[OSN] Open Source Ecology in The Ecologist Magazine
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Josef Davies-Coates
May 5, 2010, 6:45:27 AM5/5/10
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http://www.theecologist.org/trial_investigations/477823/could_open_source_technologies_help_us_solve_climate_change.html
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Ben de Vries
May 5, 2010, 9:46:59 AM5/5/10
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Josef
So long as one doesn't use this phrase 'open source' to request donations with no real financial transparency, give no credit for original work representing it as ones' own (great way to get someone to sue you if owned IP), use directly exploitative labor practices based on a cult-like set of expectations, all of which Marcin Jakubowski at factor e farm is guilty of. It is unfortunate someone could take such a phrase which one would think of as having rather noble purpose and use it to manipulate and exploit others in such a manner. Perhaps there is a strength in revealing nearly every manner of abuse of the 'open source' concept at one place! (every possible mistake or abuse listed in one spot).
So I am delighted to see his name not mentioned in this article, but perhaps at some point it will become associated with the dire warning of how it can be abused in the wrong hands. I am a firm beleiver in collaboration and collaborative efforts, but for the benefit of all, not the benefit of one or an 'elite' (I believe that has been tried... ).--
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I find it rather easy to portray a businessman. Being bland, rather cruel and incompetent comes naturally to me.
- John Cleese
Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake: One of her characters asks, "As a species we're doomed by hope, then?" By hope? Well, yes. Hope drives us to invent new fixes for old messes, which in turn create ever more dangerous messes. Hope elects the politician with the biggest empty promise; and as any stockbroker or lottery seller knows, most of us will take a slim hope over prudent and predictable frugality. Hope, like greed, fuels the engine of capitalism.
So long as one doesn't use this phrase 'open source' to request donations with no real financial transparency, give no credit for original work representing it as ones' own (great way to get someone to sue you if owned IP), use directly exploitative labor practices based on a cult-like set of expectations, all of which Marcin Jakubowski at factor e farm is guilty of. It is unfortunate someone could take such a phrase which one would think of as having rather noble purpose and use it to manipulate and exploit others in such a manner. Perhaps there is a strength in revealing nearly every manner of abuse of the 'open source' concept at one place! (every possible mistake or abuse listed in one spot).
So I am delighted to see his name not mentioned in this article, but perhaps at some point it will become associated with the dire warning of how it can be abused in the wrong hands. I am a firm beleiver in collaboration and collaborative efforts, but for the benefit of all, not the benefit of one or an 'elite' (I believe that has been tried... ).
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I find it rather easy to portray a businessman. Being bland, rather cruel and incompetent comes naturally to me.
- John Cleese
Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake: One of her characters asks, "As a species we're doomed by hope, then?" By hope? Well, yes. Hope drives us to invent new fixes for old messes, which in turn create ever more dangerous messes. Hope elects the politician with the biggest empty promise; and as any stockbroker or lottery seller knows, most of us will take a slim hope over prudent and predictable frugality. Hope, like greed, fuels the engine of capitalism.
Richard Schulte
May 5, 2010, 11:26:00 AM5/5/10
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From personal experience, I second Ben on that sentiment. This is why I do not work with Marcin anymore, and why OSE-Mid Missouri has been dissolved. Students returned from the farm overworked and disillusioned, making the grand vision less convincing for them. Luckily, many folks are working on strong alternative projects. It may be helpful to map these out, as, given certain technical constraints behind the project, Factor E might not last forever.
Open design needs strong standards, practices and operating principles. Open Innovation, using the 'crowdsourcing' approach, is often following a similar pattern which leaves people feeling exploited. I hope we can learn to move beyond that, by building projects on true open source organizational models, rather than crowdsourcing ones, and also prioritizing strong documentation and transparency.
Richard Schulte
Open design needs strong standards, practices and operating principles. Open Innovation, using the 'crowdsourcing' approach, is often following a similar pattern which leaves people feeling exploited. I hope we can learn to move beyond that, by building projects on true open source organizational models, rather than crowdsourcing ones, and also prioritizing strong documentation and transparency.
Richard Schulte
Ryan Shelby
May 5, 2010, 7:42:54 PM5/5/10
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