Tracking degenerates

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Jack Bernstein

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Mar 22, 2026, 10:30:37 AM (6 days ago) Mar 22
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I have mounted my AT115 on an AM5. The camera is a Minicam8 with the guide camera = ASI220MM through an OAG. I used guiding assistant for the guiding setup. In spite of my 'thinking' that I did everything right, I only got 48 min of decent tracking. I then got 'star lost' and 'tracker won't settle' messages. 

Please give me some hints as to what I am doing wrong and how to remedy them. Attached is the tracker log. I can upload the debug log as well, if that is useful.



Jack

Bruce Waddington

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Mar 22, 2026, 12:03:48 PM (5 days ago) Mar 22
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It kind of looks to me like you threw everything together and started trying to image, expecting everything was going to work just fine.  As you found out, it didn't.  I think you need to back up and invest time in testing your new setup and getting it working correctly before trying to do automated imaging.  It looks like you spent the first 45 minutes trying to use a calibration done two nights ago, but a later calibration showed that the guiding assembly wasn't in the same orientation.  So the first 45 minutes can't tell us anything.  When you finally did a new calibration, the Calibration Assistant told you it was a poor result - which it was.  Plowing ahead with a bad calibration will generally just produce bad results.  With the strain-wave mount, it's possible that you don't have the luxury of using 3-sec guide camera exposures.  A large periodic error in the mount will often create orthogonality errors in the calibration.  I can't see that you ever did a Guiding Assistant run, but the limited guiding data we have suggest your polar alignment error was very large, perhaps 25 arc-min.  And of course, all of this was further muddled by all the lost-star events.  The fact that you didn't take the time to build a dark library was a further complication.  I think it's possible your OAG/Guide camera assembly may have some problems, for example guide camera focus, looseness, or positioning of the pick-off prism.  Obviously, until you can eliminate all the lost-star problems, you're not going to get much insight into the guiding performance.  That's the place to start - you probably need to reliably get usable guide stars with 1-second exposures at this point.  After you've gotten there, get a baseline set of measurements using the attached guide.  I would extend the testing to include 20-30 minute guiding sessions on each side of the pier.

Good luck,
Bruce
Baseline_Measurements.pdf

Jack Bernstein

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Mar 22, 2026, 1:49:54 PM (5 days ago) Mar 22
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Bruce,

Thanks for taking your time to look at this. I appreciate all your comments. A major issue I had was that my camera connection to the scope came loose and rotated 90 degrees. This alone would have messed things up. Moreover, I 'assumed' that my mount was polar aligned since it had been done recently and I didn't move it. Will have to check it next clear night. The dark library is now built. I've reviewed "How to create a baseline  for guiding results using PHD2" and will go through this systematically with the scope.

Appreciate the effort.

Jack

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