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Ahmad Gharbeia
Mar 17, 2014, 8:51:31 AM3/17/14
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فيه diff لما أخرجته الوزارة و ما اشتغلت عليه اللجنة؟
;)
رسالة open...@googlegroups.com في 17 مار, 2014 م 12:36:
> Today's Topic Summary
>
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/topics
>
> * [Important] MCIT strategy <#group_thread_0> [7 Updates]
>
> [Important] MCIT strategy
> <http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/t/f435511e3b8fd8ee>
>
> Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com> Mar 16 07:14PM
>
> Hello everybody
>
> The MCIT strategy was announced today. I would like everybody here
> to read
> it and give us feedback, as the community must have a say in this issue.
>
> English:
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967
>
> Arabic:
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Ar/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967
>
>
> Please note that the press release is worse than the strategy
> itself, but
> both are important.
>
> Regards,
> ----
> Ahmed Mekkawy
> CTO | Founder
> ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> linu...@spiru.la
>
> Spirula Systems
> www.SpirulaSystems.com
>
>
>
> Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com> Mar 16 11:17PM +0200
>
> Is that the 3rd consecutive strategy in 3 consecutive years? These
> guys are
> doing a marvelous job :/
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy <
>
>
>
> Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com> Mar 16 11:23PM +0200
>
> Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tarek Amr <tare...@gmail.com> Mar 17 01:24AM +0200
>
> I will go through the bits and pieces that grabbed my attention in the
> press release and add my comments underneath them
>
> "The Ministry of Communications and Information Technology (MCIT)
> showcased
> the FOSS strategy main features during Cairo ICT"
> I can see here that in addition to the general interest in the ministry
> now, there supposed to be members who are aware of the topic enough to
> draft a strategy and present it in the ICT.
> Can we get the names of those who presented the strategy in the ICT?
> I will
> try to dig in the Strategy document for more names? Those can be our key
> contacts for now.
>
> "The Center has already started to design and implement FOSS training
> programs in the field of cloud computing and mobile applications in
> cooperation with the Technology Innovation and Entrepreneurship Center
> (TIEC)".
> Do We have something to offer here? Can OpenEgypt offer trainings to
> them?
> What topics should we focus on? What is the gap we need to cover here?
> Remember the the likes of IBM and Cisco will probably jump in
> wearing their
> FOSS hats to offer something here.
>
> Now let me have a quick look at the Strategy Document.
>
> "2.2 Improve Efficiency and Transparency of the Public Sector"
> This can serve as a gate to Open Source Software as well as Open
> Government
> Data. For example, CKAN is a FOSS software that is used by government to
> release their public data. We need to present that to them.
>
> Section 5, "High-LevelAction Plan", is a good summary for what are their
> plans. Thus, let me list the following points/opportunities.
>
>
> - They need to train governmental entities and the public as well.
> Accordingly, they will be looking for training partners. Open Egypt can
> work here as a consultant, or to offer trainings. I am eager to know
> your
> feedback about this.
> - They will on one hand advocate FOSS to SME's, but on the other hand
> the government will also act as purchaser of FOSS. Can we prepare a
> list of
> companies working in developing and customizing FOSS in Egypt?
> - We also need to have a list of key persons in the ministry and their
> roles within this strategy.
> - They said they will revise current ICT policies and related law
> articles relevant to FOSS adoption. What can be our input here?
>
>
> Finally, I can see that Open Egypt can act here as either consultant or
> service provider, however I personally prefer the former role more.
> We need
> to discuss that, bit, I think being a consultant or catalyst will
> make it
> easier to decentralize the work and not compete with existing SME's
> offering FOSS development and customization services.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
> Tarek Amr
>
> http://tarekamr.appspot.com/
>
>
>
> Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com> Mar 17 01:13AM -0700
>
> Tarek,
>
> Before I reply to your points, I want to clarify that this strategy
> was made
> by the help of OpenEgypt. Few of the founders were members in the
> committee
> who made this strategy. And we'll be involved in the execution as well.
