feeling kind of sick

[B. Henry]

Just got a newsletter, cnet community questions or similar it is called, and sometimes there is an interest topic, mostly the non computer stuff as
computer questions are usually boring windows stuff that you should already know if you use that os, andI usually know a\even though I don't...lol, well
not much.
Any this clown asks
"should I leave PC for Apple?"
The answers are already in, the ones that might make the newsletter anyway/question was asked last week, but if I'd have seen it and was not too
naucious to write a reply I'd have surely said something like,
"Yes! One should always jump from the frying pan directly in to the fire so that death is quicker."
On the other hand using Apple stuff is probablymore akin to putting a frog in to water and slowly heating it till he boils to death. They just don't
feel what is happening to them.
You'd think they'd feel the difference in weight of their wallets anyway, but hey, the evil spell of Jobs lives and kills on!
Yeah, I'll take a free iphone if anyone wants to give me one, but give me a break, buy an apple computer?
Not as a blink, mybe if I could see and did some kind of graphic art or similar.
Cheers for Fears/Live Free or Die!


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[Howard Lee Harkness]

Burt, Apple isn't all that bad. Expensive, but it fits some niches quite nicely. There are a few things I use my iMac for, like video editing.

In my office, I have a Win10 laptop, a Win7 laptop, an Ubuntu Desktop, and an iMac. Right now the Ubuntu box gets about 50% of my usage, and I'm seriously considering upgrading the Win10 laptop to Ubuntu after that last go-round with the "Critical Error, your startup menu isn't working" problem that came up just after the last "update" from Microsoft. Turns out there are at least 10 different things that can cause that, and I went through 5 of the fixes before I found one that recovered. Well, almost recovered -- I still have to uninstall and re-install my Chrome browser (Firefox still works...).

When Win7 goes to end-of-life, I will upgrade my Win7 laptop to Ubuntu. Or maybe try a different distro -- I might want to check out Vinux.

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The snag is that ifyou go apple there is one and only one accessibility game
in town. Apples. You may like it, in which case fine, but if you do not you
cannot change as you can on Windows, albeit at a cost.
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[Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs]

I bet this does not work.
Brian
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[Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs]

Well I'll be darned, virgin allow me to spoof again.

Sorry folks.

[Howard Lee Harkness]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs <bg...@lineone.net> wrote:

Well I'll be darned, virgin allow me to spoof again.

I'm missing the context here. Are you referring to your ISP letting you post from 3 different email addresses?

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[Brian's Mail list account BY]

OK, the account I sent those two messages from is to all intents and
purposes dead as the company has been eaten by another. However it is still
receiving email, and I pondered some time back that if I used a different
log in to an account that does exist for sending from it, by altering the
email address that everyone actually sees in reply to and from, then I could
still have a use for the account. This worked for some years, but about two
weeks ago, Virgins servers chucked the sent mails back complaining that the
wrong email address was in the files.
I have thus assumed that they did not like me spoofing the address to
pretend it was from the other address. However today, its working again, or
so it seems.
Sorry, I was so sure it was busted I just sent the test as a reply. It
confuses me also, but ever loving to put one over on the isp industry, I
decided to use it again. This mail though is from the normal account

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Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: feeling kind of sick

[Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs]

Was that clear as mud. I'll go away now...

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[Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs]

Oops wrong sig line there.



bg...@lineone.net
Brian Gaff's other account.

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Subject: Re: feeling kind of sick

[Howard Lee Harkness]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs <bg...@lineone.net> wrote:

Oops wrong sig line there.

I have about 2 dozen email accounts, and can make more any time I want. It's a useful thing to have when you want to track who is selling your address...

If you want a free throwaway email, though, it's probably easier to use a service like mailinator.com

[Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs]

When I looked around for freebies, none of the crop had pop3 without paying
except google and Yahoo and of course the Microsoft ever changing
hotmail/msn/live/outlook and probably something else nest week.
Brian

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Subject: Re: feeling kind of sick

[B. Henry]

And apple's voice over works best with Apple software, and in some cases it does not work at all with 3rd party software made for apple products.
This is certainly part of the overall lack of freedom one is faced with when they buy apple.

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Brian's Mail list account BY wrote:
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[B. Henry]

What does not work?
Your message posts.

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Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs wrote:
Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:31:22PM -0000

[B. Henry]

There are otheres, or were last I checked, but no one should use pop these days in less possibly they are running their own server.
The other exception is if one has a very slow and intermittent internet connection where the syncing gets interupted frequently making for annoying
speech outputamong other bad effects.

