Reboot soon.

[Joshua S.]

I am working on getting the project ready for a reboot, with new, more reachable goals and would like to know who is still interested in helping out. I will send out another announcement when i have the roadmap finished and the reboot is ready to initiate.

A few things i have worked out already are as follows:
- Work to get as much of the Ufurmix PPA moved to a new Openfur one

- The original leader of Ufurmix suggested we start most programs from scratch rather then try to hack the old base code up to date.

- Ger together a furry linux support system to help provide tips, tricks, and tutorials to furry linux users as well as allow them to ask question related to doing furry stuff in linux without feeling any possible stigma.

We will likely be supporting Ubuntu and/or Mint with the PPA.

That it for now. Let me know who is all here if you want. If you just want to watch the progress of the project feel free to stay tuned to this group.

Here's to second chances,

Linkthegamer, OpenFur Figurehead

[Ricardo Carrasco]

Im down

[Soul Retriever]

I'll help anyway I can

"Joshua S." <linkth...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Joshua S.]

It has been brought to my attention it was NOT programs that were suggested to be redone from scratch but just really whatever was in the PPA. The only program in the PPA anyway was Cricetida and not really sure what well need to be done to get that back in to working order if possible, I think the libraries it uses might be a couple years old now.

Now I am off to bed,

Linkthegamer, Figurehead and sleepy rouse.

[Lynn Keefe]

Not a programmer at all, but I've got enough disposable time to help find bugs/errors and whatnot.

[Adam]

I can help :)

2012/9/20 Soul Retriever <soulre...@live.co.uk>

[Timothy Holman]

I'm not sure what skillset I would have that is useful, but I will try to help in any way possible.

[Mr. The Plague]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Joshua S. <linkth...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am working on getting the project ready for a reboot, with new, more reachable goals and would like to know who is still interested in helping out. I will send out another announcement when i have the roadmap finished and the reboot is ready to initiate.

Looking forward to it! What sort of goals do you have in mind? Has there been any consideration given to release automation and engineering? This is a key interest of mine, and I'd like to be able to perform some of the same.

Also, I've been keeping the IRC channel active: ##fur-dev on anthrochat.

 

A few things i have worked out already are as follows:
- Work to get as much of the Ufurmix PPA moved to a new Openfur one

- The original leader of Ufurmix suggested we start most programs from scratch rather then try to hack the old base code up to date.

CADT-model development at its finest. :)

 

- Ger together a furry linux support system to help provide tips, tricks, and tutorials to furry linux users as well as allow them to ask question related to doing furry stuff in linux without feeling any possible stigma.

"Furry stuff" such as what? And what's this persecution-complex stuff about stigmas?

 

We will likely be supporting Ubuntu and/or Mint with the PPA.

 

"we will likely", meaning "it hasn't been decided yet" ??? YAY BIKESHEDDING TIME!!!

In all seriousness, for this project to succeed, it needs a *clear* focus and *clear* direction; not once in my years here have I seen such a thing. Instead, it's all about waffling over what distro to support.

-- Pi

[Jarrod Henry]

I am interested, but wonder if it would be more advantageous to make a
PPA vs an entire linux distribution when the differentiation would be
applications installed.

I have experience in python, ruby, sql, some web, C++.. let me know if
you want anything specific.

J

[Сергей Давыдов]

So I'm "the original leader of ufurmix" and I'm glad to hear from you, all of you!

Regarding my suggestions, me and LinkTheGamer misunderstood each other. As far as PPA content goes, reuse what you like, trash what you don't. I can't think of reason to redo everything from scratch.
All the sources, for stuff both released and unreleased, can be obtained by running "bzr checkout --lightweight lp:ufurmix" for the stuff from Lucid series and "bzr checkout --lightweight lp:ufurmix/karmic" for Karmic Koala stuff.

But my primary suggestion is:
Focus. Don't try to suit everybody. Pick a target audience. Identify the problem the audience's having and how you can solve it with your distro.
For example, travelling artists can bring a tablet along but cannot bring a desktop. Since laptops tend to be slow and/or bulky, they could use a simple and obvious LiveUSB system with minimal artistic setup and cloud sync for the paintings. This applies to non-furry artists as well, so you might consider making a non-furry edition later on (or maybe earlier on?). In this example, don't use a complicated base diistro like Arch or a complicated DE like KDE and don't mess with audio apps because there are smartphones/players for music already and you can't squeeze lots of music into a LiveUSB anyway.

