Hi Greg,
Interesting research. Is there any chance you give us an example of the graph itself - some subgraph. The schema is not very readable for me.
I don't know how to read
Is there any example of this part of the schema?
Alex
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Greg:
You may want to compare with the figures in Sherburne’s A Key to Whitehead’s Process and Reality, though with caution, since these are only Sherburne’s interpretations, and as I recall, I had objections to his Figure 1 on p. 10, though I no longer remember why.
One quick correction immediately occurs to me: If a society is a nexus, then it is more than just a set of edges, it must include vertices and therefore be a subgraph.
The other major question I have is why you characterize Eternal Objects as symbols. I am not sure how that clarifies anything rather than just raising additional questions. I always understood Eternal Objects as constraints on the realization of actual occasions and the prehensions they have with other actual occasions, where each actual occasion and its prehensions would be constrained to some extent by every Eternal Object. Additionally, Whitehead recognizes a nexus of all Eternal Objects, in which case there would be a graph of Eternal Objects constraining the graph of actual occasions. You could combine these graphs, but since each of them is already a complete graph, the resulting complete graph would simply compound the interrelations. For me, I think it is more helpful to keep the meta-level of Eternal Objects logically separate from the level of actual occasions, while recognizing that Eternal Objects are not in some separate Platonic heaven.
I did not have time to review all of your document, but I think the representation of Eternal Objects as symbols is the key aspect you need to explain and to justify.
Mark Ressler
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Is there any example of this part of the schema?
Alex
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Hello forum,
I am interested in tapping into the collective wisdom of this group for feedback on the attached document prior to a wider distribution. It involves interpreting the cosmology/"philosophy of organism" presented in A. N. Whitehead's Process and Reality (1929) through the lens of a network graph having a particular schema and set of rules for its use. It is my belief that this perspective would be an aid to anyone wrestling to apply or even simply to better understand Whitehead's philosophical contribution and its relevance today.
I am particularly interested in conversing here with anyone who may have read or heard about Whitehead's ideas and were struck by the sense that he was thinking in graphs before that really was even a thing. What fascinates me in all of this is how remarkably ahead of his time he actually was and how we might come to recognize that his time has finally come and that in so many respects, he still points to where we need to go.
Thank you in advance for your consideration,
Greg Sharp
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I invoke the word ‘constraint’ simply from the basic consideration that an actuality is typically understood as becoming determined in its definiteness, to use Whitehead’s phraseology, according to the potentialities available to it, where those potentialities are standardly considered to be prior in some way or other. Consequently, actualities such as actual occasions and the prehensions between them are constrained in their actuality according to the potentialities embodied in eternal objects. This is inherent in Whitehead’s characterization of eternal objects that you reference.
On ‘Platonic Forms’, see the next page, p. 44, for Whitehead’s qualifications of the use of this term, where he clearly makes a distinction. Of course, Aristotle also invokes the notion of form, but in a distinctly different sense than Plato does, and I have always read Whitehead as following Aristotle’s lead that forms are inherent in the actual world, not in some separate realm.
Your appeal to symbols continues to concern me. Whitehead has a chapter on Symbolic Reference, but that is developed on the basis of a prior understanding of eternal objects and actual occasions and is contrasted from the start from “The pure mode of presentational immediacy…” (p.168) involved among them in their primary relations. Whitehead does have a theory of semiotics here, but it is built on his ontology, which is prior, so you cannot properly understand eternal objects in terms of his semiotics. Consequently, it seems you are trying to turn Whitehead on his head. Keep in mind that actual occasions are far below the level even of fundamental particles in physics, and therefore it seems to me that the eternal objects embodying their potentialities would be difficult even for particle physicists to describe or symbolize according to the current level of the science.
I do not see the agreement between Peirce and Whitehead in their ontologies at all – and certainly not their aims. I understand Whitehead in Process and Reality as elucidating the hints he dropped in Science and the Modern World, where as I recall the overall argument is that a process ontology can better accommodate the new developments in quantum and relativity theory than traditional ontologies. That is clearly not an aim that Peirce could have had, so any alleged agreement between Peirce and Whitehead is something that needs to be demonstrated, not assumed, and that must be demonstrated on the basis of an understanding of Whitehead’s ontology that does not presuppose it.
Mark Ressler
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Hi Greg,
Thank you for your detailed answer.
You pointed out my mistake: I thought we have a kind of data modeling schema.
Now I am looking at your diagram as a graph representation of some statements, sentences of Whitehead's text.
The topic requires a good knowledge of the text. Which I do not possess.
Best regards,
Alex
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No, I do not have a citation for my alignment of Whitehead with Aristotle. It has been many years since I engaged with Whitehead, and I do not have sufficient time now to research it. The quotation you cite on p. 96 only addresses the agreement between Plato and Aristotle concerning the impact of Forms in the actual world, not their disagreement with regard to Forms themselves. For Whitehead, I revert back to his discussions in Science and the Modern World, where if the notion of eternal objects are to support the sciences of quantum and relativity physics, then they must be the ultimate grounds for the laws of nature, and therefore they must be fully inherent in the fabric of this world, not established in their perfection in some other realm whereby actual things in this world can only participate in them to some extent or another.
I mean “ontologies” with regard to both Peirce and Whitehead. Both of them refer to systems of categories, as does Aristotle, and categories are fundamental divisions of ontologies. This is an ontology forum, after all, not a graph theory forum. That ontologies can be expressed in graphs is an added bonus for certain purposes.
It is not merely the word “symbol” that bothers me in your presentation, but the presentation of eternal objects as something different than nodes. That is why I recommended thinking of actual occasions and eternal objects in terms of two inter-related graphs, each complete graphs in themselves, and complete in their unions. Where a nexus is recognized, a graph of nodes can be invoked, and there are nexuses among eternal objects as well as among actual occasions. The difference is not only between the types of nodes, but also the types of relations between them. Ingresses between eternal objects and actual occasions are different from ingresses between actual occasions and other actual occasions, and the relations among eternal objects themselves are different from both of these kinds of ingresses.
Mark Ressler
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