Liberal / NDP coalition looking better than ever
su...@hate2010.games
If ever there was a time for the Liberals and the NDP to put aside their smaller
differences for the larger good, this is it. Harper's government has to be made gone.
And if the vote-splitting continues between Liberals, NDP and Greens, he will become the
'ruler' once again.
Do it. Form the coalition and tell us why you KNOW it will make Canada a better place to
live than under Harper's reign.
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Thursday, February 4, 2010 10:40 AM
Seat projections raise possibility of Liberal-NDP coalition
A Liberal-NDP coalition government is beginning to look like a possibility, given new seat
projections from EKOS pollster Frank Graves.
In his latest model, the Liberals would win 122 seats while the New Democrats would take
31. Together, the two parties would have 153 seats - just shy of a majority government in
the 308-seat House of Commons.
The Conservatives, meanwhile, would win only 109 seats compared to the 145 seats they have
now. The Liberals currently have 77 seats.
As well, Mr. Graves's projections - based on the results of his poll of 3,406 Canadians
surveyed between Jan. 27 and Feb. 2 - gives the Bloc 45 seats, the Greens come up empty
and there is one "other" seat, that could be won by an independent in Quebec.
The idea of a coalition fits with recent Tory spin. Indeed, Conservative strategists and
officials have been talking about a new coalition forming between the Liberals and NDP as
Michael Ignatieff and Jack Layton plot a strategy to limit Prime Minister Stephen Harper's
power to prorogue.
Canadians reacted violently to the idea of a coalition government in late 2008. That
coalition would have seen the Liberals leading with the NDP being given several positions
in the cabinet. Mr. Harper prorogued Parliament then to avoid a confidence vote, and the
idea of a coalition died with the shutdown.
However, Mr. Graves says Canadians at the time were not as opposed to a Liberal/NDP
government as they were to then-Liberal leader St�phane Dion leading it. Canadians had
voted decidedly against Mr. Dion in the general election of Oct. 2008; they didn't want to
see him as prime minister two months later.
When it became possible that Mr. Dion could take office, the public reacted with outrage,
seeing a bit of "chicanery and manipulation" that was viewed as anti-democratic.
But Mr. Graves says when he went back to poll again in January of 2009, when Mr. