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Lawrence Rosen

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Dec 23, 2009, 1:28:23 PM12/23/09

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A procedural question for the board:

Is there really a need to have continual elections for membership? Our lists are open to all, so what purpose would that serve? Essentially anyone can participate anyway. I'm comfortable with receiving and seconding nominations at any time, but can we do the voting only once or twice a year?

/Larry

From: open-web...@googlegroups.com [mailto:open-web...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eran Hammer-Lahav
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:22 AM
To: open-web...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Restarting the openweb.org conversation.

I’d be happy to nominate you.

We just need to find a volunteer to run the vote. There is another membership application pending.

EHL

From: open-web...@googlegroups.com [mailto:open-web...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan DiNiro
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:00 AM
To: open-web...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Restarting the openweb.org conversation.

To Eran's point, I'm happy to step up and contribute to developing plans and executing them. Sounds like Dewitt needs a little more time to arrange things before we move forward on either initiative.

I'm also soliciting a nomination for membership if any among the existing membership are willing to nominate me. I have been contributing on several fronts, but I'm not technically a member.

Cheers,
Nate

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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, DeWitt Clinton <dew...@unto.net> wrote:

Thanks, Monica! That's exactly what I was hoping for. The goals of the Incubator and the Advocacy groups are distinct, and my sense is that there is a lot of pent-up energy and enthusiasm to get to work immediately on the latter. Your contributions would be invaluable and much appreciated here.

-DeWitt

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Monica Keller <monica...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Guys
When I joined this group it was mainly to support advocacy of open
standards and then realized thats not what is was for :) I cannot
help with legislature as well but I definitely can help writing
Getting Started Guides, Tools and Comparison Reports on owdn.org.
Thanks to Mr Clinton for putting this up and everyone else who is
helping drive this. If this is the place where you state how you
contribute then there you go.

Happy Holidays

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Marc Canter
<ma...@broadbandmechanics.com> wrote:
> Fair enough
>
> I volunteer to help create and man a roadshow which will take the message of
> the open web and our open standards - out beyond Silicon Valley, Boston or
> NY
>
> Unless we can show the benefits of what our open standards bring to the
> mainstream - its all for naught. IMHO
>
> What committee is that?
>
> I vote we start in Cleveland - since that's where I just moved.
>
> :-)
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav <er...@hueniverse.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> What I’m asking for is pretty simple.
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to know who is going to do the work. Saying you support something
>> is pretty useless. Replying with a +1 is a dime a dozen. If you are going to
>> support the incubator committee, what role do you plan to play? Are you
>> going to mentor new editors? Are you going to help write the best practices
>> documents? Are you going to help write open source tools? Are you going to
>> offer yourself as committee chair?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t want us to create a committee and then see what happens, and there
>> is no reason why we can’t ask these questions ahead of time. I take it for
>> granted that if we poll the people on this list, the vast majority if not
>> everyone will be supportive of the two proposals. A few months ago I posted
>> a list of tasks that I thought would be useful. Some people stepped forward,
>> but for the most part people showed very little interest in working on those
>> items. At the end, even those who raised their hands didn’t do much.
>>
>>
>>
>> In other words, let’s get some traction on these before we bring it to the
>> board for a formal vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> EHL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: open-web...@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:open-web...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc Canter
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:57 PM
>>
>> To: open-web...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Restarting the openweb.org conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> OK - I'm not exactly sure what you're asking for Eran - but as a member of
>> the community who has up until now been little involved in the previous
>> efforts of the OWF - I want to be part of the "strong level of interest and
>> support" group.
>>
>> DeWitt's docs are a great start and it would be fabulous that they get
>> turne dinto collaborative docs on the wiki.
>>
>> IMHO
>>
>> - marc
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav <er...@hueniverse.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Before these motions are brought to the board for consideration, I
>> would like to propose that we treat this the same way most standards
>> bodies operate before creating a new working group. That is, ask the
>> community if there is a wide enough interest in these proposals, and
>> ask people to step forward and indicate their intentions to do the
>> work.
>>
>> The IETF model is pretty useful here. It would be great to know ahead
>> of time what resources will be available to these committee in the
>> form of people and support. If you plan to join one or both of these
>> efforts, what do you plan to bring to the table? what kind of a
>> commitment can you make? what role would you see yourself play (chair,
>> technical writer, spec editor, mentor, advocate, etc.)?
>>
>> Unlike our other committees (legal, elections, infrastructure), these
>> two are very much open-ended and will not be driven by tasks from the
>> board. This means they require a strong, built-in leadership to make
>> them useful and productive. They also require a higher level of
>> investment to produce results.
>>
>> I would be very much supportive of both efforts and will vote to
>> approve these motions if the community at large can demonstrate,
>> before we vote, that it has the energy and commitment to get stuff
>> done.
>>
>> I would like to ask DeWitt, as the sponsoring board member of these
>> proposals, to consider my request and find the proper way to engage
>> the commitment levels at hand.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>>
>> EHL
>>
>> On Dec 12, 12:08 pm, DeWitt Clinton <dclin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I've created draft charter documents for both the Advocacy Committee and
>> > the
>> > Incubator Committee for your review:
>> >
>> > http://j.mp/advocacy-committee-charter
>> > http://j.mp/incubator-committee-charter
>> >
>> > These are saved as Google Docs for now, but we can move them over to the
>> > wiki for people to revise and edit collaboratively. (Or if people have
>> > Google accounts, I can invite them to edit these.)
>> >
>> > My hope is that these two new initiatives, combined with the existing
>> > Legal
>> > and the Infrastructure committees, will help the OWF cover a wide range
>> > of
>> > goals toward promoting and documenting the open web.
>> >
>> > Note that as drafted, these two new committees, like our existing legal
>> > and
>> > infrastructure committees, are open to all, regardless of their
>> > involvement
>> > level with the OWF itself. In fact, I expect that we will use the
>> > foundation itself as simply a lightweight framework for governance, and
>> > that
>> > much of the most substantial contributions will come from people all
>> > over
>> > the web (and the globe). To the extent that this helps us identify
>> > potential new membership for the OWF, all the better.
>> >
>> > Once we reach rough consensus around the scope and the language of the
>> > draft
>> > charter documents, I will submit them to the foundation board for
>> > approval.
>> > I'd like to do this by year end if possible.
>> >
>> > -DeWitt
>> >
>>
>> > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Jeff Sonstein <jsonst...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marc Canter wrote:
>> >
>> > > > DeWitt I'm with you 1,000%
>> >
>> > > > Education and clear concise persistent documentation on all these
>> > > > open
>> > > standards and efforts - is NEEDED!
>> > > [...]
>>
>> > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, DeWitt Clinton <dew...@unto.net>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > [forking this thread to start a parallel discussion]
>> >
>> > > > One of the stalled initiatives that Eran mentions in his post was
>> > > > the
>> > > proposal to use the openweb.org domain as a place to capture and
>> > > promote
>> > > information about open web technologies.
>> >
>> > > I for one
>> > > would love to see this sort of focus at the opeweb.org site
>> > > and opening membership up may be an effective way
>> > > to re-invigorate the organization
>> >
>> > > just my $0.02 worth
>> > > jeffs
>> >
>> > > --
>> > > "wanting to meet a writer because
>> > > you like their books
>> > > is like wanting to meet a duck
>> > > because you like pate"
>> > > - attributed to Margaret Atwood
>> > > by Kamila Shamsie -
>> > > ============
>> >
>> > > Prof. Jeff Sonstein
>> >
>> > >http://www.it.rit.edu/~jxs/
>> > >http://ariadne.iz.net/~jeffs/
>> > >http://chw.rit.edu/blog/
>> > >http://ariadne.iz.net/~jeffs/jeffs.asc
>> > >http://www.it.rit.edu/~jxs/emailDisclaimer.html
>> >
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Dec 23, 2009, 1:37:19 PM12/23/09

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There is no requirement to hold a vote… section 4.1 simply states how such a vote should happen, but not when.

We got one vote built in as part of the annual board elections. I think doing it once or twice a year might be too infrequent.

Given the lack of tools, it is a bit of a pain to run a vote. Whatever we decide should be based on people willing to do the work.

EHL

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