attribution template for your data;
> I'll have to do some research on how that works (it's been awhile
> since I made one).
>
> As far as the polygons go, Freebase supports GeoJSON. See
> http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/GeoJSON for more info on how that works.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Alexander Dorsk
> <adorsk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Thad,
>>
>> Thanks for the welcome in your previous email!
>>
>> Initially I was thinking of using the 'body of water/geographical feature'
>> types for Sea Areas. It seems like many of the existing sea areas which are
>> already in Freebase have been typed in that way.
>>
>> For example, the Gulf of Mexico
>> (http://www.freebase.com/edit/topic/en/gulf_of_mexico) is typed as both of a
>> body of water, and a Geographical Feature with the 'category' attribute set
>> as 'Gulf'.
>>
>> However, there are a few things that give me pause. One thing is that I
>> would like to add some sea area names from SeaVox which are not yet in
>> Freebase, and to attribute those names to SeaVox. I'm not clear on whether
>> I can do the attribution I want with the existing types (body of
>> water/geographical feature), or whether I need to create a new type (seavox
>> sea area).
>>
>> Another thing is that I would eventually add the SeaVox area definitions (in
>> the form of GeoJSON, Marsden Square ids or polygons) to Sea Areas, and to
>> attribute those definitions to SeaVox.
>>
>> For example, I'd like to have a property like 'Geographic Definition' with
>> values like 'Marsden Square 100, Marsden Square 101, ...', and I would like
>> to have a little attribution blurb somewhere in the sea area's topic like
>> 'this area definition came from SeaVox <seavox attribution blurb>'. I'm not
>> yet clear on how to do that.
>>
>> Do you have a preferred way of handling attribution with the existing types?
>>
>> If I can I'd like to avoid creating new types that are duplicates of
>> existing types. I'd like to append to the really nice work on sea areas
>> that you all have already done and have a cohesive data set.
>>
>> By the way, thanks for pointing out the underwater feature category types to
>> me. Those could end up being really handy for adding some more underwater
>> feature names.
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 12/13/2010 03:13 PM, Thad Guidry wrote:
>>>
>>> Oops!
>>> That previous link was Hydrographic subcategories only, I also worked
>>> on the Undersea subcategories listed here:
>>>
>>> http://www.freebase.com/view/m/0cnmk78
>>>
>>> It looks like your vocabulary also has good identifiers for those as
>>> well, such as the Freebase undersea feature category of:
>>>
>>> http://www.freebase.com/view/m/0cnmkl3
>>>
>>> and yours:
>>>
>>> http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/term/EVO1/1/00000265
>>>
>>> -Thad
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Thad Guidry<thadg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Alex,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to Freebase !
>>>>
>>>> When you mentioned existing Sea Area geographical feature category,
>>>> were you referring to my work under here:
>>>> http://www.freebase.com/view/m/0cn9nvg
>>>>
>>>> Or another co-type that your working on or using the Freebase Sandbox ?
>>>>
>>>> Curious,
>>>> -Thad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Alexander Dorsk
>>>> <adorsk....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Freebase Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a few questions about attribution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way in freebase to create something like an attribution
>>>>> template?
>>>>> I'm thinking of something like the wikipedia box that appears in the
>>>>> bottom-right of many freebase pages ('The original description for Llama
>>>>> was
>>>>> automatically generated from Wikipedia.org...').
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally what I would like to do is be able to upload topics with Refine,
>>>>> tag
>>>>> them with an information source, and then define an attribution template
>>>>> for
>>>>> that information source.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, I would like to upload a list of sea area names and
>>>>> definitions
>>>>> that has been curated by SeaVox, a group of oceanographic data managers.
>>>>> For each topic I create I would like to have a blurb appear somewhere
>>>>> on
>>>>> the topic's page and in the topic's definition that looks like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> '
>>>>> Resource name: SeaVoX Gazetteer
>>>>> Content Governance authority: SeaDataNet and IODE Marine XML Vocabulary
>>>>> Content Govenance Group (SeaVoX)
>>>>> Licensor: Natural Environment Research Council
>>>>> Version: 5
>>>>> Publication date: 2010-10-21
>>>>> URI: http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/C19/5/
>>>>> '
>>>>>
>>>>> I can think of a few ways to do this, but I'm curious whether there is a
>>>>> preferred way in Freebase.
>>>>>
>>>>> One way I can think of (A) would be to make a 'SeaVox Sea Area' topic
>>>>> that
>>>>> co-types with the existing Sea Area geographic feature category, and add
>>>>> an
>>>>> attribution property to which could hold the attribution template above.
>>>>> This seems a bit kludgy to me, and would create a split in sea area
>>>>> topics.
>>>>> Not so good methinks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another way I can think of (B) would be to add an attribution template
>>>>> property to the 'Information Source' type. This attribution template
>>>>> could
>>>>> show up in a similar way to the 'Web IDs' list, or the Wikipedia box I
>>>>> mentioned above. I could then create a 'SeaVox' Information Topic, give
>>>>> it
>>>>> the attribution blurb above, and then upload my topics via Refine and
>>>>> tag
>>>>> them with the id of the SeaVox Information Source topic. I think
>>>>> something
>>>>> like this was discussed in the '2 mins...' freebase-discuss thread on
>>>>> December 5th:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://freebase.markmail.org/search/?q=attribution%20date%3A201012%20#query:attribution%20date%3A201012%20+page:1+mid:npfyy4zfvenhso2j+state:results
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it's easy for me to say this, I'm not sure what the technical
>>>>> implications would be for you all or what you prefer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which leads to me ask, is attribution currently possible? And if yes,
>>>>> is
>>>>> there a preferred way to do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> My apologies if this has already been answered. I had looked around a
>>>>> bit
>>>>> on the wiki and mailing lists for some stuff, but hadn't found anything.
>>>>> However, it is very possible that I missed something.
>>>>>
>>>>> There were a few pages on the wiki which seemed related:
>>>>> * http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Attribution_%28writes%29
>>>>> * http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Attribution_%28CC-BY%29
>>>>>
>>>>> And a link to a blank page:
>>>>> * http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Attribution_template
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, since this is my first post on the freebase-discuss list let me
>>>>> say
>>>>> 'thanks' for making freebase and the freebase list archives available.
>>>>> Freebase and Refine have been very useful for me in cleaning metadata.
>>>>> The
>>>>> message list archives have been an invaluable resource for learning
>>>>> about
>>>>> linked data and collaborative data modeling *in practice*, not just in
>>>>> theory. I owe you folks a beer.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Dorsk
>>>>> Systems/Data Librarian
>>>>> MBLWHOI Library
>>>>> http://mblwhoilibrary.org
>>>>> 508-289-2538
>>>>>
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>> --
>> Alex Dorsk
>> Systems/Data Librarian
>> MBLWHOI Library
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