Newbie trouble with CTM
Russell Selph
I've started using CTM to keep my local copy of the CVS tree up to date. I
had no problems getting the snapshot at OpenBSD-cvs.1500A.gz, and updating
it thru OpenBSD-cvs.1514.gz
My problem is, the next update I received from the the mailing list was
OpenBSD-cvs.1517.gz, and I can't find 1515 or 1516 anywhere. Does the FTP
site take a while to get updated? (I'm using ftp://ctm.openbsd.org/)
Should I force 1517 and just go from there? Or am I missing something
obvious?
Thanks in advance for any help....
-russ
mho
>My problem is, the next update I received from the the mailing list was
>OpenBSD-cvs.1517.gz, and I can't find 1515 or 1516 anywhere. Does the FTP
>site take a while to get updated? (I'm using ftp://ctm.openbsd.org/)
ftp ftp://ctm.se.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD-ctm/OpenBSD-cvs/OpenBSD-cvs.1516.gz
The Canada server is a mirror, and might lag a day behind.
- mho
Russell Selph
Got it. Thanks!
Wim Vandeputte
> My problem is, the next update I received from the the mailing list was
> OpenBSD-cvs.1517.gz, and I can't find 1515 or 1516 anywhere. Does the FTP
> site take a while to get updated? (I'm using ftp://ctm.openbsd.org/)
> Should I force 1517 and just go from there? Or am I missing something
> obvious?
There have been some problems with the CTM generating machine in the last
week, due to a problem with a corrupted filesystem. (one of last weeks
problems...) The machine would drop nicely into DDB> every morning at 5am.
It seems stable now, but I believe Hans-Guenter still invoces the process
by hand to doublecheck things.
The good part is that generating the CTM diffs changed from 9hours to just 1.5
hours though because we just upgraded the machine ;-)
I'm sure Hans-Guenter can anwer your questions, I put him in CC:
Hans-Guenter Weigand
> My problem is, the next update I received from the the mailing list was
> OpenBSD-cvs.1517.gz, and I can't find 1515 or 1516 anywhere. Does the FTP
> site take a while to get updated? (I'm using ftp://ctm.openbsd.org/)
ctm.se.openbsd.org is the primary CTM ftp server. If something is not
there, it doesn't exist. ctm.openbsd.org is in fact ctm.ca.openbsd.org
and mirrors from Sweden.
Deltas 1515 and 1516 were mailed out without trouble, must be a local
mail problem.
> Should I force 1517 and just go from there? Or am I missing something
> obvious?
No, CTM relies on the right order of deltas. If you force it and ctm
really applies the delta, you might not be able to apply later deltas.
In this case you have to start from scratch (resp. the base delta) or a
recent backup.
-ctm^H^H^Hhgw
Hannah Schroeter
On Sat, Feb 10, 2001 at 06:42:07PM +0100, Hans-Guenter Weigand wrote:
> [...]
> ctm.se.openbsd.org is the primary CTM ftp server. If something is not
> there, it doesn't exist. ctm.openbsd.org is in fact ctm.ca.openbsd.org
> and mirrors from Sweden.
Perhaps ctm.openbsd.org should be made to point to ctm.se.openbsd.org,
then?
> [...]
Kind regards,
Hannah.
Wim Vandeputte
> > ctm.se.openbsd.org is the primary CTM ftp server. If something is not
> > there, it doesn't exist. ctm.openbsd.org is in fact ctm.ca.openbsd.org
> > and mirrors from Sweden.
>
> Perhaps ctm.openbsd.org should be made to point to ctm.se.openbsd.org,
> then?
No, it should point to badlands.rug.ac.be where the CTM delta's are
generated.
Hannah Schroeter
On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 10:50:50AM +0100, Wim Vandeputte wrote:
> [...]
> > Perhaps ctm.openbsd.org should be made to point to ctm.se.openbsd.org,
> > then?
> No, it should point to badlands.rug.ac.be where the CTM delta's are
> generated.
Then SO be it. Why not?
Kind regards,
Hannah.
Russell Selph
uk...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de wrote on 2/11/01 11:19:
I would second this. For someone just coming on to the CTM list, it's a
little confusing to have the main ftp site out of sync with the mailing
list.
-russ
Wim Vandeputte
> > Then SO be it. Why not?
>
> I would second this. For someone just coming on to the CTM list, it's a
> little confusing to have the main ftp site out of sync with the mailing
> list.
Because this has grown historically. CTM used to be generated on a machine
in Germany, linked to the Net with an ISDN line. Resources where sparse.
Today, CTM generation is done on a completely different setup, hardware and
network wise. The machine is also a CVS server, FTP mirror and welconnected
to the Net.
Changing things without braking stuff sometimes brings these weird
loops. I think we can be glad for the mailinglist Millert runs and the
work the people from Stacken did in the past.
Russell Selph
Absolutely! I didn't mean to sound critical-- I'm actually quite impressed
with the whole CTM setup. Having been a long-time linux user, I have to say
that the experience of switching to OpenBSD has been very pleasant, not only
because of the quality of the system itself, but also because of the various
support systems - like CTM - that the developers have set up.
I offered the suggestion in the spirit of constructive feedback, only.
-russ