> Whenever you see the community is mentioned, you can think of OpenEgypt.
>
> IMHO, the press release is pretty poor. I encourage you to read the
> strategy
> itself, which is downloadable from the same page of the press
> release, or
> here's the link:
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Upcont/Documents/FOSS_Strategy_EN_2014.pdf
>
> Let me reply to your points inline:
>
> On Monday 17 March 2014 01:24:02 Tarek Amr wrote:
> > Can we get the names of those who presented the strategy in the
> ICT? I will
> > try to dig in the Strategy document for more names? Those can be
> our key
> > contacts for now.
>
> The CairoICT event was announced on this mailing list before it
> happened.
> Anyway the presenter was Dr.Noha Adly (first deputy to the
> minister). The
> presentation she made was about the highlights of the strategy. The
> slides
> were available yesterday on the ministry website, but it's removed
> for some
> reason. Anyway it's attached to this email.
>
> > What topics should we focus on? What is the gap we need to cover here?
> > Remember the the likes of IBM and Cisco will probably jump in
> wearing their
> > FOSS hats to offer something here.
>
> OpenEgypt will be represented in SECC council which will supervise and
> coordinate the execution of this strategy. This doesn't mean that we
> can
> actually control everything, but at least we'll see and interact
> with what's
> happening. Of course everyone will wear the FOSS hats, Microsoft
> already did.
> let's see what we can do.
>
> > Accordingly, they will be looking for training partners. Open
> Egypt can
> > work here as a consultant, or to offer trainings. I am eager to
> know your
> > feedback about this.
>
> I guess OpenEgypt can do the consultancy part, but offering training on
> proffessional basis is something I didn't consider. If someone want
> to work on
> this point, he's most welcomed.
>
> > - They will on one hand advocate FOSS to SME's, but on the other hand
> > the government will also act as purchaser of FOSS. Can we prepare
> a list
> > of companies working in developing and customizing FOSS in Egypt?
>
> We worked on this for more than one time, we got some list on our
> wiki, but I
> can't say that it's the most complete one.
>
> > - We also need to have a list of key persons in the ministry and their
> > roles within this strategy.
>
> I will be attending the first meeting for the execution isA, and will
> communicate as much as I can isA.
>
> > - They said they will revise current ICT policies and related law
> > articles relevant to FOSS adoption. What can be our input here?
>
> Our input here is really big. They won't be willing to change laws
> unless we
> fight for it. On the other hand we will need professional legal help
> to point
> out which laws need to be changed, and propose the required changes.
> We will
> have access to legal departments in the ministry, but I highly
> prefer we got
> our own.
> > to discuss that, bit, I think being a consultant or catalyst will
> make it
> > easier to decentralize the work and not compete with existing SME's
> > offering FOSS development and customization services.
>
> Agreed, we need to stimulate the private sector more than competing
> with it.
>
>
> > On 16 March 2014 23:23, Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well.
>
> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Ahmed Koraiem
> <amko...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> --
> Ahmed Mekkawy
> CTO | Founder
> ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> linu...@spiru.la
>
> Spirula Systems
> www.SpirulaSystems.com
>
>
>
> Ahmed ElHefnawy <dr.elh...@gmail.com> Mar 17 11:17AM +0200
>
> شكرا لاحمد مكاوي على البريد والرابط والمرفق الذي اسعدني الحظ برؤيته
> لاول مرة برغم اني كنت من مؤسسي المجموعة واعتقد بصراحة ان الموضوع لا
> يمكن الوصول فيه برد من خلال البريد الاليكتروني وادعو لاجتماع لمناقشة
> الامر واصدار رد مكتوب.
> وارفض دعوة م. احمد حسين السابقة التي لم تشمل مستندات بها كما فعل
> مهندس احمد مكاوي وبالتالي كان سيكون الاجتماع غير مجدي .
