Well, the 'they' is me, for the most part, and the best practices were
actually hard to turn into good legislative language, so hopefully the
next people down this road will find this easier than I did.
> I know these policies are just the foundation and more is set to come, but
> one thing worth considering as a starting point for taking action on a
> policy like this is to make the requests and responses for freedom of
> information requests open and online by default. This is often referred to
> as "open FOIA." In alignment with existing law, this would still adhere to
> privacy considerations and anonymize the requester if needed. This would
> reduce the cost and burden of fulfilling common requests. I'm not sure what
> the current status of New Hampshire's open records law is, but it might be
> worth addressing this open data policy in that context as well. I started to
> collect some pointers on establishing the release of data with a policy or
> initiative like this at http://wiki.civiccommons.com/Open_Data_Priorities
Depending on the results of these bills, I'll seriously look into
this. NH's got very good FOIA laws now, but this would be a good next
step, and certainly directly flow from the combining of the 2.
> Another thing worth considering is the approach to open source as it
> pertains to software developed by the government and made available to the
> public. The principles of this being open are much the same as for data
> being open, but with important benefits worth considering: if more
> governments are contributing their source code there is more source code for
> governments to use and build upon.
Yes, this is actually part of my pitch on the Open Source bill - the
potential for reuse is huge.
> In short, it
> might be worth taking internal open source development into account in
> either the open source policy or the open data policy.
Good point. I'm trying to focus on external acquisitions in the Open
Source bill now, because it's the more obvious piece here,
but yes, internal development is certainly the next step.
> It's great to know there are open source folks in a legislative body. Did
> you ever read this?
> http://infovegan.com/2010/07/19/why-developers-should-run-for-congress
I hadn't and I will share with the other coders in our body. I think
we have at least 5, out of 400, which is pretty good, considering
we're also still working our coding jobs so we can afford to work for
just $100 a year here at the NH State House. (Yes, you did read those
numbers correct. 400 House Reps, each paid $100 a year.)
> I'm BCCing a few other lists:
> dis...@civiccommons.org
> opengovi...@googlegroups.com
> forg...@googlegroups.com
Excellent.
If anyone wishes to submit short and concise written testimony (in
favor, I'd hope) to the committee hearing this (Open Data is being
heard next week, Open Source unscheduled but in the next few weeks),
I'd be glad to help make that happen. Just contact me.
thanks,
Rep. Seth Cohn
representing Merrimack 6
New Hampshire House of Representatives
Seth...@leg.state.nh.us
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Philip Ashlock <ph...@openplans.org> wrote:Hey Seth, These look pretty good to me. I'm glad to see that they're following what seem to be the best practices established in these policy areas.Well, the 'they' is me, for the most part,
and the best practices were
actually hard to turn into good legislative language,
so hopefully the next people down this road will find this easier than I did.
- Josh Tauberer
- CivicImpulse / GovTrack.us
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House as props."
On 01/27/2011 09:31 PM, Philip Ashlock wrote:
> On 1/27/11 8:56 PM, Seth Cohn wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Philip Ashlock<ph...@openplans.org> wrote:
>>> Hey Seth,
>>>
>>> These look pretty good to me. I'm glad to see that they're following what
>>> seem to be the best practices established in these policy areas.
>> Well, the 'they' is me, for the most part,
>
> It's really impressive for you to take this on. By "they" I just meant
> the policies :)
>
>> and the best practices were
>
> Just for clarity for others listening, the best practices I'm referring
> to are the Perens/OSI definitions for open source
> <http://www.opensource.org/osd.html> and open standards
> <http://perens.com/OpenStandards/Definition.html> as well as the 8
> principles of open data <http://resource.org/8_principles.html> which I
> discussed in my aforementioned blog post.
>
>
>> actually hard to turn into good legislative language,
>
> This might be the first open data policy I've seen that includes the 8
> principles other than the one from Ottawa
> but theirs wasn't nearly as integrated into the legislation as this one.
> I've seen the 8 principles used so much that it seems like I've seen it
> in other policies, but I can't think of any others (save for some
> internal policies <http://wiki.civiccommons.org/Risk_Evaluation>).
>
> As for the Perens definitions for open source and open standards, I know
> that the open source definition was used by the state of California
> <http://www.cio.ca.gov/Government/IT_Policy/pdf/IT_Policy_Letter_10-01_Open_Source_Software.pdf>
> and both of them were used by Vermont
> <http://dii.vermont.gov/sites/dii/files/pdfs/DII-Open_Source_Policy.pdf>.
>
> I haven't really compared what you have to these too much, but if you
> have a chance, it'd be great if you could outline some of the changes
> you made in order to improve or adapt them for legislative language.
>
>
>> so hopefully the
>> next people down this road will find this easier than I did.
>>
> That's the beauty of building on and improving what's already out there.
> Much appreciation for you having that attitude.
>
>>> I know these policies are just the foundation and more is set to come, but
>>> one thing worth considering as a starting point for taking action on a
>>> policy like this is to make the requests and responses for freedom of
>>> information requests open and online by default. This is often referred to
>>> as "open FOIA." In alignment with existing law, this would still adhere to
>>> privacy considerations and anonymize the requester if needed. This would
>>> reduce the cost and burden of fulfilling common requests. I'm not sure what
>>> the current status of New Hampshire's open records law is, but it might be
>>> worth addressing this open data policy in that context as well. I started to
>>> collect some pointers on establishing the release of data with a policy or
>>> initiative like this athttp://wiki.civiccommons.com/Open_Data_Priorities
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