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[Howard Lee Harkness]

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:05 PM, B. Henry <burt1...@gmail.com> wrote:

And apple's voice over works best with Apple software, and in some cases it does not work at all with 3rd party software made for apple products.
This is certainly part of the overall lack of freedom one is faced with when they buy apple.

It's not terribly difficult to rig an iMac to run Windoze or Linux. And the hardware is generally a bit more robust than the typical Windoze or Linux box. Not sure it's worth the extra cost, though.

An iMac keeps its resale value pretty well, too. Not that it would matter much to me since I keep hardware until I can't keep it running anymore, at which point it is essentially worthless regardless of brand.

[B. Henry]

No doubt that resale vaule is much better for any Apple product, phone or laptop or whatever.
Their proffit margin for iphones is obsceen though.
Of course they should be able to sell for what ever they want to, but for them to try and tell me not to unlock a device?
That makes me sick, and that is not joking around!
Again, they do do many things correctly, and there is a lot to be said for designing software to work on very specific hardware, but I can't pay the
price they ask for this, mostly in freedom, but economically as well.
Ideally I guess I'd be running gentoo, but could not get speech last time I tried to boot from one of their images.
I want to try gentoo as soon as I can get back to it as it does seem logicalthat compiling for ones system should give the best performance.
Not practical for the average user however, land even for a sys admin it'd be a lot of work for little actual gain I think.
Maybe for a high performance server that would seldom need to update more than a few packages it'd be worth it, but I'll never have a clue until I try
it.
Anyone on this list run gentoo with speech?

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[Christopher Chaltain]

I think there are other reasons to run POP. You may not be accessing
your device from multiple devices or applications. You may be
uncomfortable having all of your messages stored on some else's servers.
I switched to IMAP myself when I started accessing my email from
multiple devices and applications, but I would say no one should be
using POP. It's a perfectly adequate protocol, and if it's best for the
way you handle your email then you should be using it.they should

On 12/03/16 14:11, B. Henry wrote:
> There are otheres, or were last I checked, but no one should use pop these days in less possibly they are running their own server.
> The other exception is if one has a very slow and intermittent internet connection where the syncing gets interupted frequently making for annoying
> speech outputamong other bad effects.
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[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not aware of Apple ever telling anyone you can't unlock one of their
devices, at least not since their exclusive deal with AT&T ended. This
would come from the cell providers and not Apple. I've never done it,
but I'm pretty sure you can get unlocked iPhones direct from Apple.

On 12/03/16 15:22, B. Henry wrote:
> No doubt that resale vaule is much better for any Apple product, phone or laptop or whatever.
> Their proffit margin for iphones is obsceen though.
> Of course they should be able to sell for what ever they want to, but for them to try and tell me not to unlock a device?
> That makes me sick, and that is not joking around!
> Again, they do do many things correctly, and there is a lot to be said for designing software to work on very specific hardware, but I can't pay the
> price they ask for this, mostly in freedom, but economically as well.
> Ideally I guess I'd be running gentoo, but could not get speech last time I tried to boot from one of their images.
> I want to try gentoo as soon as I can get back to it as it does seem logicalthat compiling for ones system should give the best performance.
> Not practical for the average user however, land even for a sys admin it'd be a lot of work for little actual gain I think.
> Maybe for a high performance server that would seldom need to update more than a few packages it'd be worth it, but I'll never have a clue until I try
> it.
> Anyone on this list run gentoo with speech?
>
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[B.Henry]

I used the wrong wording. I should have said jailbreak as unlock has the
other meaning specific to mobile devices that connect via 3G or similar
protocols.
I do not remember how the court case came out exactly, but the idea that
anyone will tell me how I can use a device I've already not only bought
and payed for, but payed a premium price to get is, well just crazy.

[B. Henry]

Yes, I did not state the the only one device, ever scinario.
It hardly helps to use pop if you are not comfortable about stuff on other people's servers though as it's still there for a while, even if lyou do wipe
after download.
If lyou do this then you beter be backing up locally, and frequently if your mail is at all important.
Imap can of course be stored locally, and my important folders generally are.
You should have backups of course if you do not trust the server as you could loose local content before you realize that you are syncing with an empty
mailbox.
Bottom line is you do need backups no matter what you do, but yes I should have added the obvious line/qualifier to the effect of:
"If you ever use more than one computer to access your email then you should use imap."
I used the pop server for one backup of important mail, but man, when I forgot to move or tag things I would up with hours of extra work when using a
computer that did not have a complex filter system, i.e. lots of deleted messages got redownloaded.
All computers and hard drives die, so with storage free to end users in generous amounts I do say that either automate a good backup system, or use imap
these days, and still you should do that backup.
I sync my mutt folders twice a day as part of my general backup strategy, but if my mail were more important I'd have them syncing much more often, or
use something like offline imap.
There are no absolutes, but I find almost all of the pop users I talk to these days just use it because it was the best way to go 10-20 years ago,
that's what someone told them to use, or that's what they started out with.
Just my 3 cents.
Got to go to work and try and make 3 more.

