Brainstorm

[WolFi]

Ok... as i see noone is up with anything i open this thread here.

I would ask that anyone that post here doesent post about "there is no point for this project" or stuff like that.

ok, now to the point of the thing...

I guess everyone that entered this project had expectatives of any kind about it. If at any point this is going to work there are needed ideas, so... lets collect ideas, and discuss them later

So... back to the point ideas, ideas, ideas... thats the lack on this project

Now the first idea, coming from me:
    Logical roadmap:

1. Start with the ufurmix theme and stuff
2. Check the code and re-code the needed parts of the mentioned programs
3. Next good idea found on this thread?

Allright... now as an idea, and at the point this is centered on furry comunity...  applications for FA, DA, and others, as pointed by someone somewere.

And... thats all... hope this thread becomes usefull and not another duscussion thread about "whats the point of this?" becouse its meant to help find points for it

[linkthegamer]

i approve.

[Ricardo Carrasco]

for idea one, i think we should start from the start:
Grub2
ldm (log in menu)
window's buttons
unity's icons.
Backgrounds
sounds?
cursor?

this should be a good start area for now.


On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:11 PM, linkthegamer <linkth...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[Jarrod Henry]

Back when I considered restarting this, I took the gallery downloader (cricedia, or something like that) and did a code review and analysis on it.

It's really basic, and uses old GTK libs.  Much of it has been deprecated, and would require a full rewrite.  I don't think there's anything there that can be used moving forward, tbh.

Focusing on the artistic, easy , low hanging fruits is a good idea.  As for apps, I suggest those move to later in the project when there's more of an idea who the audience is.

[Сергей Давыдов]

I'm going to say it and I'm going to say it rude: wearing a T-shirt with a pawprint on it is not what makes you a furry. And having a pawprint on the boot screen is not what makes the computer experience furry either. Especially when the pawprint has nothing to do with your species. Not sure about you, but for me being a furry is/was a deep, personal thing.

Guys, forget the theming. Think of what makes you a furry and how is that applied to the way you interact with computers.

If there's nothing, fall back to shaping user experience; http://tobiasahlin.com/blog/skeumorphism-and-storytelling/ will probably give you an idea of what that means (just don't go too skeuomorphism-happy: http://www.design-by-izo.com/2012/03/31/digital-kitsch-lies-to-the-user-presumes-theyre-stupid/).

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Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff

[Ricardo Carrasco]

we could also use the standard ppa's or gedit. honestly I'm new to the
bug tracking scenario

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:32 PM, WolFi <fur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Using some platform to arganize tasts and asigning roles to the people and
> so.
>
> As we allready have the linux theming part pretty clear we could start
> allready that point
>
> I know about bug genie http://www.thebuggenie.com/
>
> If anyone has any better ideas, they are wellcome

[Ricardo Carrasco]

also just for simplicity's sake we could just use googel doc's! since
its a rather simple project for now

[Rooks Owl]

Hrm. Furries. Well the only furry thing I do on my computer is browse
furry websites with Firefox and organize a bunch of, ahem, "mature
images" I store in a messy folder.

Three larger-than-life projects that could come into existence could be:

1) A set of Firefox add-ons that make using common furry websites
(FA, SF etc) a touch easier, sort of like how the Reddit Enhancement
Suite works with Reddit.

2) Some funky modified version of Shotwell or something, better
designed to managing large, large, collections of images. Might have
the ability to encrypt and compress a collection into a single
portable file for instance, or feature e621-esqe tagging search. I
dunno.

3) A command line program like wget that acts like a home-based
image meta search engine, querying all the major & minor art storage
sites for images. I cannot tell you how much it sucks as furry to have
to search site by site by site to get a good selection of pics. I
mean, that can't be that hard to make, right? Right? Please?

So like, basically, I'm saying - furries are addicted to media and the
internet. In fact, as a furry, I'm using the internet right now. But
the one bad thing about the internet is that it's HARD. Real hard.
Media is the same, all scattered across the nets and disorganized. So
to get the furries interested let's make a bunch of internet related
utilities and media management tools. Stuff that sucks all that
goodnes off the net and onto our screens, things that act like slave
janitors cleaning up after our 5-hour long spate of image
rightclick-save'ing, and things that make talking with my "furiends"
as quick and natural as minimizing a window and focusing on the
desktop.

I want the internet and I want all the media, and I want it now. 'Nuff said.

[linkthegamer]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:28:14 AM UTC-4, Rookzowl wrote:

Hrm. Furries. Well the only furry thing I do on my computer is browse
furry websites with Firefox and organize a bunch of, ahem, "mature
images" I store in a messy folder.

 

Three larger-than-life projects that could come into existence could be:

  1) A set of Firefox add-ons that make using common furry websites
(FA, SF etc) a touch easier, sort of like how the Reddit Enhancement
Suite works with Reddit.

Their was a plugin for FA a while back that added a button to allow you to do the same as "SAVE IMAGE AS..." but i don't know the current status of it. Also fair warning, people will bitch about that being the furry version of Blackbird (A version of Firefox preloaded with stuff for the African-American community).

 

  2) Some funky modified version of Shotwell or something, better
designed to managing large, large, collections of images. Might have
the ability to encrypt and compress a collection into a single
portable file for instance, or feature e621-esqe tagging search. I
dunno.

Interesting idea. Improved image tagging might be something that would be very helpful.

 

  3) A command line program like wget that acts like a home-based
image meta search engine, querying all the major & minor art storage
sites for images. I cannot tell you how much it sucks as furry to have
to search site by site by site to get a good selection of pics. I
mean, that can't be that hard to make, right? Right? Please?

This is a nice idea, but people will say "just uses google images and Boolean tagging, don't try to compete with search engines."

Cricetida had the some of this function. It was designed to pull art off of sites like FA (other sites where mentioned but not coded), however besides being based on old libraries the program ran into a major problem. It would abort if the name conventions where not correct for any image, FA had (and may still have) a problem where occasionally a file will end up with the name 12345 or 12345.furartist.fox and not the correct 12345.furartist.fox.jpeg. I never did get to test it was because of the missing extension glitched files or the numbers only glitched files. Not sure how it would work if we updated it or if that is even possible.

 

So like, basically, I'm saying - furries are addicted to media and the
internet. In fact, as a furry, I'm using the internet right now. But
the one bad thing about the internet is that it's HARD. Real hard.
Media is the same, all scattered across the nets and disorganized. So
to get the furries interested let's make a bunch of internet related
utilities and media management tools. Stuff that sucks all that
goodnes off the net and onto our screens, things that act like slave
janitors cleaning up after our 5-hour long spate of image
rightclick-save'ing, and things that make talking with my "furiends"
as quick and natural as minimizing a window and focusing on the
desktop.

I want the internet and I want all the media, and I want it now. 'Nuff said.

Thanks for providing some ideas and explaining why you believe they would be beneficial. 

[linkthegamer]

Thanks for those links, I will be sure to give them a read.

Themes were a part of Ufurmix people liked. Don't forget came here from CreatureS, we were not very fond of the idea of a furry OS just being "like ubuntu but with anthros and paws."

[WolFi]

well i talked about some project handling becouse this project has many projects that are kind of independient from each other, this is more like a "this would be cool for furs on their computers" project than an OS from my point of view so...

We can start working on stuff, but goodle docs or groups isnt the right thing to manage a project between more than 2 people

Three larger-than-life projects that could come into existence could be:

  1) A set of Firefox add-ons that make using common furry websites
(FA, SF etc) a touch easier, sort of like how the Reddit Enhancement
Suite works with Reddit.
 

 

Their was a plugin for FA a while back that added a button to allow you to do the same as "SAVE IMAGE AS..." but i don't know the current status of it. Also fair warning, people will bitch about that being the furry version of Blackbird (A version of Firefox preloaded with stuff for the African-American community).

That can be solved by checking the mime type of the file

 

 

  2) Some funky modified version of Shotwell or something, better
designed to managing large, large, collections of images. Might have
the ability to encrypt and compress a collection into a single
portable file for instance, or feature e621-esqe tagging search. I
dunno.

Interesting idea. Improved image tagging might be something that would be very helpful.

This would be really cool, a good thing, and not just ussefull for furry comunity, but for general public too

 

  3) A command line program like wget that acts like a home-based
image meta search engine, querying all the major & minor art storage
sites for images. I cannot tell you how much it sucks as furry to have
to search site by site by site to get a good selection of pics. I
mean, that can't be that hard to make, right? Right? Please?

This is a nice idea, but people will say "just uses google images and Boolean tagging, don't try to compete with search engines."

Why not, its allways kind of dissapointing to have to go and search several places, plus most of the people doesent knows how to use google.

Now that we have some ideas what about starting working on some of them, or choosing some to start with?

[linkthegamer]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:08:03 AM UTC-4, WolFi wrote:

  3) A command line program like wget that acts like a home-based
image meta search engine, querying all the major & minor art storage
sites for images. I cannot tell you how much it sucks as furry to have
to search site by site by site to get a good selection of pics. I
mean, that can't be that hard to make, right? Right? Please?

This is a nice idea, but people will say "just uses google images and Boolean tagging, don't try to compete with search engines."

Why not, its allways kind of dissapointing to have to go and search several places, plus most of the people doesent knows how to use google.

True. I should have asked how exactly how you think we should do that. Add in a quick way to use an existing meta search engine like dogpile to pull from all the all the major ones. Craft something like a Cricetida 2.0 that pulls from sites like FA, SF. Sites that don't require a login to verify age, thus providing mature results to minors, would not be up for inclusion in the PPA version. Such function, if ever included, would have to be in the form of a package on the site behind one of those "Enter your Birthday" things, but likely seeing how the current view is to make the OS clean that is unlikely to happen. Sites that only output clean art or that output clean art to unverified users are fine. Outputting mature results from sites that require a login to logged in users is okay as well. If you have a way to limit the results of non-login non-clean sites to provide only clean output and not link to the page on the non-clean site (as most non-clean sites have non-clean ads) that might work. Just saying because i know someone will ask about adding a dirty image site they really like if we did that.

Remember it is okay for stuff to have adult functions but they must not be accessible to kids.

[Ricardo Carrasco]

i know theaming is not what specifically makes an os furry. but not
all furries are that deep into being a furry. for instance i love the
imagery! my google email has a furry on the background. and i loved
the way ufurmix ended up looking. and yes i did prefer using ufurmix
not only doe to its theaming but the programs that already came
installed in it (the iso) like that sound converter that lets you
convert a stack of files to another (i used it to change all my music
to ogg, it open my computer so much space) or like the wine already
installed (im too impatient on how slow it installs :P ) but what made
it to the record was that beta program/script that was only on the dev
folder, the script that could fetch the entire gal of an artist on fa.

since not everyone is as savy with coding we could have some do themeing.
- i mean themeing has a big posibility and im not saying that themeing
is the only thing important here. i remember a concept we had for the
theming that it would allow the user to chose it's species and the the
theme would change accordingly (we thought of it asking on the login
screen like ubuntu asks what desktop manager it uses) and maybe fur
the boot make it universal: like a bunch of different animals coming
into a group from out of the screen. dragons, lions, and bears, oh and
foxes too (see what i did there?)

for a start it should not hurt to just theme. but we can't just theme
for ever ether. but as Rooks Owl pointed it out (and let me say i love
the idea of the gallery manager (maybe have it sort it from like
author to species, mature likings and stuff)

[WolFi]

  3) A command line program like wget that acts like a home-based
image meta search engine, querying all the major & minor art storage
sites for images. I cannot tell you how much it sucks as furry to have
to search site by site by site to get a good selection of pics. I
mean, that can't be that hard to make, right? Right? Please?

This is a nice idea, but people will say "just uses google images and Boolean tagging, don't try to compete with search engines."

Why not, its allways kind of dissapointing to have to go and search several places, plus most of the people doesent knows how to use google.

