allwinner & cubieboard & cpu selection for ng-openboard

Orson Zhai

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Feb 7, 2014, 1:15:26 PM2/7/14

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hi,

我上次去创客空间，和water聊起来下一代openboard的处理器选型问题。

最近调查了一下，发现Allwinner的处理器发展的还比较快。

我看到一个slide说allwinner在平板市场占有率达到15%，仅次于苹果。

allwinner的社区支持也不错，比如sunxi社区。

cubieboard之前也听说过，现在出了2代，用的就是allwinner。

淘宝链接 http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-1901866415.2.KL3ROt&id=19815480852

cubieboard仅是开放原理图，这仍然不能算是真正的open hardware, 但至少比RPi强些。

所以提出来请大家讨论，下一代（其实不应说是下一代，而是高配款）是否可以考虑Allwinner的处理器呢？

或有其他更好的替代？比如仍沿用freescale的imx6系列?

Orson Zhai

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Feb 7, 2014, 1:19:42 PM2/7/14

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Tao Zhang

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Feb 11, 2014, 10:27:03 PM2/11/14

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Hi,

I think what is special about the OpenBoard is the amazing expandability of the FPGA, which provides many possibilities of HW algorithm acceleration and connectivity of peripherals.

For the processor, there are too many options, such as Allwinner, MTK, Intel Quark and so on. All of them have limited peripheral interfaces, made for a certain field of application (e.g. Smart phones or tablets). But the OpenRisc is different; you can play with the CPU architecture, IP cores, low latency data processing and various of interface protocols.

Thus I suggest the OpenBoard should insist on FPGA, the thing that distinguishes the OpenBoard form many other platforms in the market. And we should expand the IP libraries, connectivities and applications step by step in the community. Shall the CPU speed (or 3G baseband) be a problem, a general application processor could be added on the PCB as a co-processor.

在 2014年2月8日星期六UTC+8上午2时15分26秒，Orson Zhai写道：

Orson Zhai

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On 2014年02月12日 11:27, Tao Zhang wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think what is special about the OpenBoard is the amazing expandability
> of the FPGA, which provides many possibilities of HW algorithm
> acceleration and connectivity of peripherals.

yea, OpenRISC,often abbrev as OR, is the most complete open source
hardware in the world. It is one part of OpenBRD and led by Rill now.

>
> For the processor, there are too many options, such as Allwinner, MTK,
> Intel Quark and so on. All of them have limited peripheral interfaces,
> made for a certain field of application (e.g. Smart phones or tablets).
> But the OpenRisc is different; you can play with the CPU architecture,
> IP cores, low latency data processing and various of interface protocols.
>

OR also has a shortage of low speed clock and higher cost （compare to
popular SoC).

> Thus I suggest the OpenBoard should insist on FPGA,
the thing that

that's right, we are just starting to do that.

> distinguishes the OpenBoard form many other platforms in the market.
> And we should expand the IP libraries, connectivities and applications
> step by step in the community.

i could not agree more.

Shall the CPU speed (or 3G baseband) be
> a problem, a general application processor could be added on the PCB as
> a co-processor.

It is a really good idea.
I just talked to Reking about his idea of combining Arduino(avr) and
imx233(arm9) together.

P.S. the history of OpenBRD

openbrd is abbreviation of openboard before i met Rill.
the initial idea of openbrd is to make a development board for arm SoC
with open source schematic and pcb layout.
now, the meaning of OpenBRD has been expanded to 3 aspects for open
source hardware.
B stands for the PCB Board with open schematic and pcb layout file.
R stands for the OR (OpenRISC) with open source verilog code
D stands for the open source debuggers such as JTAG etc.

these shall cover everything related to open source hardware in now days.

regarding the ASIC processor versions, i treat them as complementary
boards to the "B".

>
>
>
>
> 在 2014年2月8日星期六UTC+8上午2时15分26秒，Orson Zhai写道：
>
> hi,
>
> 我上次去创客空间，和water聊起来下一代openboard的处理器选型问题。
>
> 最近调查了一下，发现Allwinner的处理器发展的还比较快。
>
> 我看到一个slide说allwinner在平板市场占有率达到15%，仅次于苹果。
>
> allwinner的社区支持也不错，比如sunxi社区。
>
> cubieboard之前也听说过，现在出了2代，用的就是allwinner。
>
> 淘宝链接
> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-1901866415.2.KL3ROt&id=19815480852
> <http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-1901866415.2.KL3ROt&id=19815480852>
>

> cubieboard仅是开放原理图，这仍然不能算是真正的open hardware, 但至少
> 比RPi强些。
>
> 所以提出来请大家讨论，下一代（其实不应说是下一代，而是高配款）是否可
> 以考虑Allwinner的处理器呢？
>
> 或有其他更好的替代？比如仍沿用freescale的imx6系列?
>
>
>
>
>

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朱宏兵

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May 9, 2014, 6:00:58 AM5/9/14

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最近想把手头的坏了的和运行效果极差的Pad废物利用，发现运行效果极差的那个Pad，用的A13居然是TQFP的，想捣鼓捣鼓。我觉得A13不错，A13的Pad新的也只要两百多块钱，又是TQFP的，还带屏，我觉得是个利用的好选择。正在计划改造中……

Orson Zhai

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May 9, 2014, 6:08:36 AM5/9/14

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哈哈哈！这个是我正在为openboard下一版物色的处理器啊！
竟然你已经搞到啦！
赶紧拿来让大家观赏观赏吧！
下周四聚会？
最近知春路的量子芯座的IC咖啡开业了，要不下周去新地方聚一个？

我这边的openboard-pegasus 4.0也实现了sd启动，可以演示+预订了，正好一起。

greeting,
orson

On 2014年05月09日 18:00, 朱宏兵 wrote:
> 最近想把手头的坏了的和运行效果极差的Pad废物利用，发现运行效果极差的那
> 个Pad，用的A13居然是 TQFP的，想捣鼓捣鼓。我觉得A13不错，A13的Pad新的也
> 只要两百多块钱，又是TQFP的，还带屏，我觉得是个利用的好选择。正在计划
> 改造中……

>
>
> 2014-02-08 2:15 GMT+08:00 Orson Zhai <orso...@gmail.com

> <mailto:orso...@gmail.com>>:

>
> hi,
>
> 我上次去创客空间，和water聊起来下一代openboard的处理器选型问题。
>
> 最近调查了一下，发现Allwinner的处理器发展的还比较快。
>
> 我看到一个slide说allwinner在平板市场占有率达到15%，仅次于苹果。
>
> allwinner的社区支持也不错，比如sunxi社区。
>
> cubieboard之前也听说过，现在出了2代，用的就是allwinner。
>
> 淘宝链接
> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-1901866415.2.KL3ROt&id=19815480852
>

> cubieboard仅是开放原理图，这仍然不能算是真正的open hardware, 但至
> 少比RPi强些。
>
> 所以提出来请大家讨论，下一代（其实不应说是下一代，而是高配款）是否
> 可以考虑Allwinner的处理器呢？
>

> 或有其他更好的替代？比如仍沿用freescale的imx6系列?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> ope...@googlegroups.com <mailto:ope...@googlegroups.com> with

> subject as "subscribe"
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朱宏兵

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May 9, 2014, 6:35:15 AM5/9/14

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好啊，下周带过去，大家看看感兴趣不

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Orson Zhai

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吐血支持。

On 2014年05月09日 18:35, 朱宏兵 wrote:
> 好啊，下周带过去，大家看看感兴趣不
>
>
> 在 2014年5月9日下午6:08，Orson Zhai <orso...@gmail.com

> <mailto:orso...@gmail.com>>写道：
>
> 哈哈哈！这个是我正在为openboard下一版物色的处理器啊！

> 竟然你已经搞到啦！
> 赶紧拿来让大家观赏观赏吧！
> 下周四聚会？
> 最近知春路的量子芯座的IC咖啡开业了，要不下周去新地方聚一个？
>
> 我这边的openboard-pegasus 4.0也实现了sd启动，可以演示+预订了，正好
> 一起。
>
> greeting,
> orson
>
> On 2014年05月09日 18:00, 朱宏兵 wrote:
>
> 最近想把手头的坏了的和运行效果极差的Pad废物利用，发现运行效果
> 极差的那个Pad，用的A13居然是 TQFP的，想捣鼓捣鼓。我觉得A13不
> 错，A13的Pad新的也只要两百多块钱，又是TQFP的，还带屏，我觉得

> 是个利用的好选择。正在计划改造中……

>
>
> 2014-02-08 2:15 GMT+08:00 Orson Zhai <orso...@gmail.com

> <mailto:orso...@gmail.com> <mailto:orso...@gmail.com

> <mailto:orso...@gmail.com>>>:
>
>
> hi,
>
> 我上次去创客空间，和water聊起来下一代openboard的处理器选型
> 问题。
>
> 最近调查了一下，发现Allwinner的处理器发展的还比较快。
>
> 我看到一个slide说allwinner在平板市场占有率达到15%，仅次于
> 苹果。
>
> allwinner的社区支持也不错，比如sunxi社区。
>
> cubieboard之前也听说过，现在出了2代，用的就是allwinner。
>
> 淘宝链接
> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-1901866415.2.KL3ROt&id=19815480852
>
> cubieboard仅是开放原理图，这仍然不能算是真正的open
> hardware, 但至
> 少比RPi强些。
>
> 所以提出来请大家讨论，下一代（其实不应说是下一代，而是高配
> 款）是否
> 可以考虑Allwinner的处理器呢？
>
> 或有其他更好的替代？比如仍沿用freescale的imx6系列?
>
>
>
>
>
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Orson Zhai

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老朱，

你能看一下你手里那个pad的wifi芯片型号吗？
我只记得是rtl8188,但忘了尾缀。
上网一看，尾缀特别多，都不一样。
请你帮我看一下啊

rgds,
orson

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