OntoLog: The Unified Intelligence Paradigm That Experts and Entrepreneurs Can’t Ignore

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Jack Park

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Sep 4, 2025, 1:45:21 PM (8 days ago) Sep 4
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John F Sowa

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Jack,

Thanks for the reference.  I suggest that everybody click on the link for an overview.  My only comment is that the approach and methodology are not new, I've been writing books and articles about related methods for the past 40+ years.  Other AI projects have also been working on related methods.  The Cyc project by Doug Lenat is an example.

Our VivoMind company had developed an excellent version from 2000 to 2010.  And our new Permion Inc. company has developed a neurosymbolic hybrid that combines the VivoMind features with LLMs for better translations to and from natural languages and other representations.

Summary:  The approach is good, but it's not unique.  But I have not yet looked into the details beyond the link below.

John

PS:  If he's putting it on github, that means he is not making any money with it.  Good news:  You can play with it for free.  Bad news:  You won't make any money either.
 


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Jack Park

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Sep 4, 2025, 3:41:18 PM (8 days ago) Sep 4
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He estimates ~2 months before github.
I'm going to burn some bridges here, but it appears to me that he anchors his architecture in SemWeb technology, which is not on my critical path.  Still, hybrid architectures are a solid way forward.

-Jack

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John F Sowa

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Sep 4, 2025, 4:17:45 PM (8 days ago) Sep 4
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Jack,

Hybrid technologies are indeed the way forward, but as in biology, the number of kinds of hybrids is limitless. Simplest and most general solution:  Support all and any kind of hybrid in a very general foundation.

Jack: he anchors his architecture in SemWeb technology, which is not on my critical path.

Tim B-L's 2000 proposal for the Semantic Web was very powerful and general.   Unfortunately, it got hijacked by the decidability gang.  What came out in 2005 was a weak version of what could have been far more valuable.

For a survey of the issues, see the IKRIS project and other related versions:  https://jfsowa.com/ikl .

Arun Majumdar and I were both working on the IKRIS project, and our VivoMind and Permion companies built on what could have and should have been the product of a truly innovative Semantic Web project.

Two things killed it:  (1) the decidability gang, and (2) a funding cut by Congress in 2006.

John

PS:  I am totally horrified by the current slash and burn cuts.  They're saving millions of $$$ by cutting projects that are worth billions -- or trillions in the long run.

All our Internet and satellite communications today are based on a wild idea that somebody might have killed to save a few bucks.  Nobody knows what has been killed in just the past few months.


 


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Alex Shkotin

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Sep 5, 2025, 6:01:53 AM (7 days ago) Sep 5
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Jack,

Good news about another formal logic language (YAFOLL) to ask the main questions: 
How do you represent theoretical knowledge? 
How do you represent a structure that is a model of that theory? 
How do you connect that structure to reality?

And it's great that it's coming to GitHub!

Alex

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