True. I should have asked how exactly how you think we should do that. Add in a quick way to use an existing meta search engine like dogpile to pull from all the all the major ones. Craft something like a Cricetida 2.0 that pulls from sites like FA, SF. Sites that don't require a login to verify age, thus providing mature results to minors, would not be up for inclusion in the PPA version. Such function, if ever included, would have to be in the form of a package on the site behind one of those "Enter your Birthday" things, but likely seeing how the current view is to make the OS clean that is unlikely to happen. Sites that only output clean art or that output clean art to unverified users are fine. Outputting mature results from sites that require a login to logged in users is okay as well. If you have a way to limit the results of non-login non-clean sites to provide only clean output and not link to the page on the non-clean site (as most non-clean sites have non-clean ads) that might work. Just saying because i know someone will ask about adding a dirty image site they really like if we did that.

Remember it is okay for stuff to have adult functions but they must not be accessible to kids.

Well it could be better than by installing a pakage throught the options of the app, like google makes with its results.

As a search engine, it can not be 100% asured that all the content is child safe, as we are not the content owners, and we wont have the control over the contents.
We could try to make it safe for childrens, and with the option to take out the safety for the naughty ones; maybe with parental control to block it? just ideas

El martes, 25 de septiembre de 2012 19:13:59 UTC+2, Ricardo Carrasco escribió:

i know theaming is not what specifically makes an os furry. but not
all furries are that deep into being a furry. for instance i love the
imagery! my google email has a furry on the background. and i loved
the way ufurmix ended up looking. and yes i did prefer using ufurmix
not only doe to its theaming but the programs that already came
installed in it (the iso) like that sound converter that lets you
convert a stack of files to another (i used it to change all my music
to ogg, it open my computer so much space) or like the wine already
installed (im too impatient on how slow it installs :P ) but what made
it to the record was that beta program/script that was only on the dev
folder, the script that could fetch the entire gal of an artist on fa.

Its a good idea, with a graphical ui would be cool for common users
 

since not everyone is as savy with coding we could have some do themeing.
- i mean themeing has a big posibility and im not saying that themeing
is the only thing important here. i remember a concept we had for the
theming that it would allow the user to chose it's species and the the
theme would change accordingly (we thought of it asking on the login
screen like ubuntu asks what desktop manager it uses) and maybe fur
the boot make it universal: like a bunch of different animals coming
into a group from out of the screen. dragons, lions, and bears, oh and
foxes too (see what i did there?)

Well or get a pet for the os... or maybe even the whole openfur, and use that on the boot screen, maybe even making lately a graphical UI with several other species or the ability to change it with any image they have on the comp?
 

for a start it should not hurt to just theme. but we can't just theme
for ever ether. but as Rooks Owl pointed it out (and let me say i love
the idea of the gallery manager (maybe have it sort it from like
author to species, mature likings and stuff)

Yep, maybe, but a gallery its a really complicated application, so we should start with something we can manage so far, as the theming thing, and go from there forward and refine the idea of the gallery manager and other apps that come to mind
We could even do the search engine and the theming at the same time, becouse theming its more artists job and search engine its more programers job
 

[linkthegamer]

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:38:42 PM UTC-4, WolFi wrote:

  3) A command line program like wget that acts like a home-based
image meta search engine, querying all the major & minor art storage
sites for images. I cannot tell you how much it sucks as furry to have
to search site by site by site to get a good selection of pics. I
mean, that can't be that hard to make, right? Right? Please?

This is a nice idea, but people will say "just uses google images and Boolean tagging, don't try to compete with search engines."

Why not, its allways kind of dissapointing to have to go and search several places, plus most of the people doesent knows how to use google.

True. I should have asked how exactly how you think we should do that. Add in a quick way to use an existing meta search engine like dogpile to pull from all the all the major ones. Craft something like a Cricetida 2.0 that pulls from sites like FA, SF. Sites that don't require a login to verify age, thus providing mature results to minors, would not be up for inclusion in the PPA version. Such function, if ever included, would have to be in the form of a package on the site behind one of those "Enter your Birthday" things, but likely seeing how the current view is to make the OS clean that is unlikely to happen. Sites that only output clean art or that output clean art to unverified users are fine. Outputting mature results from sites that require a login to logged in users is okay as well. If you have a way to limit the results of non-login non-clean sites to provide only clean output and not link to the page on the non-clean site (as most non-clean sites have non-clean ads) that might work. Just saying because i know someone will ask about adding a dirty image site they really like if we did that.

Remember it is okay for stuff to have adult functions but they must not be accessible to kids.

Well it could be better than by installing a pakage throught the options of the app, like google makes with its results.

As a search engine, it can not be 100% asured that all the content is child safe, as we are not the content owners, and we wont have the control over the contents.
We could try to make it safe for childrens, and with the option to take out the safety for the naughty ones; maybe with parental control to block it? just ideas

The child safe thing is a requirement for a program like Criceitda. We would mention it is only as reliable as the tagging on the sites is pulls from but should be mostly clean. Since I don't care for censorship i would like to see an "after dark" version but since furries are stereotypically seen as pervs such a program may not be such a good idea. It would be open source though, someone could code such a version if they want.
 

El martes, 25 de septiembre de 2012 19:13:59 UTC+2, Ricardo Carrasco escribió:

i know theaming is not what specifically makes an os furry. but not
all furries are that deep into being a furry. for instance i love the
imagery! my google email has a furry on the background. and i loved
the way ufurmix ended up looking. and yes i did prefer using ufurmix
not only doe to its theaming but the programs that already came
installed in it (the iso) like that sound converter that lets you
convert a stack of files to another (i used it to change all my music
to ogg, it open my computer so much space) or like the wine already
installed (im too impatient on how slow it installs :P ) but what made
it to the record was that beta program/script that was only on the dev
folder, the script that could fetch the entire gal of an artist on fa.

Its a good idea, with a graphical ui would be cool for common users
 

By the way Ricardo, that is that Cricetida thing I keep mentioning. ^_^
I had a version of it where I fixed the fact hamtaro would not show up on the about page for it. XP
 

since not everyone is as savy with coding we could have some do themeing.
- i mean themeing has a big posibility and im not saying that themeing
is the only thing important here. i remember a concept we had for the
theming that it would allow the user to chose it's species and the the
theme would change accordingly (we thought of it asking on the login
screen like ubuntu asks what desktop manager it uses) and maybe fur
the boot make it universal: like a bunch of different animals coming
into a group from out of the screen. dragons, lions, and bears, oh and
foxes too (see what i did there?)

Well or get a pet for the os... or maybe even the whole openfur, and use that on the boot screen, maybe even making lately a graphical UI with several other species or the ability to change it with any image they have on the comp?

That would be neat. Also I once came upon OS-tans, a thing where OSes are given a (female, OS-kun is male i think) personification or basically mascot. I thought it was quite. They even have little comics with them with references to things about the OS. I made up the ideas for a "Katey" or something for CreatureS, but she never got used. Their are various complexities with the means if you go that deep, decorations on the staffs of the linux-tans have meanings and Windows-tans umm... well their breast size is connected to minimum memory requirement (No we are not doing that, besides chances are the requirement will not be that big anyway). The point is we can do a group of animals thing or have a mascot of sorts.
 

 

for a start it should not hurt to just theme. but we can't just theme
for ever ether. but as Rooks Owl pointed it out (and let me say i love
the idea of the gallery manager (maybe have it sort it from like
author to species, mature likings and stuff)

Yep, maybe, but a gallery its a really complicated application, so we should start with something we can manage so far, as the theming thing, and go from there forward and refine the idea of the gallery manager and other apps that come to mind
We could even do the search engine and the theming at the same time, becouse theming its more artists job and search engine its more programers job

I think the gallery manager is more to patch something like Shotwell to have better tagging then starting from scratch but is still complex to edit. Also something like the google tagging game but for your local files would be nice (shows you the file and ask you to add some tags, then gives points. Making the task of adding tags not so boring. Have to work on how to do something like that.) That would obviously be a separate application.