>
>
>
>
>
> Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com> Mar 17 12:21PM +0200
>
> د. أحمد،
>
> للأسف أن النشر من طرف الوزارة كان مفاجئا لنا جميعا حتى أعضاء اللجنة
> لم يعلموا
> بموعد النشر. الجميع بما فيهم الأعضاء المؤسسين أسعدهم الحظ لأول مرة
> برؤيته أيضا
> باستثناء أعضاء اللجنة الوزاربة ، فلا تقلق لست وحدك فى هذه النقطة :)
>
> بالنسبة لرفض الدعوات السابقة فهذا شىء مناقشته الأن غير مجدية، وان
> كنت أسجل
> للمستقبل رأيى أن أى تصريح صحفى من الوزارة أو غيرها فى مجال اهتمامنا
> يجب أن
> نحدد كيفية الرد عليه او حتى عدم الرد. انما رفض مناقشة أخذ أى رد فعل
> أصلا بحجة
> عدم وضوح المعلومات تؤدى بأى مجتمع للموت البطىئ.
>
> شكرا
>
> On Monday 17 March 2014 11:17:17 Ahmed ElHefnawy wrote:
>
> --
> Ahmed Mekkawy
> CEO | Founder
> ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> linu...@spiru.la
>
> Spirula Systems
> www.SpirulaSystems.com
>
>
>
> --
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رسالة open...@googlegroups.com في 17 مار, 2014 م 12:36:
> Today's Topic Summary
>
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/topics
>
> * [Important] MCIT strategy <#group_thread_0> [7 Updates]
>
> [Important] MCIT strategy
> <http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/t/f435511e3b8fd8ee>
>
> Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com> Mar 16 07:14PM
>
> Hello everybody
>
> The MCIT strategy was announced today. I would like everybody here
> to read
> it and give us feedback, as the community must have a say in this issue.
>
> English:
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967
>
> Arabic:
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Ar/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967
>
>
> Please note that the press release is worse than the strategy
> itself, but
> both are important.
>
> Regards,
> ----
> Ahmed Mekkawy
> CTO | Founder
> ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> linu...@spiru.la
>
> Spirula Systems
> www.SpirulaSystems.com
>
>
>
> Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com> Mar 16 11:17PM +0200
>
> Is that the 3rd consecutive strategy in 3 consecutive years? These
> guys are
> doing a marvelous job :/
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy <
>
>
>
> Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com> Mar 16 11:23PM +0200
>
> Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tarek Amr <tare...@gmail.com> Mar 17 01:24AM +0200
>
> I will go through the bits and pieces that grabbed my attention in the
> press release and add my comments underneath them
>
> "The Ministry of Communications and Information Technology (MCIT)
> showcased
> the FOSS strategy main features during Cairo ICT"
> I can see here that in addition to the general interest in the ministry
> now, there supposed to be members who are aware of the topic enough to
> draft a strategy and present it in the ICT.
> Can we get the names of those who presented the strategy in the ICT?
> I will
> try to dig in the Strategy document for more names? Those can be our key
> contacts for now.
>
> "The Center has already started to design and implement FOSS training
> programs in the field of cloud computing and mobile applications in
> cooperation with the Technology Innovation and Entrepreneurship Center
> (TIEC)".
> Do We have something to offer here? Can OpenEgypt offer trainings to
> them?
> What topics should we focus on? What is the gap we need to cover here?
> Remember the the likes of IBM and Cisco will probably jump in
> wearing their
> FOSS hats to offer something here.
>
> Now let me have a quick look at the Strategy Document.
>
> "2.2 Improve Efficiency and Transparency of the Public Sector"
> This can serve as a gate to Open Source Software as well as Open
> Government
> Data. For example, CKAN is a FOSS software that is used by government to
> release their public data. We need to present that to them.
>
> Section 5, "High-LevelAction Plan", is a good summary for what are their
> plans. Thus, let me list the following points/opportunities.
>
>
> - They need to train governmental entities and the public as well.
> Accordingly, they will be looking for training partners. Open Egypt can
> work here as a consultant, or to offer trainings. I am eager to know
> your
> feedback about this.
> - They will on one hand advocate FOSS to SME's, but on the other hand
> the government will also act as purchaser of FOSS. Can we prepare a
> list of
> companies working in developing and customizing FOSS in Egypt?
> - We also need to have a list of key persons in the ministry and their
> roles within this strategy.
> - They said they will revise current ICT policies and related law
> articles relevant to FOSS adoption. What can be our input here?
>
>
> Finally, I can see that Open Egypt can act here as either consultant or
> service provider, however I personally prefer the former role more.
> We need
> to discuss that, bit, I think being a consultant or catalyst will
> make it
> easier to decentralize the work and not compete with existing SME's
> offering FOSS development and customization services.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
> Tarek Amr
>
> http://tarekamr.appspot.com/
>
>
>
> Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com> Mar 17 01:13AM -0700
>
> Tarek,
>
> Before I reply to your points, I want to clarify that this strategy
> was made
> by the help of OpenEgypt. Few of the founders were members in the
> committee
> who made this strategy. And we'll be involved in the execution as well.
> Whenever you see the community is mentioned, you can think of OpenEgypt.
>
> IMHO, the press release is pretty poor. I encourage you to read the
> strategy
> itself, which is downloadable from the same page of the press
> release, or
> here's the link:
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Upcont/Documents/FOSS_Strategy_EN_2014.pdf
>
> Let me reply to your points inline:
>
> On Monday 17 March 2014 01:24:02 Tarek Amr wrote:
> > Can we get the names of those who presented the strategy in the
> ICT? I will
> > try to dig in the Strategy document for more names? Those can be
> our key
> > contacts for now.
>
> The CairoICT event was announced on this mailing list before it
> happened.
> Anyway the presenter was Dr.Noha Adly (first deputy to the
> minister). The
> presentation she made was about the highlights of the strategy. The
> slides
> were available yesterday on the ministry website, but it's removed
> for some
> reason. Anyway it's attached to this email.
>
> > What topics should we focus on? What is the gap we need to cover here?
> > Remember the the likes of IBM and Cisco will probably jump in
> wearing their
> > FOSS hats to offer something here.
>
> OpenEgypt will be represented in SECC council which will supervise and
> coordinate the execution of this strategy. This doesn't mean that we
> can
> actually control everything, but at least we'll see and interact
> with what's
> happening. Of course everyone will wear the FOSS hats, Microsoft
> already did.
> let's see what we can do.
>
> > Accordingly, they will be looking for training partners. Open
> Egypt can
> > work here as a consultant, or to offer trainings. I am eager to
> know your
> > feedback about this.
>
> I guess OpenEgypt can do the consultancy part, but offering training on
> proffessional basis is something I didn't consider. If someone want
> to work on
> this point, he's most welcomed.
>
> > - They will on one hand advocate FOSS to SME's, but on the other hand
> > the government will also act as purchaser of FOSS. Can we prepare
> a list
> > of companies working in developing and customizing FOSS in Egypt?
>
> We worked on this for more than one time, we got some list on our
> wiki, but I
> can't say that it's the most complete one.
>
> > - We also need to have a list of key persons in the ministry and their
> > roles within this strategy.
>
> I will be attending the first meeting for the execution isA, and will
> communicate as much as I can isA.
>
> > - They said they will revise current ICT policies and related law
> > articles relevant to FOSS adoption. What can be our input here?
>
> Our input here is really big. They won't be willing to change laws
> unless we
> fight for it. On the other hand we will need professional legal help
> to point
> out which laws need to be changed, and propose the required changes.
> We will
> have access to legal departments in the ministry, but I highly
> prefer we got
> our own.
> > to discuss that, bit, I think being a consultant or catalyst will
> make it
> > easier to decentralize the work and not compete with existing SME's
> > offering FOSS development and customization services.
>
> Agreed, we need to stimulate the private sector more than competing
> with it.
>
>
> > On 16 March 2014 23:23, Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well.
