I'm done

[Theyain the Fox]

This has been a fairly big waste of my time the last 3.5 years. There
is to much bickering and not enough work. I've put WAY to much energy
into this since I started this in 06/07 only to see anger, distrust,
and a whole slew of stupid ideas come out. I'm all for everyone
having their own opinion, but either trying to force it on others,
ignoring what people say, just being a general ***hat is a bit much.

You guys can have your fun with your little project. I have more
important things to do.

Also, who ever came up with the idea of making a furry touch tablet
needs to get a better grip on things.


Theyain.

PS, I won't be seeing any responses, so don't try to comment towards
me. You'll be wasting your time.

[Theyain Riyu]

Just know that anyone who has ever tried contributing to the projects
and have also had been apart of ANY meeting has had a hand in killing
all of these distributions. This could of been something awesome, but
our constant arguing, inability to decide on even the simple things, and
near complete lack being able to follow anyone who was in charge.

[Steffen Apstein - Müller]

I am not deep within, but can it be that there is a lack of someone neutral
controlling checking and deciding things?

[richard moorer]

ok, I think that things have not been going as they should be.

 

and I think the only way to fix this is to re-organize how we want to work and what everyone does.

in other words, we need to make sure everyone has specific tasks they will be doing.

 

I imagine this to be done by defiding the team into smaller team groups.

for example the groups we can have would then be:

Developers

Beta-Testers

Web team

Translation Team

 

and so on.

 

I think being in more then one group would be ok, if you have the time to activly work on both.

being in one group does not mean you can't help with a other group, so a Developer can also help with translation, for example.

 

 

 

 

if anyone has other ideas, say so, not everyone has the ideas, but if we are not going to work together using some standards we are going down.

[Mr. The Plague]

On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:56 PM, richard moorer
<foxofi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, I think that things have not been going as they should be.

No, indeed, they haven't. I've been watching this project for a few
years and seen exactly nothing get done in the process. For a long
while, nobody was certain which distribution the thing was going to be
based on; at another point there was some confusion among everyone
involved regarding what the project actually -was-. It has flipflopped
between a Linux distro, a theme for a linux distro, a package manager
"optimized for dialup" that uses BitTorrent, and a project to patch
GTK for... some reason.

> and I think the only way to fix this is to re-organize how we want to work
> and what everyone does.

That is generally how this project has been going for the entire time
I've been watching it. "Nothing happens! We should reorganize!"

> in other words, we need to make sure everyone has specific tasks they will
> be doing.

Yes. This goes without saying. This is not a new result.

Again, the entire time I've been watching this project, it's been a
gigantic orgy of "PAINT THE BIKESHED BLUE" from all corners. It's
amusing to watch, but in the end, it boils down to "xyzzy: nothing
happens".

> I imagine this to be done by defiding the team into smaller team groups.
> for example the groups we can have would then be:

> Develoblah blah blah i want to play clubhouse

This is playing pretend bureaucracy, and hence this is not getting
work done. Stop that.

> if anyone has other ideas, say so, not everyone has the ideas, but if we are
> not going to work together using some standards we are going down.

Hi. I'm your new technical lead. Our target platform is FreeBSD-9 on
i386 and AMD64 with XFCE as the desktop environment. Join ##fur-dev on
irc.anthrochat.net and start screaming at me for being a troll.

Or, we could get work done on actually making an OS. Your call.

[Crazd Foxx]

yeah. i mentioned this idea once before about separating into smaller separate teams. but i did not get much support from the founder. and i was elected leader of the project for a short time but i couldn't organize anybody to do anything. so yeah it would be a good idea to separate the team up into smaller groups.
and i totally agree that we need to make our goals a little more realistic... i myself am guilty of over ambitious goals. but we need to focus on a more realisic common goal instead of everyone coming up with their own little projects. 
although a tablet isnt too crazy of an idea if you know what you are doing. you can rebuild net-books into touch tablets pretty easily with kits you can buy online.

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Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 08:56:57 +0200

Subject: Re: I'm done

From: foxofi...@gmail.com
To: ope...@googlegroups.com

[Сергей]

By the way, guys, while you argue, I'm doing real work in my quiet corner. Packaged a thumbnailer for OpenRaster format used by MyPaint just today, and made it pull upstream code updates and package them for Debian/Ubuntu and publish them automatically.

You can safely argue for several more months because we have a nice LTS release to back us up till 12.04, but you know, you'll need at about 6 months to make a decent release, so please try to figure out something by 11.10.

Cheers
--
Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff