Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

[Kifura Da Fox]

Kiefer Jackson  -  11:11 PM  -  

::::ATTENTION PEOPLE::::
I need volunteer contributors for an opensource project to perhaps create a Furry Fandom oriented Operating system for meant for home computer usage. For those who do not know what a furry is please be redirected towards the site: WWW.Wikifur.com OR type in Furry Fandom in Wikipedia. 
For specific history on the project, please visit these links
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/CreatureS
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Ubuntu_Furry_Remix
https://launchpad.net/~ufurmix-maintainers/+archive/ppa/

If you are not interested in the project or are offended or mislead by the concept, please do not leave any comments. If you are interested however in the project, please email me at thund...@gmail.com
I will get back to you as soon as possible.

[Mr. The Plague]

This has to mark the seventh occasion that I've heard this same thing
repeated in slightly different words.

Does anyone here actually know what is going on, besides "we're making
a furry OS"? Anyone who can tell me what this phrase actually *means*?

-- Pi

[Xorrito]

I do, just dont have time atm to explain

[Mr. The Plague]

Okay. Let's say I'm interested in contacting the release engineers.
How would I go about that?

-- Pi

[Kifura Da Fox]

Yes. We still have many members who are interested in the project. But what we lack is motivation. Our goal is still the same and is dead simple: to create an operating system the fandom would use.  Let me be blunt: we made some huge mistakes and steered waaaay far from the actual objective.

 It will be a desktop OS. We will implement tablet support but it will REMAIN a desktop OS. We are not going to use Ubuntu as the strip.NO remix. It will be its own OS.  So, base it off Debian's stable branch instead. 
Also, we will need to publicize this on many sites, tell your friends, use facebook, Google+, FA, DA, FNN, etc,etc.
The more people we recruit the more likely it will happen. 
Lastly we need compilers, coders and programmers. Joshua needs to step up as well and be a REAL spokesperson.  If you dont want part, then dont be. But this idea is not dead yet.

[Xorrito]

Wait! remix first to get out there, then the big project

[Mr. The Plague]

Replies inline:

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 20:55, Kifura Da Fox <thund...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes. We still have many members who are interested in the project. But what
> we lack is motivation. Our goal is still the same and is dead simple: to
> create an operating system the fandom would use.

What. Does. That. Mean? What problem are you trying to solve?

> Let me be blunt: we made some huge mistakes and steered waaaay far from
> the actual objective.

I have heard this several times too.

>  It will be a desktop OS. We will implement tablet support but it will
> REMAIN a desktop OS. We are not going to use Ubuntu as the strip.NO remix.
> It will be its own OS.  So, base it off Debian's stable branch instead.

Are you the release-engineering team? Excellent. What technique is
being used to automate creating a release image?

> Also, we will need to publicize this on many sites, tell your friends, use
> facebook, Google+, FA, DA, FNN, etc,etc.
> The more people we recruit the more likely it will happen.

Publicity won't hurt, no.

> Lastly we need compilers, coders and programmers. Joshua needs to step up as
> well and be a REAL spokesperson.  If you dont want part, then dont be. But
> this idea is not dead yet.

It's curious that you're accusing me of not wanting to be a part of
this. On the contrary, I am quite interested in this project, which is
why I am asking questions about how the project will get *done*.

-- Pi

[WolFi]

Well, am kind of busy, usually, and iv been following the group for a bit while.

Even if i'm still not sure if this project is going to start some day... i would like to help however i can.
Am Spanish, so i guess i could help translating. I know a bit of programming, tho i only done web stuff... oh, and am good thinking on new ideas.

Even if i usually dont have much free time, i could do some testing, translations and some other things in my free time.

hmm... it would be good to know who, how and what is doing each one of the members of the team, know if its gonna be a fully new os, or based on something (and if so, what) and that kind of stuff

[Сергей]

Motivation will not appear out of nowhere, you know. And making an OS that solves an unclear problem is not the most motivating thing in this world. I had my motives to work on it, and I worked day and night. I've satisfied my desire and now I'm not interested in the project anymore. So, guys, decide if you have any real, personal motives. Without them you'll never make anything.

Using Debian as a base sounds like NIH syndrome. Believe my experience, you should build upon Ubuntu. Even elementary OS Luna, which uses an entirely custom desktop environment, is built upon Ubuntu for a good reason. You know, I like quoting Linus Torvalds, he's an exceptionally smart guy:

...the thing Ubuntu did so well was make Debian usable. I always felt that Debian was a pointless exercise because to me, the point of a distribution is to make everything easy. Easy to install, to be pretty and to be friendly and Ubuntu did that to Debian.

And one more, you gotta hear this:

Nobody should start to undertake a large project. You start with a small trivial project, and you should never expect it to get large. If you do, you'll just overdesign and generally think it is more important than it likely is at that stage. Or worse, you might be scared away by the sheer size of the work you envision. So start small, and think about the details. Don't think about some big picture and fancy design. If it doesn't solve some fairly immediate need, it's almost certainly over-designed. And don't expect people to jump in and help you. That's not how these things work. You need to get something half-way useful first, and then others will say "hey, that almost works for me", and they'll get involved in the project.

Cheers
--
The guy who hacked together 1,3 furry OS releases (thanks the community for the other 0,7!)
Sadly, I made an OS instead of a website, so you'll never know who I am...

[Crazd Foxx]

hello Ima fox called CrazdFoxx and i would be interested in contributing!

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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:29:52 -0700
From: thund...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

[Adam]

Why nobody who's interested isn't on ##fur-dev channel on anthrochat? I'm every day on this channel.

2011/7/20 Crazd Foxx <craz...@hotmail.com>

[Soul Retriever]

I thought that’s where the meetings were held, i didn’t realise people stayed there

[Mr. The Plague]

That's what I'm wondering. There's an official IRC channel, but no
release-engineering team?

-- Pi

[Xorrito]

Just out of curiosity, is it posible to have a voice conference?

[Сергей]

On the software side, we can use Skype (which won't work on Linux) or Mumble. Not sure about sufficient Internet channels, though.

[Xorrito]

What do you mean skype dosent work? I use it.

On Jul 20, 2011 11:44 AM, "Сергей" <shna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the software side, we can use Skype (which won't work on Linux) or

> Mumble<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumble_%28software%29>.

[Сергей]

You're lucky.
Conference calls are very limited on Linux AFAIR.

[Xorrito]

...oh? *tilts head*

[Сергей]

It always had mic glitches for me and I'm not a VoIP fan. In addition, the latest skype crashes on startup my machine, so I don't really know what's going on with it now.

[Adam]

i have EDGE (20 kB/s) connection with 500 MB data limit so I can't make voice calls on skype, and think about language barrier. I have problems with understanding native english people (they are talking too fast).

2011/7/20 Сергей <shna...@gmail.com>

[Mr. The Plague]

It would be appreciated if, at some point, you took the time to
explain what is going on here. I'm specifically interested in your
release-engineering procedure, and how to get onboard with it.

-- Pi

[linkthegamer]

Yeah i know i need to step up as a spokes person and i am going to start promoting it on some social networking sites then more and more elsewhere. Be nice to be just the figurehead spokesperson.

[linkthegamer]

https://plus.google.com/116238146250596200524/posts this is me on google+ where i will do a lot of promoting since unlike FA and FB i have a nice fallowing of furs who might actually read it.

[Crazd Foxx]

we should promote at cons and any other furry event...

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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:53:41 -0700
From: linkth...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

[Mr. The Plague]

The question has STILL not yet been answered: What *are* we promoting?
What are the goals of this project?

-- pi

[Crazd Foxx]

well, what we are TRYING to do... is
make a furry operating system.
you ask what does that mean exactly?
well it consists of; building an operating system that is as furry friendly as it can get.
including but not limited to
incoroprating a level of furry creativity and theming that makes the OS stand out against others.
creating a unique and stylish user interface that is easy to use and easy to get used to even when migrating from other OSes like Windows or Mac OSX and even Android.
incorporate new features that make the OS unique and better than others.
and by all means dance with the one that brung ya!!! meaning... DO NOT comphensate our pretty creative theming or take out programs that are usefull just so yall can fit it on a CD... come on people step up to the new age! we have DVD and bluray, smartphones and tablets and 8 core processors... GET A DVD DRIVE!!! they are about 20$ now at frys or on new egg...theres no reason to try to cram our OS on a 700Mb CD -.-

okay enough with the CD rant..
but we definetely need to start focusing our creativity on ONE common goal... we need to organize in a business like structure. litterally run this like its a business.. because who knows.. it may be someday!
we need a blue print of the perfect furry friendly OS and what features it should contain.

a few brain storms of my own...

 a unique log in system instead of the same old name and password.

our own servers for automattic updates...(need more furs to run and fund i know)

a headline on the desktop for updates from FA. it will show your new messages ect on your dashboard. also could be  applied to other furry social sites...
home to portable synch. acrosss the web. meaning  as long as your laptop/ tablet has network acess it can synch up with your home PC you can save, upload, download, move, share to or from your home PC and lock or turn off your pc from wherever you are...

any expansion on my ideas, or any sugestions on how to make it happen are encouraged.

now. i reccomend a fresh build. a clean slate to start from, should be linux based however start from scratch. maybe take an existing linux OS but COMPLETELY rebuild it to a point where it no longer even remotely resembles its original form.

we should advertise on FA... to recruit more codders, more vollunteers up for a challenge. we can use ANYONE willing to help. even if its just for an idea. ads on FA cost like hardly anything. soeone should be assignes in taking care of this.
we should all pitch in to pay for the ad.
who wants the job of organizing the FA ad?

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From: craz...@hotmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:12:19 -0700

[Crazd Foxx]

link the gamer, you are now formally in charge of promotion and advertisement. you may wish to recruit more furs to help you with that job... first we should advertise simply the idea, not the product. to gain more interest and attention, along with that, attract more volunteers.

first start out by creating an FA page for the OS. and promote it there. send all incomming mail from volunteers to that account.  the password for said account will be given to you, our head spokes person, me and Ebon shepherd my mate, who has volunteered to help with advertisement.

as for everyone else.
do some role taking here and go to my journal and  just reply and make your presence known. http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2592329/#cid:20663905
a few replies may help spread the word and let people know were for real.

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From: craz...@hotmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:14:02 -0700

[Kito Soma]

I also recommend starting up an IRC channel for this project.

Minimal funding is required to set up an IRCd.

Any suggestions?

[Mr. The Plague]

There's already an irc channel. ##fur-dev on anthrochat.

[Crazd Foxx]

yes an IRC would be great....
i need a good client ... i prefer one for windows or linux im not a fan of the web client
any one got one?

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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 00:13:26 -0700
From: kito...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

[Crazd Foxx]

alright yeah lets just use the old one.... realy were just restarting the project. im trying to give it a jumpstart. and help organize people a bit. any one object to me being project leader?

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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 00:14:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
From: mrthe...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[linkthegamer]

Already got a few volunteers from G+.

As for the FA page, Any artist for some stuff to put in the gallery to help the account stay active.

Also unless it is wrong i am going to still refer to myself as figurehead since i just act as the head but am more or less just a front for directing information to the proper experts in each field.

[Crazd Foxx]

thats fine we just need to make sure everyone knows their rank and job. thats something we always struggled with in the past witch is why nothing got done. also make sure we keep the purpose of the project in mind... not just a bunch of furs "working" on an OS...

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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 00:19:33 -0700
From: linkth...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: link the gamer. is in charge of the following

[Crazd Foxx]

we need someone to handle the scheduling of all group related functions.

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From: craz...@hotmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: link the gamer. is in charge of the following
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 00:23:57 -0700

[WolFi]

Soo... Looks like this is coming to life again, good

Yep, it's a great idea, something for each one know what to do.
As an idea, I would say, using a dynamic page, with everyone registered, and team work groups on it, or something; so each one know what to do, and organize between all the others that would be doing the same.

By the way, I hate social networks and so xD .

[Crazd Foxx]

yes sounds like a good idea to me as well... can anyone code something up we can put on the web page?

> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 03:24:30 -0700
> From: fur...@gmail.com
> To: ope...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

[Crazd Foxx]

or maybe we can do this on FA from our openfur page... link is going to be getting that FA account all set up for us soon i think

> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 03:24:30 -0700
> From: fur...@gmail.com
> To: ope...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
>

[Joshua S.]

nope.

already got it set up this morning plus more

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/openfur

http://clubs.sheezyart.com/OpenFur/

http://openfur.deviantart.com/

stay tuned for updates on here https://plus.google.com/116238146250596200524/posts

stay tuned he to be called a moron http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/103911-OPENFUR...revived

[Crazd Foxx]

very nice thank you very much!

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From: linkth...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:29:44 -0400
Subject: Re:
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Joshua S.]

youtube set to launch when we have stuff to show.

[Joshua S.]

new resources

Google Moderator links.

http://www.google.com/moderator/?hl=en_us&authuser=0#16/e=ad953 For Questions

http://www.google.com/moderator/?hl=en_us&authuser=0#16/e=ac519 For Ideas

http://www.google.com/moderator/?hl=en_us&authuser=0#16/e=a51b6 For suggestions

Not google Moderator links

http://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenFur/246704928684276 Facebook Page

http://twitter.com/#!/OpenFur Twitter page

[Joshua S.]

http://www.formspring.me/OpenFur fromsrping

http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenFur for later use

http://openfur.blogspot.com/ new blog

[Joshua S.]

and tumblr http://openfur.tumblr.com/

I LOVE being PR guy.

[Crazd Foxx]

okay so now that we have this all online we need a few people to maintain them. especially the FA and face book pages because hey will bring in the most publicity.

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From: linkth...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:39:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Joshua S.]

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2594571/#cid:20683000 not everyone likes us but with some love i got some people to have a more hopeful outlook on us. We love you all guys.

Also we need a website and company email before i can make the getsatisfaction page.

[Crazd Foxx]

wow...just... wow. 

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From: linkth...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:18:03 -0400

Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Crazd Foxx]

well link im very proud of the way you handled that... i doubt i would have done quite as well.

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From: linkth...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:18:03 -0400

Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Joshua S.]

Thanks, I would like you all to do to things for me.

Tell me what you know about the features and goals and project guidelines and also.

remember i am the PR guy and so you don't have to deal with this, i will. Thusly you all should show me love with lots of nummy cheese.

[Crazd Foxx]

well ive got some one working on banners for our FA ad to try to bring in more interest and volunteers. but we need to redo the website
make it talk about WHY were doing this. make sure people understand were not just making some clone, or an os pre loaded with yiff. or whatever other stupid idea they get in their head. so we need a good explaination of what our "furry OS" is. and have a mailing address so people can send in questions and such. but not a public post or anything, not on our front page that will just spawn trolls to post...
but yes link thank you. you are a good spokes person keep it up.
as for me, im working on a list of features GOOD features! not just ones that ppl will just say "oh my iphone already does that"  one i think we should put a lot of focus into is integrating furry networks like FA and furspace and such where your status and updates and other usefull info will show up as a dashboard. i also been thinking. we should look at android on tablets and get a feel for that and give our OS that clean, fresh, simple but powerfull feel...

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From: linkth...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:27:40 -0400

Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Joshua S.]

i am fine with using android for some design ideas but I think we should be careful we don't out right mimic it, Lion already mimics iOS and win8 is set to do the same using WP7.

So an android style set-up is a good idea but it needs to be made for Desktop/Laptops/Netbook and not phones/tablets (aka should feel intuitive while using a mouse and physical keyboard, not like you are running a system MENT for touch.)

[Crazd Foxx]

precisely... i just think the clean, sleek uncluttered feel is nice. since it COULD be easily adapted for tablets later on if we decide to go that route. but if we just do a straight up desktop OS that looks and acts like any other... thats boring and uninteresting and its been done over and over not to mention its hard to do something with  the plain same old desktop configuration that hasnt already been done many times... we need to kind of hybridize the android feel with the desktop functionality.
ill be out and about tomorrow. ll got to a store and mess around with some of the android tablets and get a feel for it and start brainstorming some ways to accomplish a similar feel for our OS.

i think some one should also litterally draw out some desktop configuration ideas menu placement, window style, ect...
now i loved the themes from back in 9.10 a lot of people didnt like the button where you had a claw slash for your close buttons on the windows. however i think with some tweaking we can make it look better than the same old X for close buttons.

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From: linkth...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:48:29 -0400

Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Crazd Foxx]

BTW we have a website with 1 year pre paid domain... just need to contact whoever has all the info on that .... and also that page needs to be redone  but yes we have server space.

i been reading around on forums and such and its amazing to me how people think its about downloading porn... yes were making an os for downloading porn... *facepaws* idk about the rest of you guys but furry isn all about the art.
its funny to me in a sad way that thats all people get when you say were making a furry OS... very creative minds.
btw sorry for my occasional rants. from time to time i may post rants related to an openfur issue in these emails just to get others to think a little

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From: craz...@hotmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:23:42 -0700

[Joshua S.]

That would be foxofinfinity.

OMG YESH, we are more then just and art community... furries are so much more diverse.

Be sure use the android emulator to get a feel of what feels OFF when using android on the desktop. It is helpful.

and i agree a UI refresh (new but not so new that mac and windows and even linux users for WTF this is too confusing, fuck it).

[WolFi]

Yep, i could code something for it, but if we gonna do a whole deploy system, ill need help; coz i dont have much free time.

If there is a need of mail, or hosting, or maybe something else, i dont mind my server to be used, its almos 99% uptime, but just 1 Mbps upload.

I think we should start categorizing the group, becouse, this is starting to get out of theme, and mixing stuff, ideas, and news...

[Pereh]

How about at first we assemble the tools we will need to start the project, then think about the project itself? I guess that way we're going to complete our goals faster.

[WolFi]

Yep, we should start doing something, and if we allready have some things clear, we should start doing em; but we could keep giving a shape and direction to the whole project by the way, so when the tools, programs and other stuff is done, we can go and put it all on the os.

[Joshua S.]

http://openfur.livejournal.com/ new live journal community

[Crazd Foxx]

we are, weve got publicity and volunteer/donations up and going we got some one working on ads to help bring volunteer interest... were setting things up much like a business... with different departments. link is spokes person.. .im working on trying to get everyone in a place and working on something.  right now our focus is


sorting out our current crew into sub groups.  ive   got link and my mate working on advertisement, volunteer-hunting and publicity... wolfi is going to be incharge of research for the FA synch since its going to be a key feature unique to the open fur OS ill be helping with this as well... and nezu is going to be head for graphic design team.. and thats what ive gotten done in the past 2 days....

link gets MVP btw he worked all day getting just about every network around an account for the open fur project.. witch already has had a noticeable amount of attention gained from these new accounts... however there are too many accounts for link to manage on his own. so he will need people to help keep things updated... but i will leave the recruitment for those jobs up to him since thats his department.

so yes right now were just taking places and sorting and gathering tools but simultaneously those who already have their places are beginning work.

as far as server space goes... we have the old site still up + your servers so yay...
we need people to work on taking care of the server and keeping the site updated and not to mention.. building the site. since its your server do you want to be head for the main site?

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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:54:26 +0200
Subject: Re: RE: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
From: kich...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Crazd Foxx]

yes categorizing the group is what im trying to do :P  but it requires aevery one to pay  attention to whats going on, and to what im saying.
im organizing it into departments as i said before... you will have main head leaders of the project witch i think its just  me at this point since i kinda picked up the reigns and started atleast trying to point this project in some direction instead of running in circles, if snatsel ever comes back he will be a leader as well. but idk... has anyone heard from him??? if hes not apart of the group anymore we need to know, anyways... then  your managers who manage each individual departnemt and whatever the project leaders and managers have agreed on for the project thats what the department will work on. as of now we have 2... our graphics design and advertisement/publicity.  so its a support system...
each one reliant on the next. the ads department needs to run an add so they will draw up a blue print of the ad. and the graphics design team will make the finnished product... or if the coding department needs icons for buttons borders logos w/e they will submit a blue  print witch everyone will be apart of the selection andd styling for source images. we will all vote and submit our own designs decide what looks best before its submitted to the graphics dpt.

so there's a rough example of what im trying to do... except once we have the full team organized into their appropriate dpt. it will be a well oiled machine ;3

the only way this will succeed is if we run it like a corporation.

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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 02:51:47 -0700
From: fur...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

[WolFi]

Well, i can try it, but dont ask me to design webpage right now; the project am doing in the company i work its web related, and i get tired of php after that... when i get to finish it, sure, i can work on something.

Meanwhile, i can organize somethings related to that; and i have a simple cms iv done while learning to use php (lets say a trash of code, and a lil functionality i missed after ending it) that, with a lil bit of work, we can get to use.

There is joomla, but i dont like it, and a lot of cms, that we can use easyli.

As for the FA sync, who is going to work on it?
How is it going to be named?
Do we have any clues of how fa works, or if they would let us work with em to get it working?

[Chris Scarber]

I've always gotten the impression that the goal was to make a Linux
distribution that is themed with clean furry art, maybe to add some of
the software made by furries (i remember seeing some software made
somewhere that was built to make hosting a con website a bit easyer
but the name of it escapes me) and to include software for making
art.

most people assocate the interface as the os. An os takes control from
the bios and allocates memory for the hardware and loads the kernal,
in our case the monolithic linux kernal which contains the vast
majority of drivers to operate the hardware (as apposed to the hybrid
windows kernal that only contains the basic set of drivers and loads
the rest later). needless to say theres not much you can do to make
this furry... so this means were wanting a furry interface right? its
already been stated that its going to be based on the Debian branch
which means its gonna be really stable and user friendly..

soreally at this point asking what the goals are would really be layed
out into these questions:

1. what window manager is it gonna use? you can put more than one here
but remember that every window manager you list has to be furrytised

2. how are you going to choose the art thats going into the os and how
are you going to acquire it? remember every update were will expect
new art and a few choice backgrounds of really good quality as well as
icon sets... its a lot of art... and whats worse is you cant put every
contribution in.. there's could be space constraints or the art could
be *takes a few seconds to think of the right words* not so nice...
and if it doesn't look so good then that can drive people away

3. is there going to be more than one version? remember there are
plenty of furry websites out there that might love running a furry
themed Debian distribution running there servers.. but servers have
different demands than a home desktop... there might even be a niche
for an os for furry businesses that could warrant another version..
which brings me to point four

4. what software packages are going to be installed by default? which
web browser? music player? what about the nonfree codecs? libdvdcss2?
there are actually some legal concerns with some of those packages in
some countries (you have to pay the holder of the patent on dvd
encryption to decrepit dvds to play them in the US and Japan (i
think..) )

this is part of what we need before we start promoting it... the other
half is some indication that something is going on because this is
kinda the third name (furbuntu>creatures>openfur) change for it and
once you release it you only have a few months before your gonna have
to release the next version.. it wouldn't be a good idea for us to
promote something that might not get going for some time.. i think
those of us who can promote will at the first beta.. because that's a
sign of progress that we can stand behind and say "hey wolfy boy check
this out" until something comes out that truly shows that this is
going to happen and not become vaporware... then we can promote and
you wont even have to ask..

(i gave up on grammar before half way.. tired.. sorry those that care
about such things)

[Crazd Foxx]

well... we dont really need to name it... its going to built into the GUI... just call it FAS  Fur Affinity Synch
and as far as how FA works... it seems to generate the entire page based on a template. so we cant just plug into the javascript get function directly... were going to have to talk to the SQL data base directly i think :/ witch is gonna make things a little more complicated but i think we can do it.

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Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 17:16:05 -0700
From: fur...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
CC: kich...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: RE: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

[Mr. The Plague]

Built into the GUI where? How do you envision hooking this FA sync
into the OS? What happens if there's somehow a conflict between your
on-disk state and the FA state? How do you expect to do this at all
when FA doesn't have any API or other way to interact with it besides
screen-scraping the HTML? (you are correct in that they generate the
entire page based on a template, but this is how most websites that
aren't just .html pages work)

Also, there's no chance in hell FA is going to let anyone direct
queries at their database. I'm not sure where you got the idea that
this would be a feasible thing in general, as most websites do not
expose such services.

-- Pi

[Crazd Foxx]

*face paws* im about to be frank here... its not about the art. its about the community. nobody cares about a "Furry OS" read the FA forums... nobody cares, they mock and make fun of the idea... so we need features, REAL features. something to offer except just putting pretty pictures for the backgrounds and having a little icon theme... if thats all any of yall are interested in making then i agree with the FA forum posts.

and i know what an OS and what it does. what im TRYING to do is make a completely new interface, not a window based or desktop based UI... im talking about making a android feeling UI but still maintaining the full functionality of a PC. so windows will be very compact. so what im getting at is we will be basically making our own window manager... not necissarily from the ground up but in the end it wont resemble any existing window manager... as far as new content. i think we should leave the background pics up to the user asside from including 8 or 10 pre packaged wallpaper images....also, about space constraints  were going to build the os to fit on a DVD... if some one doesnt have a DVD drive... then they need to get one. especially if they are on this DEV team, its 2011 people... and as far as hard drive space,were really not going to worry about so much. the main thing is RAM...

and on point 4... we will be making a list of included programs and yes we will be making more than one version, but we need to finnish what were chewing on now before we take another bite. witch is just simply getting our ideas onto paper and building an alpha
and yes if some one can track down any furry programs. those will be put in as well.
i do know we will be including all the basics...
open office.
firefox
trillian (if theres a linux version)
firestorm SL viewer.
as far as usuing anything that needs licensing. thats what donations will be for.

and with all due respect as far as having something to show... thats what im working on. im trying to get this all up and going. but seems like all anyone can do is question everything we  or i do. witch further delays the prgress of actually having anything done.

and i ask all of you on this team, while you are comming up with your ideas and when building this OS remember its about the comunity, and connecting it and sharing a common interest. not so much about the art. though there will be furry themed icons and boot up screens wall papers ect . but the main focus is not an "furry art OS"  but a "furry community OS"

Sincerely,  Current Project Lead, CrazdFoxx. :3

> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 20:57:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
> From: chriss...@gmail.com
> To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Mr. The Plague]

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 13:48, Crazd Foxx <craz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> *face paws* im about to be frank here... its not about the art. its about
> the community. nobody cares about a "Furry OS" read the FA forums...

I'd rather not.

> nobody cares, they mock and make fun of the idea... so we need features, REAL
> features. something to offer except just putting pretty pictures for the
> backgrounds and having a little icon theme... if thats all any of yall are
> interested in making then i agree with the FA forum posts.

No, in fact. That's what I've been ASKING about. What is the aim of this
project? I've asked 5 times and gotten 6 different, contradictory, nonanswers.

> and i know what an OS and what it does. what im TRYING to do is make a
> completely new interface, not a window based or desktop based UI... im
> talking about making a android feeling UI but still maintaining the full
> functionality of a PC.

Okay. This is a new goal that I haven't heard before.

> so windows will be very compact. so what im getting at is we will be
> basically making our own window manager... not necissarily from the ground up
> but in the end it wont resemble any existing window manager...

Okay. We'll need someone familiar with ICCCM, EMWH, and the X11 protocol. Do
you know anyone? Do you have any window managers in mind to base off of? Can
you at least make *mockups* of your interface ideas?

> as far as new content. i think we should leave the background pics up to the
> user asside from including 8 or 10 pre packaged wallpaper images....also,
> about space constraints  were going to build the os to fit on a DVD... if
> some one doesnt have a DVD drive... then they need to get one. especially if
> they are on this DEV team, its 2011 people... and as far as hard drive
> space,were really not going to worry about so much. the main thing is RAM...

This would be something that release engineering should be informed of. Who is
release engineering? How does an OS image get built? Is there release
automation? Testing? *What is going on???*

> and on point 4... we will be making a list of included programs and yes we
> will be making more than one version, but we need to finnish what were
> chewing on now before we take another bite. witch is just simply getting our
> ideas onto paper and building an alpha

Excuse me for asking this yet again, but WHAT are we "chewing on now"?
Who is in charge of this thing?

> and yes if some one can track down any furry programs. those will be put in
> as well.
> i do know we will be including all the basics...
> open office.
> firefox
> trillian (if theres a linux version)

... Are you serious? You're trying to build an OS and you don't know
what software you want to package, or even if the software exists on
the OS in question? Really?

> firestorm SL viewer.
> as far as usuing anything that needs licensing. thats what donations will be
> for.
>
> and with all due respect as far as having something to show... thats what im
> working on. im trying to get this all up and going. but seems like all
> anyone can do is question everything we  or i do. witch further delays the
> prgress of actually having anything done.

I'm asking fairly important questions and it's really disturbing that I keep
getting completely different and manifestly insane answers. You're trying to
build an OS and nobody here can explain the *build procedure*?

> and i ask all of you on this team, while you are comming up with your ideas
> and when building this OS remember its about the comunity, and connecting it
> and sharing a common interest. not so much about the art. though there will
> be furry themed icons and boot up screens wall papers ect . but the main
> focus is not an "furry art OS"  but a "furry community OS"
>
> Sincerely,  Current Project Lead, CrazdFoxx. :3

You're the... fifth, sixth "current project lead" on this thing, by the by.

[Crazd Foxx]

well, built the GUI as an amplet. just like cell phones and tablets do for services like facebook, twitter, google, IMs, emails ect... since we are not doing the classic desktop environment. building it directly into the UI will be a little easier. where it will flow better with how the GUI works and looks.
and we dont necessarily have to direct queries at the data base. there is always a back door, just have to be willing to put forth effort. im working on it...
but this is not very constructive behavior... i have not heard many actual ideas from anyone... just a whole lot of nay-saying against what we have thus far...
why not just try the synch. if it fails oh well we tried. this whole thing is just a bunch of amateur computer nerd furs working on a hobby anyways...just have fun with it and concentrate on accomplishing goals

> Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
> From: mrthe...@gmail.com
> To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Crazd Foxx]

you know what? your right. i resign from the project. i dont know what im doing, what direction or even why. so maybe i am just amplifying failure of this pittiful little project. im sorry ive wasted everyones time and recources but mr plauge is right...  i have nothing. i hardly know what im even talking about. so good luck :)

> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:03:08 -0700

> Subject: Re: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY

> From: mrthe...@gmail.com
> To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[WolFi]

Well, FA i guess wont mind to co-work with us, as long as they check the api well have to make for em for it to work...
Even if they dont want to have such a service... we can alllways crawl FA as google does... and make our own lil search engine to have our lil tool working... but... that will be... a lil bit harder...

Wathever... there is still a need of someone leading this lil project, as it needs to co-work with FA. And... before we have thhat project leader... we need to know who is going to work on it.

So... as everithing else, nothing is impossible, as long as we try to get it.

[Сергей Давыдов]

>
> and i know what an OS and what it does. what im TRYING to do is make a
> completely new interface, not a window based or desktop based UI... im
> talking about making a android feeling UI but still maintaining the full
> functionality of a PC. so windows will be very compact. so what im
> getting at is we will be basically making our own window manager... not
> necissarily from the ground up but in the end it wont resemble any
> existing window manager...

Wow, that's ambitious.
Unfortunately, there's no sensible way to get rid from the concept of the window, but there are sensible ways to manage them. You're not the first guy in history who thinks that the one from OS "Windows" is not a good one. But PCs need good multitasking, so a purely Android-like approach won't work either. From this idea arose tiling window managers, like "awesome" or "xmonad". They are good, but they all have one con: they're purely keyboard-driven and one can't use them without reading a long manual first. Having an intuitive GUI-driven one would be awesome (and guys from elementary project know this as well).

The idea is awesome, but it's not exclusively furry. The whole free desktop ecosystem would benefit from it. By declaring the project furry you narrow your target audience and, consequently, the number of contributors by at least 1000 times. And you don't seem to gain anything from declaring it furry.

So, stop calling it furry and it will be done. (actually, doing it means stopping toying with furry projects and hacking real stuff which is usually pretty generic, but I didn't say it.)

[Сергей Давыдов]

> if snatsel
> ever comes back he will be a leader as well. but idk... has anyone heard
> from him???

I'm kind of offline till the 24th of August.
And, face it, I'm not a good manager.

> if hes not apart of the group anymore we need to know,
> anyways...

"a part" or "apart"?

[Crazd Foxx]

alright, im out... i believe ill invest my time and ideas elsewhere.
pleasure doing business with you all. and i wish the best for you on your endeavors.

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From: shna...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Lets try this again: THE RIGHT WAY
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:23:17 +0400

[Сергей Давыдов]

I'll personally miss you, but it's your choice after all. Farewell.