>
> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Ahmed Koraiem
> <amko...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> --
> Ahmed Mekkawy
> CTO | Founder
> ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> linu...@spiru.la
>
> Spirula Systems
> www.SpirulaSystems.com
>
>
>
> Ahmed ElHefnawy <dr.elh...@gmail.com> Mar 17 11:17AM +0200
>
> شكرا لاحمد مكاوي على البريد والرابط والمرفق الذي اسعدني الحظ برؤيته
> لاول مرة برغم اني كنت من مؤسسي المجموعة واعتقد بصراحة ان الموضوع لا
> يمكن الوصول فيه برد من خلال البريد الاليكتروني وادعو لاجتماع لمناقشة
> الامر واصدار رد مكتوب.
> وارفض دعوة م. احمد حسين السابقة التي لم تشمل مستندات بها كما فعل
> مهندس احمد مكاوي وبالتالي كان سيكون الاجتماع غير مجدي .
>
>
>
>
>
> Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com> Mar 17 12:21PM +0200
>
> د. أحمد،
>
> للأسف أن النشر من طرف الوزارة كان مفاجئا لنا جميعا حتى أعضاء اللجنة
> لم يعلموا
> بموعد النشر. الجميع بما فيهم الأعضاء المؤسسين أسعدهم الحظ لأول مرة
> برؤيته أيضا
> باستثناء أعضاء اللجنة الوزاربة ، فلا تقلق لست وحدك فى هذه النقطة :)
>
> بالنسبة لرفض الدعوات السابقة فهذا شىء مناقشته الأن غير مجدية، وان
> كنت أسجل
> للمستقبل رأيى أن أى تصريح صحفى من الوزارة أو غيرها فى مجال اهتمامنا
> يجب أن
> نحدد كيفية الرد عليه او حتى عدم الرد. انما رفض مناقشة أخذ أى رد فعل
> أصلا بحجة
> عدم وضوح المعلومات تؤدى بأى مجتمع للموت البطىئ.
>
> شكرا
>
> On Monday 17 March 2014 11:17:17 Ahmed ElHefnawy wrote:
>
> --
> Ahmed Mekkawy
> CEO | Founder
> ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> linu...@spiru.la
>
> Spirula Systems
> www.SpirulaSystems.com
>
>
>
> --
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Ahmed Mekkawy
Mar 17, 2014, 11:14:46 AM3/17/14
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انا لسه حاشتغل على ده بالليل علشان هيا دخلت editorial بعدها ففيه تقسيمات
اتغيرت و spellings وبتاع، ماقدرش اطلع الفروقات بطريقة الية
اتغيرت و spellings وبتاع، ماقدرش اطلع الفروقات بطريقة الية
ال press release زبالة وطلع من ورايا، حارجعلك فى فروقات محتملة للاستراتيجية
Ahmed Mekkawy
Mar 18, 2014, 5:33:41 AM3/18/14
to OpenEgypt, Ahmad Gharbeia
بص يا سيدى، فيه باراجراف واحد اتزود مرتين. حتلاقيه فى صفحة ٧ فى ١.٢.٥ تانى باراجراف
adopting open source technologies ........
..... GDP growth and overall development.
هو مش لطيف لكن مش سىء قوى فى رأيى. هو محطوط بنفس النص فى ال executive summery رابع باراجراف.
انا مش شايفه كارثى، لكن طريقة تدخيله من ورانا مش مريحانى. ادينى رأيك فيه.
---
Please execuse my brevity/typos. Sent from my mobile device.
---
Ahmed Mekkawy
CEO | Founder
www.SpirulaSystems.com
Ahmed El-Ezabi
Mar 18, 2014, 5:44:37 AM3/18/14
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في الغالب النص ده لطمأنة الكيانات المشابهة لمايكروسوفت
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Ahmad Gharbeia
Mar 20, 2014, 8:03:54 AM3/20/14
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أيوة..تابعت قصة الفقرة دي مع أحمد حسين من ساعة ما بدأت.
رأيي أنها هي فقرة تطمينية للاحتكاريين. مالهاش أثر قوي بما أنها بتتكلم
بصيغة إقرار ما سيكون، (على نحو قدري فوقي كدا ما يعديش في أي تصحيح ورقة
جامعية لطالب) مش على تصرفات معينة للوزارة لإحقاق توازنات معينة. و لو أن
الهاجس دا يفضل عندهم و هيحاولوا يستغلوا الصياغات ال زي دي علشان يدفعوا
الحكومة إلى تصرفات في صالحهم.
المهم بقى أن فيه خطأ فاحش في الجملة الأولى من الفقرة الأولى في القسم 5-2-1:
"يمثل إدماج البرمجيات الحرة مفتوحة المصدر في المنافسة السوقية نقلة
نوعية، نظرا لأنها تتضمن قوانينا مختلفة لحقوق الملكية الفكرية بما يساهم
في تقديم خيارات أخرى لنماذج من التراخيص مفتوحة المصدر مما يؤدي إلى [...]"
أولا: مافيش قوانين مختلفة للملكية الفكرية. هي نفس القوانين و بنستخدمها
لحماية المعرفة الحرة.
ثانيا: نقطة تفصيلية حول استخدام كل من "الملكية الفكرية" و "حقوق الطبع"،
لكن مش مهمة للنقاش دا.
دا غير التكرار عديم المعنى من أوّل "خيارات أخرى". النصّ في الإنكليزي كمان
مالهش معنى.
هو كمبوطر الوزارة مافيهش مصحح إملا؟ يعني هاطنّش كفتة الهمزات و الياءات،
إنما "بالت"!
أحمد
رسالة Ahmed Mekkawy في 18 مار, 2014 ص 11:33:
> > > linu...@spiru.la <mailto:linu...@spiru.la>
> > >
> > > Spirula Systems
> > > www.SpirulaSystems.com <http://www.SpirulaSystems.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com
> <mailto:amko...@gmail.com>> Mar 16 11:17PM +0200
> <mailto:ahmed....@spirulasystems.com>> Mar 17 01:13AM -0700
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahmed ElHefnawy <dr.elh...@gmail.com
> <mailto:dr.elh...@gmail.com>> Mar 17 11:17AM +0200
> <mailto:ahmed....@spirulasystems.com>
> linu...@spiru.la <mailto:linu...@spiru.la>
>
> Spirula Systems
> www.SpirulaSystems.com <http://www.SpirulaSystems.com>
>
رأيي أنها هي فقرة تطمينية للاحتكاريين. مالهاش أثر قوي بما أنها بتتكلم
بصيغة إقرار ما سيكون، (على نحو قدري فوقي كدا ما يعديش في أي تصحيح ورقة
جامعية لطالب) مش على تصرفات معينة للوزارة لإحقاق توازنات معينة. و لو أن
الهاجس دا يفضل عندهم و هيحاولوا يستغلوا الصياغات ال زي دي علشان يدفعوا
الحكومة إلى تصرفات في صالحهم.
المهم بقى أن فيه خطأ فاحش في الجملة الأولى من الفقرة الأولى في القسم 5-2-1:
"يمثل إدماج البرمجيات الحرة مفتوحة المصدر في المنافسة السوقية نقلة
نوعية، نظرا لأنها تتضمن قوانينا مختلفة لحقوق الملكية الفكرية بما يساهم
في تقديم خيارات أخرى لنماذج من التراخيص مفتوحة المصدر مما يؤدي إلى [...]"
أولا: مافيش قوانين مختلفة للملكية الفكرية. هي نفس القوانين و بنستخدمها
لحماية المعرفة الحرة.
ثانيا: نقطة تفصيلية حول استخدام كل من "الملكية الفكرية" و "حقوق الطبع"،
لكن مش مهمة للنقاش دا.
دا غير التكرار عديم المعنى من أوّل "خيارات أخرى". النصّ في الإنكليزي كمان
مالهش معنى.
هو كمبوطر الوزارة مافيهش مصحح إملا؟ يعني هاطنّش كفتة الهمزات و الياءات،
إنما "بالت"!
