The Real immigration controversy.

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The Real immigration controversy.

Sean Lewis
May 13, 2010

There is a solution to the illegal immigration issue.
It is called enforcing the existing laws, not creating
new ones.

We already have those laws on the books, all Arizona has to do is
enforce them, but that would be targeting the 'wrong' people. The
reality is this is not about actually ending illegal immigration, this
is about LOOKING like they are addressing the problem and giving red
meat to the Fringe Base.

Target the reason immigrants come to the Country,

JOBS.

Penalize those who hire illegal immigrants.
Fine them the first time.
Fine and jail them the second time.
Fine, jail and take away their business the third time.

CITIZENSHIP

Allow those illegal immigrants who are eligible a path
to citizenship.

Only those illegals who have been here 5 years and can prove this.
They can not have a criminal past or had run ins with the law in the
US.
They must pay back taxes or are currently paying taxes.
They must pay a fine for every year they were in the US illegally.
For every year they were in the US is a year they must wait before
becoming a US Citizen.
They must be proficient in the English language at a 6th grade level,
in reading, writing and communication.

CONFORMATION OF STATUS

There needs to be a way to confirm non US citizens as
legal workers. We already have the Green Card system
and this can be expanded to include this new status of
LPR's Lawful Permanent Residence.

BORDER CONTROL

Once the illegals in the US are documented with Green
Cards, it will become difficult for NEW immigrants to
obtain employment, thus ending new illegal immigrants from
attempting to cross the borders. With no new illegals
attempting to enter the Country en mass the issue of law
enforcement along the borders will become easier. It
will be easier to monitor any and all border crossings using
high tech and low tech methods.

SUMMARY

For the immigration issue to be resolved ALL parts of this
process must be enacted as one, for each piece alone
will not be enough to actually do anything accept appease
the anti immigration factions in the US, without actually
solving the immigration issue.

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[VT Sean Lewis]

I left out one part

VALIDATION

Once a year the LTR, Lawful Temporary Resident
must have their ID and status verified. This
is done by reissuing a photo ID and finger
printing to confirm identification. Once the
status and identification of the LTR is established
a verification code is sent to the employer
via email, mail, or fax. The employer can enter the
code and visually see the photo of the LTR to also
confirm the identification of the employed.

[Gthei...@aol.com]

the question is why do american companies hire illegals?

 do they pay federal income taxes ? NO!

 do they pay pay into workers comp and liability plans? NO!

 do they contribute to unemployment insurance funds?nNO!

if they did than they would be on a even playing field with home grown workers and the incentive to use these people by american employers would be negated.if you think they work for lower wages you are full of it. YES GO AFTER CONPANIES WHO EMPLOY ILLEGALS!!!

 

In a message dated 5/13/2010 2:28:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, thevirt...@gmail.com writes:

The Real immigration controversy.

Sean Lewis
May 13, 2010

There is a solution to the illegal immigration issue.
It is called enforcing the existing laws, not creating
new ones.

We already have those laws on the books, all Arizona has to do is
enforce them, but that would be targeting the 'wrong' people. The
reality is this is not about actually ending illegal immigration, this
is about LOOKING like they are addressing the problem and giving red
meat to the Fringe Base.

Target the reason immigrants come to the Country,

JOBS.

Penalize those who hire illegal immigrants.
Fine them the first time.
Fine and jail them the second time.
Fine, jail and take away their business the third time.

[Larry Talbot]

 I agree with your solutions on the illegal employer side but you are incorrect on the the three questions that you posed at the beginning of your post.
 
Those that aren't getting paid under the table are paying into Social Security,they are paying Federal and State Income taxes and yes they do pay into the unemployment insurance funds.The reason that I know this is because if a person gets a hold of a fake Social Security Card Number ,that's all that they need as well as some State ID.ie driver's license or ID Card.These Undocumented people will never be able to cllect the Social Secuirty funds that they paid in as when it comes time to collect there comes a point when you will be known.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:27:32 -0400
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[Charlie Pratt]

I see nothing here about penalizing the original criminals; the illegal aliens. VT's third solution is for the government to take over private businesses. This should never be done. A system of escalating fines and deportation of the wetbacks perhaps, but jail and business confiscation should be out of the question. 

Any illlegals who pay into SS, income taxes, etc., on a stolen or fake SS number I can only say tuff shit for them.  

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[Larry Talbot]

If we really want to stop them from coming here illegally then you have to lower the boom on both.
 

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Subject: Re: The Real immigration controversy.

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:01:40 -0500

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[Charlie Pratt]

Exactly. VT's only interest seems to be in penalizing business owners. 

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