As far as my participation goes, show me a document saying "we target these people, we solve these problems by doing these things" and you'll have the technical aspects figured out. Otherwise don't expect much because I already have a *real* project to hack and enjoy.

P.S. Nice userpic, Adam!
--
Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
OS architect @ elementary

[Jarrod Henry]

I agree wholeheartedly with Sergey here. A few months ago, I
approached him regarding the restarting of this project, (might have
been a year ago, tbh.)

I decided against it because I could not define that target audience
he mentioned. If you can't define that target audience, first and
foremost, I don't know if it's a good idea to reopen this. If you
can, well, that's good.

But that should be the first discussions here. Who is using this, why
would they use this, and what do they get from this that they cannot
get from other distributions of linux.

J

[Ricardo Carrasco]

Why not just start with theaming? Then move to programs that work for fa and inkbunny then a program like freenode but better for furs to communicate. So target is just furs in gen

[Joshua S.]

This was really just to gauge what kind of support the project still had. A more focused and acurate roadmap is in the works. But I wanted to let people know some of the basics to gague if they can help and see this is not the same make a furry linux OS project previously attempted. The only reason I said mint or ubuntu is I am not sure which most linux furs use now a day.

[Joshua S.]

The main plan at the moment is to get the PPA back to being up to date. That liveOS thing is more when the project has more momentum and considerable though has been put into it. Going to be starting small this time around.

[Kiefer Jackson]

Remove me from the mailing list and feeds. I have some serious enemies who hate me who might be part of this project

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Bio-digital Jazz,man!

[Joshua S.]

I will see if i can. Try self removial via unsubscribing as well.

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[Joshua S.]

I got some time so i am going to mention some things:

It should be noted that that CDAT thing is actually quite right, Just make the T stand from "Twentysomething" XP I will not deny I have ADHD, Thus why i am actually working out a better laid out plan before posting it. This post was infact also done right before i went

The list included was only to give a general idea of what the plans will be so i didn't get a bunch of post related to not being able to help make an OS when we are currently not working on that.

I would like to get a clear plan of when we will update packages for each new release and so on.

On the topic of "Fursecution" i didn't mean furries are experiencing some form of mass stigma. I really don't know what i was thinking there. I guess that it might be a little awkward to ask why Furcadia keeps crashing under the version of wine you have installed. 

As for a target audience, I would think at this stage we should just focus on furs who already have a Linux system as it seemed a lot of furs when hearing about the project asked "why a furry linux? Why not just a furry firefox or a USB full of animal dongs?" Likely linux will not be a viable option to get people to switch to till it has more support. Linux just doesn't have the game support and photoshop native that would be required to get more furs interested in using it. There are furs using linux who liked the old PPA and it seems like a good place to start. Since everyone seems to think so If their has to be a sub-target audience i will just go with artist. So many plan to make a PPA for furry artists. So yeah... Basically just rebooting Ufurmix for now.

I would like to expand to support other things like video editing and writing at a later point but just seems like artist would be the Windows of the fandom. And focusing on existing linux furs will allow us to not have to try an sell a whole new OS and all the learning that comes with it. Though working on making stuff more user friendly is not out of the question. Oh and lastly don't feel everything has to be furry oriented. It would be great to have stuff for anyone furry or not to use.

[Jarrod Henry]

I've been looking through the PPA and what not .. not much is really
of use in there. Not saying there's nothing, but a lot of it is just
assets like artwork and the like.

[Сергей Давыдов]

2012/9/23 Joshua S. <linkth...@gmail.com>

A more focused and acurate roadmap is in the works.

Cool. It would be nice to see other people's proposals too. Let's start from identifying the problems we could solve and then run a community poll to check if those problems actually exist.

The main plan at the moment is to get the PPA back to being up to date. That liveOS thing is more when the project has more momentum and considerable though has been put into it. Going to be starting small this time around.

Building LiveCD ISOs is a matter of 10 minutes of your time and an hour of machine time once you have the PPA.

CADT-model development at its finest. :)

To reiterate, all released things are completely reusable. I'm not aware of any design flaws or unfixed bugs except lack of translation support and messy code in Firefox startpage, but it's party Firefox's fault and you can't reuse it anyway because 12.04's Firefox doesn't support offline startpages. There are no known bugs beside this one in ufurmix 10.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ufurmix

And focusing on existing linux furs will allow us to not have to try an sell a whole new OS and all the learning that comes with it.

Typically they're geeky enough to not need any pre-built distros and come up with more personalized theming than a distro can provide. So no problems to solve here. Besides, that seems to be a really tiny fraction of the fandom.

--
Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff

[Joshua S.]

Yeah but people liked the art it seemed.

Also I know Linux furs is a rather small part of the fandom but it seems to be the most obtainable lot. It is hard to get people to consider having to relearn everything they know about computers. They know there current OS from home, work, school, and the likes. We still have the command line with it's horrible stigma. Just not really sure we will have any bigger an audience if we go the recruiting route. I mean for now just providing artwork and improvements for furs with existing installs.

To be a cynic I would have to say while that minimal OS for artist sounds nice I bet a lot of people would just wait to get a Windows 8 ARM tablet that can run SAI and Photoshop then install something like dropbox or skydrive in order to do their syncing.

And to be clear i am talking about a PPA at the moment, not a distro. A distro would take a lot more planning and up-selling to the community (why use it? why not just use Mint or Ubuntu if i want a Linux, they have more support? What can it do that my computer can't? what can my computer do that it can't? What makes it furry? Is it just another stupid "put a paw on it" project? Why does the fandom need it? How does it make the fandom look? Does it cast furries in the proper light? etcetera ad nauseum (that last bit is latin if you use a translator and basically means "and so on repeated to the point of sickness"))

I would love for someone to prove me wrong though, I am by no means an expert and could just be misinformed.

[WolFi]

Well... most of the people uses windows, true, but.. each day more and more people and companyes its making its programs, games, etc. linux compatible.

Anyways... we are talking about doing something for furryes or for a more generic public? Becouse a really important question....

If we target it just for furries we should focus on cross compatibility of the programs we make. Make themes for programs that allow that stuff for furry users to be more confortable... and such stuff... center in furry comunity, make usefull stuff for it.

If we target a bigger public... well we should know what are we targeting at first place, and next make something usefull for them.

Anyways... this group is called openfur so i guess its focused on furs so... i better stop writing stuff XD

[Joshua S.]

Well... most of the people uses windows, true, but.. each day more and more people and companyes its making its programs, games, etc. linux compatible.

 

The problem is that such support is still lagging, sure linux driver are getting much better and steam has a linux beta in the works but the general users is not like a company or group of people. Things like Minecraft are only supports linux and mac because they are coded cross platform compatible languages like java. So some linux support is the result of more OS Independent coding. Even if it is not most people will still need the big names or something very close (I am sure it will be forever before we ever see Microsoft Office for Linux) before they would consider moving. I mean people are pissed at iOS 6's Apple Maps, sure it will get better with use and over time but they want something that works just like the previous google maps and they want it NOW.

Anyways... we are talking about doing something for furryes or for a more generic public? Becouse a really important question....

If we target it just for furries we should focus on cross compatibility of the programs we make. Make themes for programs that allow that stuff for furry users to be more confortable... and such stuff... center in furry comunity, make usefull stuff for it.

If we target a bigger public... well we should know what are we targeting at first place, and next make something usefull for them.

Anyways... this group is called openfur so i guess its focused on furs so... i better stop writing stuff XD

I would figure we would work mainly with a focus on furs but i would not say just helping the general public is out of the question. 

[Сергей Давыдов]

When it comes to Ubuntu Furry Remix legacy, talk is cheap; let me show you the code.

9.10 release:
Mostly theming, minor ease of use enhancements.
Screenshots: https://picasaweb.google.com/100773621717907681037/UbuntuFurryRemix910Screenshots
Can be obtained from http://shnatsel.narod.ru/ufurmix-old-releases.html

10.04 release:
More theming, more wallpapers, custom sound theme, custom icon theme with furry elements in it (samples attached because it doesn't appear in screenshots).
Improvements to artistic workflow:
Furry Remix was the only distro at least among Debian derivatives to include GIMP Paint Studio, OpenRaster thumbnailers or OpenRaster plugin for GIMP. OpenRaster is relevant because it's the native format of MyPaint, which totally rocks if you have a tablet. As far as I know it was also the only distro to ship GIMP-Painter patch by default.
It also included updated versions of MyPaint, Inkscape and Blender, and some tablet drivers (notably for latest high-end Wacoms) that were not available in Ubuntu at the time.
Screenshots: http://daemon.rusfur.net/up/ubuntu_furry_remix_screenshots/
Can be obtained from http://shnatsel.narod.ru/ufurmix-downloads.html

Later I've pushed some of the 10.04 work elsewhere. GIMP file icon can be seen in elementary icon theme; GIMP Paint Studio and OpenRaster stuff with my packaging are included in KXStudio now.

Was Ubuntu Furry Remix a big deal? Probably. 9.10 was nothing really special, but 10.04 was the best artistic distro of its time, paws down. With 10.04 I even kind of regretted restricting it to the furry fandom instead of going for a general-audience distro; I should have probably made a general-audience version too, that could be a hit.

Is Ubuntu Furry Remix its legacy a big deal for you now? Probably not. After the GNOME3 and LightDM transition most of the theming is bitrotten, GIMP 2.8 includes OpenRaster plugin by default, and Ubuntu 12.04 has excellent tablet drivers (yes, Unity is slow and poorly designed, but that's what elementary OS is for).

The immediately reusable components are the wallpapers (duh), sound theme (probably) and animal smiley themes for Pidgin (which is no longer the default IM client). Boot screen and icon theme are reusable, but could use an update to the latest upstream versions. All other released things are of no use to you.

I encourage you to download Furry Remix 10.04 and see it for yourself before discussing it further. It's quite a sight, I assure you ;) We also had some beautiful but unreleased stuff, so I encourage you to "bzr checkout --lightweight lp:ufurmix" too.

Anyways... we are talking about doing something for furryes or for a more generic public? Becouse a really important question....

If we target it just for furries we should focus on cross compatibility of the programs we make. Make themes for programs that allow that stuff for furry users to be more confortable... and such stuff... center in furry comunity, make usefull stuff for it.

If we target a bigger public... well we should know what are we targeting at first place, and next make something usefull for them.

+1

Since this discussion is not going anywhere yet, I'll probably unsubscibe from this list. Email me when you have a goal and a vision.

--
Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff

[Jarrod Henry]

Resubmitting this for various reasons..


Okay, what I'm about to say is a bit cold, but I've been a furry for
awhile. When I was first a furry, back in 1994 and such, I went for
furry things because they were furry. I wanted my life to be "fur
this , fur that , furry furry furry."

That's a nice concept, but in practice, it's not really that feasible
or rewarding. Here are some stark realities.

What furry is is different for everyone. So targeting a market for
the "general furry" is worthless. The general furry can get by with
Chrome and bookmarks to SoFurry, FA, Inkbunny, DA, Flayrah, and a few
other sites. What you need are applications that differentiate.
You need to give people software that approaches their lifestyle.
Custom muck clients. IRC programs preinstalled with selections made.
Password managers for the various galleries. Gallery management apps
to manage their artwork collections (and back them up). Feeds set up to furry
things. Calendar programs with a preprogrammed furry list.
Notification programs that can scrape (or API use) FA, DA, SF,
Inkbunny, and pull in messages. Maybe second life clients to allow
users to access SL out of the box.

It's not that I think this is a bad idea, I don't, and hey, linux is
free, go wild.. but I do think this is uneccessary, and that you are
solving problems that don't exist.

J/GraemeLion

[Ricardo Carrasco]

thank you! i was just about to say that they where making it too
complicate it. i mean if we where to just theme first then move on
forward like we originally had (ps we stoped cuz grub got updated to
grup 2 just as we finished) but yes, i say start in theming then move
to the things you mentioned

[linkthegamer]

Exactly. It appears i failed to show the intention was just theme and some improvements and not a full blown distro at this point.

Also to expand on the help thing. One of my artist friends who tried Ubuntu and Mint said he would like to have more tutorials for how to do certain things (like what needs to be done to install flash in ubuntu) Now before anyone calls me an idiot i don't mean we need to remake every linux tut with hand puppets or anything. Just make some tuts as are needed and link to good one already in existence.

[Ricardo Carrasco]

Yeah that would be nice. We could place them on the descktop under a folder named something like openfur's tuts. (Or just plain old Ubuntu tuts)

[Mr. The Plague]

So is this the plan moving forward? Theming and "how to install flash"-type tutorials?

I've got to agree with GraemeLion here. You people are trying to solve nonexistent problems. Maybe y'all can hook up with the people trying to make a brony linux and the two groups will mutually annihilate.

[linkthegamer]

So it would seem I did not explain my current plans all that well in the first post. Allow me to fix that.

I fudged up saying basically bringing Ufurmix back as i forgot they had ISOs (I used their channel on Ubuntu instead). My current plan is to NOT work on the distro yet as it is highly unplanned and the source of most the butthurt in the group. Phase one is only to get a PPA up and running to provide themes and tweaks to existing furry linux users.

My suggested are based on asking friends what they would like to see in linux to make them want to switch. We need to understand that their IS a learning curve and the meaning of metaverse and universe is not as explicate to some people. If this problem doesn't exist give me a link to the solution and I will have it placed on the front page of the site when we get one up. I would be more then happy to not have to record tut videos as i don't like how i sound on my computer's internal microphone.

Also instead of saying that my target audience is to small or the problems are nonexistant, why not suggest a new target audience or some problems we can fix. That is why we have a mailing list. It will take me a while to guess the correct audience and problem for the group. Let me know what i can do/should do to fix it. It is hard to fix a bug when all the error reports just say "There is a bug." State what I am not seeing.

Why would we annihilate? Hanna Montana OS got at least one version out. Also the bronies i have met are quite nice people.

[Ricardo Carrasco]

Lol the side tracks. How would you guys like a "hang out" meeting? I'm a very social person and I feel we will move a lot with a hang out

[linkthegamer]

Maybe at some point, some of the team is from the EU and others from the US so it is hard to get everyone together.

Also I would like to point out to everyone that post ARE moderated and we want to keep stuff family friendly from now on. So no cussing or sexual references please. Other then that I don't care if the post calls me a moron, as long as it is kid friendly it will be allowed past moderation.

[Mr. The Plague]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM, linkthegamer <linkth...@gmail.com> wrote:

So it would seem I did not explain my current plans all that well in the first post. Allow me to fix that.

First post, subsequent posts, this post... Y'know.

 

I fudged up saying basically bringing Ufurmix back as i forgot they had ISOs (I used their channel on Ubuntu instead). My current plan is to NOT work on the distro yet as it is highly unplanned and the source of most the butthurt in the group. Phase one is only to get a PPA up and running to provide themes and tweaks to existing furry linux users.

It makes it extremely hard for me to take you seriously when you use the term 'butthurt'.

Please inform me as to what kind of "tweaks" that you want to make that would be targeted towards "existing furry linux users".

 

My suggested are based on asking friends what they would like to see in linux to make them want to switch. We need to understand that their IS a learning curve and the meaning of metaverse and universe is not as explicate to some people. If this problem doesn't exist give me a link to the solution and I will have it placed on the front page of the site when we get one up. I would be more then happy to not have to record tut videos as i don't like how i sound on my computer's internal microphone.

I cannot parse this paragraph after the first sentence. Can you please make yourself clear? Are you targeting new users all of a sudden? How can I give you a solution to a nonexistent problem? What is going on the site? What is this about tutorial videos? In short, what in the actual are you talking about?

 

Also instead of saying that my target audience is to small or the problems are nonexistant, why not suggest a new target audience or some problems we can fix. That is why we have a mailing list. It will take me a while to guess the correct audience and problem for the group. Let me know what i can do/should do to fix it. It is hard to fix a bug when all the error reports just say "There is a bug." State what I am not seeing.

You have not defined a target audience beyond 'furries'. As stated before, this is a meaningless grouping.

 

Why would we annihilate? Hanna Montana OS got at least one version out. Also the bronies i have met are quite nice people.

Once again, you have failed to state plans or goals. All you've got is "i've asked some people some questions and don't want to make videos".

What is this project's goal? What sort of deliverable do you have planned, on what timeframe? What are you doing to bring this alleged project to completion?

Also I would like to point out to everyone that post ARE moderated and we want to keep stuff family friendly from now on. So no cussing or sexual references please. Other then that I don't care if the post calls me a moron, as long as it is kid friendly it will be allowed past moderation

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

are you serious

are you seriously serious

[linkthegamer]

On Monday, September 24, 2012 6:19:32 PM UTC-4, Eugene Belford wrote:

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM, linkthegamer <linkth...@gmail.com> wrote:

So it would seem I did not explain my current plans all that well in the first post. Allow me to fix that.

First post, subsequent posts, this post... Y'know.

 

 

Okay. It just seems that everything keeps going back to the Distro.

I fudged up saying basically bringing Ufurmix back as i forgot they had ISOs (I used their channel on Ubuntu instead). My current plan is to NOT work on the distro yet as it is highly unplanned and the source of most the butthurt in the group. Phase one is only to get a PPA up and running to provide themes and tweaks to existing furry linux users.

It makes it extremely hard for me to take you seriously when you use the term 'butthurt'.

Please inform me as to what kind of "tweaks" that you want to make that would be targeted towards "existing furry linux users".

I used butthurt due to the moderation policy on this mailing list.

Suggestions for things that should be tweak would be nice. Maybe features that should be added to programs like the GIMP and such.

 

 

My suggested are based on asking friends what they would like to see in linux to make them want to switch. We need to understand that their IS a learning curve and the meaning of metaverse and universe is not as explicate to some people. If this problem doesn't exist give me a link to the solution and I will have it placed on the front page of the site when we get one up. I would be more then happy to not have to record tut videos as i don't like how i sound on my computer's internal microphone.

I cannot parse this paragraph after the first sentence. Can you please make yourself clear? Are you targeting new users all of a sudden? How can I give you a solution to a nonexistent problem? What is going on the site? What is this about tutorial videos? In short, what in the actual are you talking about?

Why do people seem to assume an existing user would be an expert?

It would be nice to still help make linux friendlier in whatever way we can.

What i was saying was if it exist give me a link to a database of easy linux tutorials, show me what simple google search term i should point people to. Why reinvent the wheel? 

 

Also instead of saying that my target audience is to small or the problems are nonexistant, why not suggest a new target audience or some problems we can fix. That is why we have a mailing list. It will take me a while to guess the correct audience and problem for the group. Let me know what i can do/should do to fix it. It is hard to fix a bug when all the error reports just say "There is a bug." State what I am not seeing.

You have not defined a target audience beyond 'furries'. As stated before, this is a meaningless grouping.

I did, I said we can focus on furry artist already using linux, and i was told that was too small a target.

 

 

Why would we annihilate? Hanna Montana OS got at least one version out. Also the bronies i have met are quite nice people.

Once again, you have failed to state plans or goals. All you've got is "i've asked some people some questions and don't want to make videos".

What is this project's goal? What sort of deliverable do you have planned, on what timeframe? What are you doing to bring this alleged project to completion?

Good questions. I will work on the answers for those.

Also I would like to point out to everyone that post ARE moderated and we want to keep stuff family friendly from now on. So no cussing or sexual references please. Other then that I don't care if the post calls me a moron, as long as it is kid friendly it will be allowed past moderation

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

are you serious

are you seriously serious

 

 Yes, I am. I not a fan of censorship by any means but this group is visible to anyone.

[Сергей Давыдов]

2012/9/24 Ricardo Carrasco <ricardo...@gmail.com>

Yeah that would be nice. We could place them on the descktop under a folder named something like openfur's tuts. (Or just plain old Ubuntu tuts)

Ever wondered why no general-purpose distros do that?

FYI, installing flash player and other nonfree/multiverse stuff is a checkbox in installer. Instead of requiring the user to *read a text file* and then *mess with their system*, just flip that checkbox on by default.

Man... if you're after that kind of stuff, just pick elementary OS as base distro and be done with it. You don't seem to have any user experience designers on board anyway.

Come on guys. Every single distro is after general-purpose UX improvements in one way or the other. You cannot possibly compete with the rest of linux world, and more fragmentation is the last thing the world needs. So either go collab with projects you like and never think of a separate distro again, or make a niche distro that meets the needs of a very specific target audience that are not met by general-purpose distros.

I had this mail in drafts for a while, I see you've got a brainstorming thread now; good. I'm unsubscribing myself from the list after I post this message. When/if you come up with a "we target these people, we solve these problems by doing these things" vision, let me know.

--
Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff

P.S. Ricardo: I'm looking forward to hearing from Joshua ;)

[linkthegamer]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:15:55 AM UTC-4, Shnatsel wrote:

2012/9/24 Ricardo Carrasco <ricardo...@gmail.com>

Yeah that would be nice. We could place them on the descktop under a folder named something like openfur's tuts. (Or just plain old Ubuntu tuts)

Ever wondered why no general-purpose distros do that?