أحمد
رسالة Ahmed Mekkawy في 18 مار, 2014 ص 11:33:
> بص يا سيدى، فيه باراجراف واحد اتزود مرتين. حتلاقيه فى صفحة ٧ فى ١.٢.٥
> تانى باراجراف
> adopting open source technologies ........
>
> ..... GDP growth and overall development.
>
> هو مش لطيف لكن مش سىء قوى فى رأيى. هو محطوط بنفس النص فى ال executive
> summery رابع باراجراف.
>
> انا مش شايفه كارثى، لكن طريقة تدخيله من ورانا مش مريحانى. ادينى رأيك فيه.
>
> ---
> Please execuse my brevity/typos. Sent from my mobile device.
> ---
> Ahmed Mekkawy
> CEO | Founder
> www.SpirulaSystems.com <http://www.SpirulaSystems.com>
> تانى باراجراف
> adopting open source technologies ........
>
> ..... GDP growth and overall development.
>
> هو مش لطيف لكن مش سىء قوى فى رأيى. هو محطوط بنفس النص فى ال executive
> summery رابع باراجراف.
>
> انا مش شايفه كارثى، لكن طريقة تدخيله من ورانا مش مريحانى. ادينى رأيك فيه.
>
> ---
> Please execuse my brevity/typos. Sent from my mobile device.
> ---
> Ahmed Mekkawy
> CEO | Founder
> <mailto:ahmed....@spirulasystems.com>> wrote:
>
> انا لسه حاشتغل على ده بالليل علشان هيا دخلت editorial بعدها ففيه تقسيمات
> اتغيرت و spellings وبتاع، ماقدرش اطلع الفروقات بطريقة الية
>
> ال press release زبالة وطلع من ورايا، حارجعلك فى فروقات محتملة
> للاستراتيجية
>
>
> On Monday 17 March 2014 14:51:31 Ahmad Gharbeia wrote:
> > فيه diff لما أخرجته الوزارة و ما اشتغلت عليه اللجنة؟
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > رسالة open...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:open...@googlegroups.com> في 17 مار, 2014 م 12:36:
>
> انا لسه حاشتغل على ده بالليل علشان هيا دخلت editorial بعدها ففيه تقسيمات
> اتغيرت و spellings وبتاع، ماقدرش اطلع الفروقات بطريقة الية
>
> ال press release زبالة وطلع من ورايا، حارجعلك فى فروقات محتملة
> للاستراتيجية
>
>
> On Monday 17 March 2014 14:51:31 Ahmad Gharbeia wrote:
> > فيه diff لما أخرجته الوزارة و ما اشتغلت عليه اللجنة؟
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > رسالة open...@googlegroups.com
> > > Today's Topic Summary
> > >
> > > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/topics
> > >
> > > * [Important] MCIT strategy <#group_thread_0> [7 Updates]
> > >
> > > [Important] MCIT strategy
> > >
> > > <http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/t/f435511e3b8fd8ee>
> > >
> > > Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> <mailto:ahmed....@spirulasystems.com>> Mar 16 07:14PM
> > >
> > > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/topics
> > >
> > > * [Important] MCIT strategy <#group_thread_0> [7 Updates]
> > >
> > > [Important] MCIT strategy
> > >
> > > <http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/t/f435511e3b8fd8ee>
> > >
> > > Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> > >
> > > Hello everybody
> > >
> > > The MCIT strategy was announced today. I would like
> everybody here
> > > to read
> > > it and give us feedback, as the community must have a say in
> this
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > English:
> > >
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967
> > >
> > > Arabic:
> > >
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Ar/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967
> > >
> > >
> > > Please note that the press release is worse than the strategy
> > > itself, but
> > > both are important.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > ----
> > > Ahmed Mekkawy
> > > CTO | Founder
> > > ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> <mailto:ahmed....@spirulasystems.com>
> > > Hello everybody
> > >
> > > The MCIT strategy was announced today. I would like
> everybody here
> > > to read
> > > it and give us feedback, as the community must have a say in
> this
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > English:
> > >
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967
> > >
> > > Arabic:
> > >
> http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Ar/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967
> > >
> > >
> > > Please note that the press release is worse than the strategy
> > > itself, but
> > > both are important.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > ----
> > > Ahmed Mekkawy
> > > CTO | Founder
> > > ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> > > linu...@spiru.la <mailto:linu...@spiru.la>
> > >
> > > Spirula Systems
> > > www.SpirulaSystems.com <http://www.SpirulaSystems.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com
> <mailto:amko...@gmail.com>> Mar 16 11:17PM +0200
> > >
> > > Is that the 3rd consecutive strategy in 3 consecutive years?