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Actually, that is just the same with Windows though, is it not?
You find increasingly that the new windows programs are just flat pictures
with undetectable hot spots and we use them as there is nothing for the
screenreader to latch onto. So it is with flash or java or whatever it uses,
the programs and development environments have to be written using the
official access routines but its all optional, and of course ported code is
unlikely to contain this for all platforms. This is when things break. If
you are a controlling organisation like Msoft or Apple you need to o police
the software to stop stuff being written that does not support your
accessibility api. However in Microsofts case they seem incapable of making
their own software work at times so what chance the user?
The term dogs dinner comes to mind.
We are not taken seriously if the getting out there os new kit and software
is important. they only tick our box when after brownie points for their pr.

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[Brian's Mail list account BY]

I disagree. I find online web based email a real pain in the bum due to
those who make the pages changing the design very six weeks. Imap does not
allow message rules to be used except after the messages are stored manually
while online or they vanish.
No ppop3 is fine for what I do, and its safe.
Not sure what you have against pop3, its only away of storing emails at
your isp and then transferring them to a common interface on your machine
later on.
In the old days of K9Q dos email software, we effectively did directly run
our own email system, and although I can see how nice it is to be able to
send smtp directly to the other party, it did not stop problems of
compatibility happening with cryptic error messages.

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In the UK I'm sure this is the case from their stores and there is a
thriving market in the older but perfectly good phones on the network of
your choice even from their own shops.

It depends on your terminology of locked though. If you mean hacked as the
FBI wants to do, then no, and I'd hope nobody ever does allow this as the
naivety of expecting such knowledge to remain secret once law enforcement
know it astounds me.

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Strangely,the only email vendors I've had issues with using multiple pop 3
is Yahoo and Hotmail.Most of the others provide very nice leave on server
for x days or untill I decide type options from inside pop3.

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[Christopher Chaltain]

To my knowledge there was no court case that came to resolution
regarding the jail breaking of Apple devices. The US Copyright Office
did rule that jail breaking of an iPhone is not covered by the DMCA
based on a request from the EFF. The Copyright Office did declare that
jail breaking of an iPhone is covered by the fare use act. You do void
your warranty with Apple if you jail break your phone, but this doesn't
seem unreasonable to me. Note that I'm not an Apple fan, but I don't
think misinformation about Apple needs to be spread. There's already
enough reasons to avoid Apple.

[B. Henry]

Perhaps my memory is no correct, but I thought I remembered Apple tried to take this to court.
You are probably correct, and of course I am not in to spreading any misinformation.
It is probably reasonable that the warranty is voided by jailbreaking, but I'd have to read the exact wording of the document to make a fair
decission about this.
This brings up another issue, unreasonable warranty conditions, marketing, and pricing, and it goes far beyond Apple.
Generally adding RAM is generally much cheaper than "upgrading" from a default configuration, but doing so can void a waranty.
Then the design decission to hardwire batteries is something that also ticks me off, but I am straying far from the original topic.
I am one who never accepts playing fast and loose with facts just because an important issue exists, and although a lot of folks do not fact check and
make their decissions based on generalities and gut level them.
feelings one can hope that more people will, and using bad data to try and make points
gives people on the other side of a question ammo to use against them.
I don't have time to research the question at the moment, but will do a quick investigation later this afternoon, and if Apple did not come out in favor
of a ban on jailbreaking then I am apologize for misinforming anyone here.
As you say, there are enough reasons to not like Apple with out being untruthful, and I always prefer to stand on firm ground/often find myself
correcting people who are basically on my side of an issue because they replace facts with wishful thinking or rumors.

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[B. Henry]

Again, Ishould have said jailbreak instead of the very general term ulock as unlock is likely to be understood in the specific sense.

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[B. Henry]

Yes, we certainly get back to the advantages of open source code, i.e. at least giving the knowledgable end user, and especially the developers a
better chance
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[Howard Lee Harkness]

I certainly like FOSS, but I don't mind paying for useful software that does what I need (and doesn't cost more than it's worth).

There are a few things that I use (and like) that do not run on Linux, which is the only reason I put up with Microsoft. When somebody comes out with a Peachtree-compatible accounting system that runs on Linux, I would pay money for that. Another program I use that does not have a native Linux client is Evernote.

Unfortunately, the "free" part of FOSS makes it a challenge to make money by writing open-source programs, and there are many FOSS applications that have died simply because the developers lost interest, and had to do something else in order to make a living.

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[B. Henry]

I'll try and answer a couple of emails and wind up my comments on this here to avoid cluter.
First I've never seen messages disappear because one applies a filter, but generally find it easier to apply fiilters locally rather than doing so on a
web interface. Of course this does not help one who wants filters and uses webmail.
I have used some gmail filters with good results over the years.
I did not know that yahoo had a restrictive pop retention policy, but thought they did not allow pop at all for free accounts on their main domain, at
least for a few years, i.e. may have allowed it, taken away that option and maybe put it back after a time, but in general have found yahoo a bit less
comfortable to use at best, and at times very troublesome. One could not get yahoo to work with thunderbird in many cases several years ago with out
jumping through some hoops, and sometimes the tricks did not work either.
There web interface is not very intuitive or responsive for me although I know they spent time and energy making it accessible. I should give it another
try as I generally like the company and want to see them succeed.
Hotmail has always annoyed me, first because I could not use it with my textbased email client way back when in the 90s when I had internet access for a
few months and got my first email accounts, and more recently because my mail is often not deleivered to some hotmail users I correspond with.
Some people use hotmail for years with no major issues, but other people I know have had problems to say the lease which I won't go in to here as it's
OT, and would be only me repeating stories as it were and not put into a larger context.
Sorry, not writing well this morning.
As for pop I think I made my points in other replies. The only pop I have used since the 90s was gmail's and I had no complaints with it.
I did get a mess with a lot of wasted server space and duplicate messages when I kept one machine using pop access and everything else used imap, but
other than gmail's annoying "all mail" had no problems. With the correct searches I could have probably cleaned it out easier, and still need to take a
look and see what can be removed as there's no way I should be using as much storage as I am...lol.
I honestly do not care how one does manage their email as it does not effect me, but do try and inform folks as to why they are likely better off with
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Brian's Mail list account BY wrote:

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[Christopher Chaltain]

Well Apple did object to the decision of the Federal regulators to
assert that jail breaking an iPhone is not illegal, but as far as I can
tell, they did not take anyone to court. Here's one source I found via
Google http://www.wired.com/2010/07/feds-ok-iphone-jailbreaking/

On 13/03/16 12:49, B. Henry wrote:
> Perhaps my memory is no correct, but I thought I remembered Apple tried to take this to court.
> You are probably correct, and of course I am not in to spreading any misinformation.
> It is probably reasonable that the warranty is voided by jailbreaking, but I'd have to read the exact wording of the document to make a fair
> decission about this.
> This brings up another issue, unreasonable warranty conditions, marketing, and pricing, and it goes far beyond Apple.
> Generally adding RAM is generally much cheaper than "upgrading" from a default configuration, but doing so can void a waranty.
> Then the design decission to hardwire batteries is something that also ticks me off, but I am straying far from the original topic.
> I am one who never accepts playing fast and loose with facts just because an important issue exists, and although a lot of folks do not fact check and
> make their decissions based on generalities and gut level them.
> feelings one can hope that more people will, and using bad data to try and make points
> gives people on the other side of a question ammo to use against them.
> I don't have time to research the question at the moment, but will do a quick investigation later this afternoon, and if Apple did not come out in favor
> of a ban on jailbreaking then I am apologize for misinforming anyone here.
> As you say, there are enough reasons to not like Apple with out being untruthful, and I always prefer to stand on firm ground/often find myself
> correcting people who are basically on my side of an issue because they replace facts with wishful thinking or rumors.
>
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[B. Henry]

Wow, from the URL, I am guessing that the story is from 2010.
http://www.wired.com/2010/07/feds-ok-iphone-jailbreaking/
It does not seem so long ago to me that this was in the news.
Thanks so much for keeping things clear and in focus/good job as usual!

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[Brian's Mail list account BY]

Googles Imap was probably the best. Unfortunately my isp has taken its
business away from them to some other provider and now I cannot manage spam
that way any more, so what I've done is gone back to pop3 for its ability to
do auto sorting and delete from server silently all from rules acting on the
header only in Outlook Express, though other clients do much the same of
course.
To me having a common interface is by far the best approach now, due to the
continual 'updating' of web mail interfaces and the flaky nature of Imap
which is in effect just a look at the online serers condition, and nobody
seems to allow the flexibility that Google did via this.