[Open Manufacturing] Family-tree as a dimension... held in metadata.
Nick Taylor
http://www.georgehart.com/rp/rp.html
A proper geek's geek who makes amazing, real 3d mathmatical models (including 4D shadows) - which he supplies the plans for (and you can buy fabbed ones (made by someone who's used his designs) here : http://www.shapeways.com/model/10625/goldberg_polyhedrons.html ) an online 3d-fabbing plant...
... and all he wants is attribution. He wants something like his own memetic DNA to forever recognisable in the offspring, which is reasonable enough, so it occurred to me that these things (if not all things) should have some sort of meta data (or link to metadata) attached, which charts the developmental family tree of a designed/open-sourced object.
I think it's an interesting idea anyway. I've heard that Led Zep nicked/borrowed a lot of their material from old blues guys... and I'd be really interested to see a proper tree of influences that charts what came from where.
This metadata need not be held in the actual object, but could be stored in a databases online... looked up using a code associated with the object.
Nick
http://www.genomicon.com
Bryan Bishop
> A proper geek's geek who makes amazing, real 3d mathmatical models
> (including 4D shadows) - which he supplies the plans for (and you can buy
> fabbed ones (made by someone who's used his designs) here :
> http://www.shapeways.com/model/10625/goldberg_polyhedrons.html ) an online
> 3d-fabbing plant...
I see that the shapeways.com website allows you to upload 3D models,
but it doesn't seem to allow bulk downloading of the database. This
looks like proprietary lock-in. Avoid, avoid avoid :-). Same with
instructables, and so many others, sadly. I wonder why designers are
unconcerned with this. I guess since they might get to make a quick
buck off of somebody else printing their model, they're happy?
> ... and all he wants is attribution. He wants something like his own memetic
> DNA to forever recognisable in the offspring, which is reasonable enough, so
> it occurred to me that these things (if not all things) should have some
> sort of meta data (or link to metadata) attached, which charts the
> developmental family tree of a designed/open-sourced object.
Yep, that's what we're working on here. A way to package open source
hardware projects in a systematic fashion, especially with metadata.
http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/3f991441a6860b51?hl=en
> I think it's an interesting idea anyway. I've heard that Led Zep
> nicked/borrowed a lot of their material from old blues guys... and I'd be
> really interested to see a proper tree of influences that charts what came
> from where.
Huh? Aren't most of the influence charts just going to be musicians
saying what they think the influences were? Sometimes the musicians
tell you what their own personal influences were, which is enough to
go off of, but if I had to document all of the tens of thousands of
songs and artists that I've listened to over my lifetime, that'd be ..
intense. :-) (No, last.fm barely counts.)
> This metadata need not be held in the actual object, but could be stored in
> a databases online... looked up using a code associated with the object.
A universal open source hardware barcode?
The way that the software distribution repositories do this is by
mostly alphanumeric package names. I don't know if there are
standardized package names across APT, yum, and the rpm repos. Hrm.
URLs were an attempt to allow this with domain name servers. That
might be worth borrowing. DOI somehow caught on, but I don't know why,
and I'd avoid it because of the commercialism.
Nick Taylor
> saying what they think the influences were? Sometimes the musicians
> tell you what their own personal influences were, which is enough to
> go off of, but if I had to document all of the tens of thousands of
> songs and artists that I've listened to over my lifetime, that'd be ..
> intense. :-) (No, last.fm barely counts.)
eg: http://www.ikostar.com/2008/02/23/ding-ding-de-dingy-dingy-ding-ding-de-dingy-dingy/
Something I noticed with late 80s UK indie music... the influences were all fairly blatant and direct.
As far as the Led Zep stuff goes... here's an example, which is actually pretty (fucking) good if you ask me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc
One of the great things about youtube - all these lateral connections are made. And of course then there are the conspiracy theorists etc... who aren't always (completely) wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjPAEPFaxoM&feature=related
For what it's worth, I don't see anything wrong with this... IMHO (and IANAL) it's not plagiarism if the attribution chain is included in the metadata. As far as the flow of money goes, those that make a killing should have a heart, but I'm not sure legislating 'heart' is doing us any good right now.
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