> These
> > > guys are
> > > doing a marvelous job :/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy <
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com
> <mailto:amko...@gmail.com>> Mar 16 11:23PM +0200
> > > Is that the 3rd consecutive strategy in 3 consecutive years?
> These
> > > guys are
> > > doing a marvelous job :/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy <
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahmed Koraiem <amko...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tarek Amr <tare...@gmail.com <mailto:tare...@gmail.com>>
> > > Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> <mailto:amko...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Ahmed Koraiem
> > >
> > > <amko...@gmail.com <mailto:amko...@gmail.com>>wrote:
> > > > > Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Ahmed Koraiem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahmed ElHefnawy <dr.elh...@gmail.com
> <mailto:dr.elh...@gmail.com>> Mar 17 11:17AM +0200
> > >
> > > شكرا لاحمد مكاوي على البريد والرابط والمرفق الذي اسعدني الحظ
> برؤيته
> > > لاول مرة برغم اني كنت من مؤسسي المجموعة واعتقد بصراحة ان
> الموضوع لا
> > > يمكن الوصول فيه برد من خلال البريد الاليكتروني وادعو لاجتماع
> لمناقشة
> > > الامر واصدار رد مكتوب.
> > > وارفض دعوة م. احمد حسين السابقة التي لم تشمل مستندات بها كما فعل
> > > مهندس احمد مكاوي وبالتالي كان سيكون الاجتماع غير مجدي .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> <mailto:ahmed....@spirulasystems.com>> Mar 17 12:21PM +0200
> > > شكرا لاحمد مكاوي على البريد والرابط والمرفق الذي اسعدني الحظ
> برؤيته
> > > لاول مرة برغم اني كنت من مؤسسي المجموعة واعتقد بصراحة ان
> الموضوع لا
> > > يمكن الوصول فيه برد من خلال البريد الاليكتروني وادعو لاجتماع
> لمناقشة
> > > الامر واصدار رد مكتوب.
> > > وارفض دعوة م. احمد حسين السابقة التي لم تشمل مستندات بها كما فعل
> > > مهندس احمد مكاوي وبالتالي كان سيكون الاجتماع غير مجدي .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahmed Mekkawy <ahmed....@spirulasystems.com
> linu...@spiru.la <mailto:linu...@spiru.la>
>
> Spirula Systems
> www.SpirulaSystems.com <http://www.SpirulaSystems.com>
>
Ahmed Mekkawy
Mar 23, 2014, 12:16:44 AM3/23/14
to Ahmad Gharbeia, OpenEgypt
اتفف معاك فى رأيك بالنسبة للفقرة المضافة.
بالنسبة لموضوع القوانين، المقصود بها هو تقديم نموذج جديد للتراخيص. من الواضح انها ترجمة ضعيفة، النص الانجليزى الاصلى هو:
FOSS offers a paradigm shift as itsets different intellectual property rules that provide an alternate open source licenses model.
الاستراتيجية اتكتبت باللغة الانجليزية وتمت ترجمتها بعد انتهائها. الترجمة العربية ليست جيدة بما يكفى على أى حال.
مصحح الاملا كان مايكروزفت بعيد عنك، بيزود غلطات تقريبا، يمكن كان حاسس الاستراتيجية ديه بتاعة ايه :-P
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www.SpirulaSystems.com
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