step 0 is getting a sponsor and various reasons

[Richard Green]

At the risk of seeming naive ...

[1] What is the minimum (necessary/sufficient) a sponsor might do? 

[2] Various reasons for reviving/updating OpenCobalt - perhaps a short list.

IMO: Cobalt was, and conceptually still is, ahead of its time.

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Is Nobody Using Open Cobalt???

Eric Gillespie <brick...@gmail.com>: Sep 01 10:42PM +1200 Hi. I used to chair the Open Cobalt meetings on Skype. At least at the moment, I haven't seen any significant movement on OpenCobalt since I dropped out in early 2011 due to a little earthquake we had, and the weekly Skype meetings haven't happened since then. After that point, it was obvious to me that the principal developers had moved onto other projects that would help keep a roof over their heads. I'm aware there are still original files available now from opencobalt.net (not org), but again, these haven't seen significant movement since then. I'm currently working with another Smalltalk altogether, though not on 3D spaces. I do rather feel a bit like a lone soul waving a small LED torch in the bottom of the Vertical Assembly Building at night.   Sorry to seem the bearer of such bleak news. Also, I haven't seen much activity in the virtual reality sphere aside from game development on various new (since then) head-mounted display devices. I don't think this was limited to Squeak, or even Smalltalk at large.   Regarding the contact information, I'll modify certain pages to let people know there's no longer any meetings. I'm not sure what else I can do aside from that as I lack the skills that both Matthew and John had, so I'm not a good candidate to maintain the project; I suspect as the good Bones would say, "She's dead, Jim".   If any others are willing to correct me on this issue, let me know.   Regards, BrickViking (a.k.a. DrSmokey)     On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 at 13:17, Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido...@gmail.com> wrote:

Aik-Siong Koh <as...@askoh.com>: Sep 01 01:44PM -0600 Hi:   I am sure the project can be revived if there is a good use case to implement.   Are there any ideas out there?   Thanks,   Aik-Siong Koh   Eric Gillespie wrote:   Hi. I used to chair the Open Cobalt meetings on Skype. At least at the moment, I haven't seen any significant movement on OpenCobalt since I dropped out in early 2011 due to a little earthquake we had, and the weekly Skype meetings haven't happened since then. After that point, it was obvious to me that the principal developers had moved onto other projects that would help keep a roof over their heads. I'm aware there are still original files available now from opencobalt.net (not org), but again, these haven't seen significant movement since then. I'm currently working with another Smalltalk altogether, though not on 3D spaces. I do rather feel a bit like a lone soul waving a small LED torch in the bottom of the Vertical Assembly Building at night.   Sorry to seem the bearer of such bleak news. Also, I haven't seen much activity in the virtual reality sphere aside from game development on various new (since then) head-mounted display devices. I don't think this was limited to Squeak, or even Smalltalk at large.   Regarding the contact information, I'll modify certain pages to let people know there's no longer any meetings. I'm not sure what else I can do aside from that as I lack the skills that both Matthew and John had, so I'm not a good candidate to maintain the project; I suspect as the good Bones would say, "She's dead, Jim".   If any others are willing to correct me on this issue, let me know.   Regards, BrickViking (aka DrSmokey)   On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 at 13:17, Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido...@gmail.com> wrote:   This project seems dead. The main website has all kinds of broken links. The code repository is no longer accessible.   Has virtual reality lost its shine, or this is just a Smalltalk/Squeak issue?   --   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Open Cobalt" Google group.   To post to this group, send email to openc...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to   opencobalt+...@googlegroups.com   For more options, visit this group at   http://groups.google.com/group/opencobalt?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Open Cobalt" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opencobalt+...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencobalt/3d8a39e7-3ec5-4cf8-90e6-ac233cfa37e7%40googlegroups.com.   --   --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Open Cobalt" Google group.   To post to this group, send email to openc...@googlegroups.com   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to   opencobalt+...@googlegroups.com   For more options, visit this group at   http://groups.google.com/group/opencobalt?hl=en   ---   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Open Cobalt" group.   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opencobalt+...@googlegroups.com.   To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencobalt/CAHWye86WAg3mMm5nLPqk%2B2b_LuDSKRx%3DxE2gCmO44xT_UgwaDA%40mail.gmail.com.

John Dougan <jdo...@acm.org>: Sep 01 02:39PM -0700 I was unable to work at all for a while, and when I could again I updated some parts (fixed OBJ importer and redid some of the rendering so it can smooth shade). But without any interest from outside I switched to other things. Duke is no longer involved, so no resources they hosted (mantis, monticello server, etc.) are available online. But before the shutdown they dumped a set of archives on me which should have most of it if not everything. If anyone wants to carry it forward I can get those to you.   There are a number of technical issues in the code base, exactly which I don't recall offhand. I'd have to get my notes. I do have ideas on where it could be taken, and have done a lot of thinking on the problems with VR/VW/Cyberspace/etc. in general (this is like the 4rd or 5th turn of the hype cycle wheel) and what the future will look like.   If anyone wants to talk about it, I'm up for it.   Cheers, -- John   On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 6:17 PM Richard Kenneth Eng <   -- John Dougan jdo...@acm.org

Aik-Siong Koh <as...@askoh.com>: Sep 01 05:24PM -0600 John:   Sure I would like to hear of possibilities for opencobalt.   Thanks Aik-Siong Koh

Tom <tom...@meltel.net>: Sep 01 06:46PM -0500 Hello:  I've long fantasized that I was a member of a citizen's group that presented a VR application to our local city hall.  Installed, it would enable residents to visit city hall, participate in activities ranging from complaints to the mayor or "attending" city council meetings.  "Popping in" to speak with the city clerk seems like a good way to keep local officials on their toes.  Such an application might even be economically sustainable for consultants adding value to a basic application.   Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN   On 9/1/19 6:24 PM, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:   -- 4 school shootings in U.S. in one month: 4 school shootings in Germany in 100 years: Laws Matter

Alan Grimes <alon...@verizon.net>: Sep 01 10:42PM -0400 Yeah, much sadness here. I have no idea why Cobalt did not become mainline Squeak and everything else become legacy...   I have a number of various reasons to want to get this running again, maybe even get an importer working for popular game asset sets.   Anyway, I would propose to rebase the project on whatever the current squeak version is and get everything updated, possibly moving to Vulkan and get everything working and modern so that ppl can jump in.   Lots of work... So step 0 is getting a sponsor of some kind.     -- Clowns feed off of funny money; Funny money comes from the FED so NO FED -> NO CLOWNS!!!   Powers are not rights.

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[Apollo Sande]

I too was a big fan of Open Cobalt. 

How about we find a way to use blockchain token issuance to fund it's continued development e.g. by building a massive VR university...

Kind regards,

Apollo Sande.

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[Ho-Sheng Hsiao]

On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 09:36 Richard Green <richardale...@gmail.com> wrote:

IMO: Cobalt was, and conceptually still is, ahead of its time.

I think so too. I would have thought the introduction of Oculus Rift would have revitalized the project. 

-Hosh