Ubuntu doesn't do that exactly, but they do include a folder of "examples" to showcase what you can do.

 

FYI, installing flash player and other nonfree/multiverse stuff is a checkbox in installer. Instead of requiring the user to *read a text file* and then *mess with their system*, just flip that checkbox on by default.

 

That is true, I forgot they added the install non-free codec option to Ubiquity. (I knew mint gave you the option of getting an ISO with them on it.) Still can we just assume someone will never ever ever have to use synaptic/apt-get or a terminal and thus proving such help is unnecessary.

 

Man... if you're after that kind of stuff, just pick elementary OS as base distro and be done with it. You don't seem to have any user experience designers on board anyway.

The flash thing was an example. I just figured providing users with some nice guides would be useful. I have had a friend not even know what a terminal was.

 

Come on guys. Every single distro is after general-purpose UX improvements in one way or the other. You cannot possibly compete with the rest of linux world, and more fragmentation is the last thing the world needs. So either go collab with projects you like and never think of a separate distro again, or make a niche distro that meets the needs of a very specific target audience that are not met by general-purpose distros.

I came up with a target but it was too small. Broadening the scope to non-linux furries then makes a lot of general-purpose stuff come into play, furries are also general users. I never said i wanted to compete, in fact I said i want such improvements to be possible to send upstream or downstream but didn't uses those words because Mr. The Plague is going to point out it don't exactly know the meaning of them.

 

I had this mail in drafts for a while, I see you've got a brainstorming thread now; good. I'm unsubscribing myself from the list after I post this message. When/if you come up with a "we target these people, we solve these problems by doing these things" vision, let me know.

As a side note we WILL be using some form of existing base, I said either Mint or Ubuntu depending on which we think would be the more used of the two. I know I compiled the CreatureS base, but that was a LONG and TEDIOUS task, and that was just for the stuff needed for a terminal environment, I didn't even get to working on a graphical one or figuring out how to implement things like package management and i don't really understand half the options i saw when i compiled the kernel. Point being I don't want to make a new base or take existing code and fork it till it becomes it's own base (Like Mandrake did with Red Hat)

 

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Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff

P.S. Ricardo: I'm looking forward to hearing from Joshua ;)

P.S. Sorry if I am getting a little hostile, I just feel like I am getting twisted in knots. I never signed up to be a leader really, mainly to figurehead in order to be the public face of the project and pipe peoples questions or concerns to the right member while dealing with all the bad stuff that we are going to be hit with. It this project gets anywhere we will likely have to deal with trolls, furs who HATE the idea, Linux Bashers, and several other groups. I am currently acting as leader because I want to see Openfur make something of itself. Leading this project is very grinding, thus why we have lost several previous leader and members. Help me to get this project where it needs to be, don't just say i am off course. If you have a suggestion on something we should do go post to the brainstorm thread. This is not a one man project.

[Ricardo Carrasco]

yeah and i think it was you who said it but we could just start with a
ppa. no iso for the bigging

[linkthegamer]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:14:00 PM UTC-4, Ricardo Carrasco wrote:

yeah and i think it was you who said it but we could just start with a
ppa. no iso for the bigging

Yeah, I think it would be best to focus on the PPA first then worry about what to include on an ISO later (we will have to deal with hosting it and keeping it a reasonable size but with lots of nice stuff and getting it up to date and ready to burn with the next update of the base.).

[WolFi]

its anybody still up for this?

[Ricardo Carrasco]

I hope so! I've been busy so I haven't done much here due to life but
i hope as soon as things settle back down ill start working on as i
can

[linkthegamer]

It kinda hit the fan for me work wise so I haven't been able to get much done on the roadmap. I am thinking about also making a list of stuff i don't plan on doing with the project to ease peoples suspicions.

[WK]

hello you must be link i am WK i have been studying linux and java and would like to join the development plus i am a furry

[hijera...@gmail.com]

Hi, i'm furry and i'm using ubuntu a lot.
I know a lot of languages (C, object pascal,php, sh etc), so i think i don't enough time to do main code (except small scripts)
So i'm leader of furry information site, and i can bring info about development to masses, so it can help to find volounteers.

[Joshua S.]

If you do post on your site be sure to mention that we are just looking for volunteers at this time and are still very much in the development phase. Last time we tried recruiting things got a little messed up with it sounding like where were already almost done and got us a lot of questions we could not answer at that time. Welcome to the team.