Hilfe, ich habe einen Haufen Geo-Daten und kein Plan was diese bedeuten…

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Hallo Ihr Lieben –

ich habe die Daten von der KVG Kiel. Die Daten sind für mich völlig kryptisch. Die ID 0 sollte sowas haben wie: 54.314985 – 10.131976. Habt ihr eine Idee man das zu lesen hat?

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[Michael Kreil]

Offensichtlich hat die KVG hier irgendein Mapping-Foo veranstaltet. Vermutlich wieder was mit Gauß-Krüger oder UTM.

Am besten bekommst du es entknobelt, wenn du dir 5-10 weit verstreute Bahnhöfe aussuchst, die angegebenen plankgeo-Koordinaten ermittelst und diese mit den realen Koordinaten matched. Das Erraten der Formel kann man dann z.B. mit Excel machen.

So habe ich auch die bisherige Formel ermittelt:

https://github.com/MichaelKreil/openPlanB/blob/master/node.js/plan_modules/plankgeo.js#L50

Falls du nicht weiterkommst, kannst du ja mal 10 Bahnhofs-Koordinaten (jeweils mit plan- und reale Koordinaten) per Mail schicken. Ggf. kann ein zusätzlicher Screenshot der Karte der KVG-Anwendung weiter helfen.

Grüße

Michael

[lifeof...@gmail.com]

Hey Michael –

puh, da bin ich erleichtert, dass ich nichts übersehen habe. 

Das mit den Datenpunkten habe ich mir auch schon überlegt. Lässt sich ja recht fix automatisieren. 

Kiel ist ja noch wirklich klein vom Datenstand her. Bei Zeiten werde ich mir das mal von einer anderen Stadt zu Gemüte führen… 

Danke dir für deine Hilfe.

Liebe Grüße

Björn

[Michał Borsuk]

> ich habe die Daten von der KVG Kiel. Die Daten sind für mich völlig kryptisch. Die ID 0 sollte sowas haben wie: 54.314985 – 10.131976. Habt ihr eine Idee man das zu lesen hat?

planb-Dateien können auch relativ sein. Der Koordinatenursprung als Bezugspunkt ist frei wählbar. Schon die zürcher ZVV verwendet das. 

Finde mehr als ein Bahnhof, berechne Dein 'Koordinatenursprung' Punkt, voila. 

Viel Erfolg.

[Matthias Haupt]

gibt es noch das openplanb project?

[Michael Kreil]

Ja, openPlanB gibt es. Es brennt zwar aktuell nicht, aber im Hintergrund passiert etwas:

- In Holland wird auch Hafas eingesetzt. Für holländische Daten wurde openPlanB angepasst und weiterentwickelt. Es soll inzwischen auch ein GTFS-Export eingebaut sein, hab's mir aber noch nicht angesehen: https://github.com/StichtingOpenGeo/openPlanB/

- Parallel möchte ich untersuchen, inwieweit man auch historische Daten konvertieren kann. Einen komplett durchgehenden Fahrplan von 1995 bis 2014 mit allen Zügen, fände ich ganz schick.

- Für die nächsten Schritte, braucht es einen GTFS-Werkzeugkasten inklusive Routing. Ich versuche seit einigen Monaten eine finanzielle Förderung dafür zu finden, damit ich mich voll darauf konzentrieren kann. Falls jemand Ideen hat: Nur her damit!

Michael

[Matthias Haupt]

kann man openplanB in irgendeiner weise, wenn ja welche, unterstützen?

[Michał Borsuk]

Hallo liebe Hackers,

Ich bin weiter mit dem planzug als Ihr, aber brauche Hilfe mit dem Planb. Hafas hat vielleicht die Kodierung geändert, weil viele Züge haben Abfahrtzeiten um 15 Minuten verschoben. Nicht alle!

Zum Thema: Beispiel aus Planzug:

Die Nummer des Züges ist nicht 8, sondern 9 Bits. Also:

Nummer bis 99'999 -> Zugnummer (mit Ausnahmen, wann ein Lauf hat mehr als ein Zugnummer/Linie)
Nummer über 100'000 -> primary key von planline, wo der Liniennummer (nicht mehr Zuges) steht.

Also, wo Ihr 34'464 (0x0086A0) als Zugnummer habt, hafas verwendet 100'000 (0x0186A0) als Liniennummer.

Mehr aber wann Zeit erlaubt.


Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
--
Michal Leon Borsuk

[Michał Borsuk]

On 03.08.2014 19:00, Matthias Haupt wrote:

> kann man openplanB in irgendeiner weise, wenn ja welche, unterstützen?

Sicher, zum Beispiel, ein Patch:

Index: node.js/plan_modules/planbz.js
===================================================================
--- node.js/plan_modules/planbz.js (revision xxx)
+++ node.js/plan_modules/planbz.js (working copy)
@@ -96,11 +96,11 @@
if (dateWord & 0xF800) {
// TODO: handle flags, probably for "next day" or timezone stuff
return dateWord & 0x07FF;
- } else if (dateWord < 1440) {
+ } else /*LMB: wrong, minute can be > 1440, means 'next day': if
(dateWord < 1440)*/ {
return dateWord;
- } else {
+ } /*else {
throw "bad dateWord 0x" + dateWord.toString(16) + ' (' +
dateWord + ')';
- }
+ }*/
}



Grüsse, LMB