Build up Schulz Feeder with PCB Board

[Andy PausB]

Hello 

I want to use the 2x8mm Feeder. 

I have the Chance to get some of them. 

I want to use this PCB: https://groups.google.com/g/openpnp

I order 4 PCBs complete assembled. You only need an Arduino in addition and the feeders of yourse.  If you want i can prepare complete inkl. Arduino. 

Has someone interest in get such a board and maybe feeders ? (only Germany)

The delivery of the PCB  will take one month. Feeder are available. 

NIce day

[Mike Menci]

Andy, 

I have Schultz Feeder controller from Bill -  tested for Nano Every.  Nano 3.0 should work as well. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49EKrmVWWpo&t=129s

Mike

[Mike Menci]

For details and PCB see:

https://github.com/bilsef/SchultzController

Mike

[Andy PausB]

HI Mike

Exactly that one i wnat to use. I ordered it assembled at PCBWAY. 

Can you make a short VIdeo of how to adress the feeder and to use it in open pnp ? Which settings are to do ? 

I have seen they are already implemented. But what settings have to be done ? 

Thank you 

[Mike Menci]

Andy 

There are instructions made and detail description for use with OpenPnP here: 

https://github.com/bilsef/SchultzController/wiki

• Home
• 1. Configure and build controller firmware
• 2. Create actuators
• 3. Wiring
• 4. Create feeder slots in OpenPnP

Use the latest Arduino IDE to build the firmware and upload it to the Arduino Nano Every microcontroller. Edit config.h to select the board you are using. Uncomment the #define DEBUG line to get debug data sent to the serial port.

After uploading the firmware, open the Arduino Serial Monitor and verify that you see the sign-on message.

If this is not enough ask the group here.

Mike

[Andy PausB]

Hi Mike

Thank you.

I build an configure and flashed it. 

Message in Monitor-> Controller started, Controller ready. --> Works !

Create actuators. 

There i am confused. In the new Verison are already Schultz Feeders in open PNP are diretcly availabe. Why do i have to make somethink in XML files ? Is it necessary ? 

Wiring is clear. 

Same for creating feeder. It is available i think. 

Thanky ou.

By the way: I have the chance to buy 2 lane Feeder. Somebody interested ? 

[Mike Menci]

Andy - send a screen shot what you have in OpenPnP ? 

"  In the new Version are already Schultz Feeders in open PNP are directly available" 

How many Feeders you can give away ? Any Photos you can post?

Mike

[Andy PausB]

HI Mike

I am sorry for ansearing late, i was ill. 

What is status: I have ordered the PCB at PCBway. I can sell 3 of them if someone in germany is interrested. If neccessary i can add the Arduiano Nano and flash it. Just send me an email.

I use the actual OPEN pnp Version (i think its called Test) and there are Schultz feeder available. This i attached. 

I attached the Arduino Nano and compiled it for simulate. But it did not work. Why do i have to copy to xml something ? 

It is not clear for me what to do to get this feeder working ?? I read the manual but get problems by copying the code in the opn pnp xml folders.......

Can somebody maybe make a short video of it  ? (when Board is connected, how to get t work and test it) ?

Thank you 

[Mike Menci]

Andy that is just a basic. 

1st add G-code Schultz driver for feeders - see enclosed. 

You need to add feeders - as many as you have: 

-  to Machine setup with all details, .... see enclosed..

Mike

[Mike Menci]

Each feeder details need to look like this one (my Slot 11) for example:

[Mike Menci]

Layout as I have it - 
photos enclosed.

Mike

[Mike Menci]

Very good Siemens feeder description video: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_snAjJtib24&t=7s

[Andy PausB]

Hi 

I add the Drive (and it is connected to USB). Then it will be detected correct (i hope) --> See attached .

But i did not have the actuators in Gcode as you have ?! It is empty ? 

[Mike Menci]

Andy 

Do you have your PnP working ? 

Which feeders are you using up to now? 

Mike 

[Andy PausB]

Hi 

I have just a testsystem on this PC in the Office for test. I flashed the aruino with simulation (#debug). There is no real feeder connected. I though this must work for simulation feeder and test how it works. 

In the garage i have a system working with smoothieboard and the strip feeders. Now i want to go to Schutlz Feeder.

[Mike Menci]

Well if you know how to add stip feeders you add Schultz the same way, Just do not forget Gcode driver !

[周逸飞]

Does it support  12/16mm  feeder ？

[Bill Ruckman]

Yes, it supports 12/16mm feeders. 

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[M. Mencinger]

Google for : 

SchultzFeeder and SlotSchultzFeeder

https://github.com/openpnp/openpnp/wiki/SchultzFeeder-and-SlotSchultzFeeder 

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[Mike Menci]

Spare motors for Siplace Schultz : 

https://www.ebay.de/itm/324527397877?hash=item4b8f571bf5:g:72wAAOSwRaFhxX7A&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4IP9jE8%2BsoJycz6UR2G3umZauAQkImGVRgx9rd0D9Wxg5MKqOj52D9MkN34pUx8mZIyN8c6iH7ELt5ZBFzdCChNNCkieuGm2vR02vz%2FgeV4i2ZOIuhwlzpQe%2BTBuBBlszdWrgYmKUB8bcPiiCmSWNWwa3Mq4EAhixwr0CF%2B9CZy4D4M1QF9auF1OpgAt6J7IY3K7ZlXMO1CrN8wBBfnzE%2FXQ1I60Dca3eeCudtJuAdtfhQHiL4hWSwkX2hFM7u2BzVSUA0yAxcgbVZkqYhyBoi6p8rMbh8JGzHI1JblRymYv%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR97MoPiyYQ

[Mike Menci]

Schultz feeders 17 GBP  tween feeder = https://www.ebay.com/itm/325548532836?hash=item4bcc346464:g:3XIAAOSwlsZj-Pwu&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA0M0ychoDDjKodpIibi0dTHSRC0e9XJfnDL8BRGy1FtH3QRcuWZyeHM8dXA5B2pWxukh9Lq0L5OE8JMqlfrmuaNb3YD8VO%2BiJYDOExI9g4Bia4hLc1ePDItE20bWJTsJ%2B0FIMecM3RwAgpwu4lyA%2FpGPf2LvbFKB3Rst%2FPyE%2FJdiEcbcdHA%2BPWkZ3rWg%2BaF5quSq95p61cAvQERYaXBjX4eyq8H72%2BpCEwsvmMxexZScY%2F3m4ITlb3jTMrWra%2FlpHhrjvgR7307tV7ISxnlvgWDA%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4zp3NHqYQ

[janjura...@gmail.com]

Is this one good for OpenPNP?

Are they okay for 0402 components?

JJ

Dne čtvrtek 6. dubna 2023 v 8:04:36 UTC+2 uživatel mike....@gmail.com napsal:

[Mike Menci]

Yes  Siemens Schultz feeders 2x8 - they work with OpenPnP - you will need a controller = see Here 

-  https://github.com/openpnp/openpnp/wiki/SchultzFeeder-and-SlotSchultzFeeder

- https://github.com/openpnp/openpnp/wiki/Setup-and-Calibration_Feeders

[M. Mencinger]

Most of the 0402 components come on a tape with 2mm pitch - and with Schultz 2x8 Siplace SII feeders you can adjust 4mm or 2mm tape advancing... 

Mike

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[janjura...@gmail.com]

The feeders you shared look pretty used - do you think they will work good? This type looks very well engineered, but I would love to hear opinion of experienced user.

Is there any calibration needed? What about protocol - is it documented anywhere or I should study the code of controller?

Thank you,

JJ

Dne pátek 10. listopadu 2023 v 22:55:37 UTC+1 uživatel mike....@gmail.com napsal:

[Mike Menci]

You will find evrything in the two links I posted here earlier. 

- For the quality of used feeders you will need to contact the seller. 

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On 11 Nov 2023, at 00.04, janjura...@gmail.com <janjura...@gmail.com> wrote:

The feeders you shared look pretty used - do you think they will work good? This type looks very well engineered, but I would love to hear opinion of experienced user.

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[Mike Menci]

I saw just now - See Ebay page again - feeders are: 

Condition:

UsedUsed

“Used, good condition, serviced, calibrated”

Mike

[Mike Menci]

I purchased some feeders from them and they came calibrated and in very good condition (from my point of view- very old and looking great). 

Pictures attached. 

Mike

[janjura...@gmail.com]

Hey Mike, looks nice.

Can you please tell me what versions are supported?
00141096-02 (2x8mm)
00141096-03 (2x8mm)
00141096-04 (2x8mm)

What about other feeders?
3x8mm?
12/16mm?
24/32mm?

Thank you,
JJ

Dne neděle 19. listopadu 2023 v 11:53:59 UTC+1 uživatel mike....@gmail.com napsal:

[Mike Menci]

As far as I know only Siemens Schultz feeders - all sizes  ( 2x 8,12,16 ..this are double line feeders) are supported.

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For 3 x 8 there is missing the code for 3rd line - see this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_snAjJtib24&t=802s

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Mike

[janjura...@gmail.com]

Is the document showed in the video accessible anywhere? I cannot find it.

Me and my colleague can work on the reverse engineering of 3x8 unit, but would be great to have some start point.

Thank you,

JJ

Dne středa 22. listopadu 2023 v 14:55:11 UTC+1 uživatel mike....@gmail.com napsal:

[Mike Menci]

I have given you the links already here

[janjura...@gmail.com]

Yes, but there is no reverse engineering files - the description of EEPROM etc which is showed in the video - or am I missing something?

Dne středa 22. listopadu 2023 v 15:54:59 UTC+1 uživatel mike....@gmail.com napsal:

[Mike Menci]

To my understanding you would need to add only the 3rd feeder to the two existing feeders in this linked Siplace Feeder code. 
If you could do it that would be great!!

Mike

[M. Mencinger]

Have you seen this: https://github.com/bilsef/SchultzController/tree/master/Firmware/SchultzController

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[janjura...@gmail.com]

Yes, I saw the arduino source files - they are great start, but in the video they showed some Word document which was describing EEPROM structure.

Probably not shared anywhere. I will try to contact them directly so we can continue on their great job!

Thank you,

JJ

Dne středa 22. listopadu 2023 v 16:02:22 UTC+1 uživatel mike....@gmail.com napsal:

[Mike Menci]

Great - Good luck! 

Mike