Guidescope/Camera guidelines

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acb

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Sep 19, 2017, 5:33:23 PM9/19/17
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Are there any guidelines or formulas to determine the required focal length of the guidescope?

I suppose it depends on the pixel size and sensor size of your guide camera and also on the focal length of the imaging scope and the pixel size and sensor size of the imaging camera.

Does anybody have any idea?

bw_msgboard

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Sep 19, 2017, 6:16:07 PM9/19/17
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Hi, this is Bruce.  I posted my response on the Stark Labs forum last night.  As I said there, what probably matters more is the relationship between the two image scales rather than two focal lengths – I think you already knew that.  The goal is for the tracking/guiding to be seeing-limited, you want to keep any centroid error well below that.  Beyond the simple stuff I described, it becomes a matter of your seeing conditions, the sensitivity of the guide camera and how faint the guide star is, the size of the star disks on your main system, etc.   I don’t think there’s any cookbook answer for this.  And if you’re imaging at long focal lengths (fine image scales), the issues of differential flexure will usually take over and most of this other stuff becomes irrelevant.

 

Cheers,

Bruce

 


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acb

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Sep 19, 2017, 7:00:16 PM9/19/17
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Bruce, I saw your comments there. By far the best yet. Somebody suggested I posted this topic here too. Supposedly there a more experts here.

Bryan

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Sep 19, 2017, 11:58:52 PM9/19/17
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Also a copy from other forum

Bruce’s approach can be translated into a similar rule of thumb as the historical value with respect to focal length of the guide scope, if we accept a couple assumptions. This reduces the number of calcs needed.

 

GP = Guide camera pixel size in microns

GF = Guide camera focal length in mm

IP = Image camera pixel size

IF = Image camera focal length

 

Assumptions:

    1. Centroid accuracy of 0.2 pixels for the guiding software

    2. Movement of less than 1 pixel on the main image is the acceptable upper limit


Guider image scale = GP * 206.265/GF

Imager image scale = IP * 206.265/IF

 

Acceptable Movement on main image = 1 pixel = GP * 206.265/GF * 0.2

                                                                                       ---------------------

                                                                                 IP * 206.265/IF

 


 

Rule of thumb

Guider focal length > 0.2*(GP/IP)*IF

 

Bruce’s first example

 

Guider focal length > 0.2*(5.3/7.3)*1680 = 229

The 350 f.l. guidescope is OK

 

Bruce’s second example

Guider focal length > 0.2*(5.3/7.3)*2540 = 354

The 350 f.l. guiderscope is marginal

 

 Bryan

bw_msgboard

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Sep 20, 2017, 4:49:39 PM9/20/17
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Hi Bryan, thanks for doing this.  

 

Bruce

 


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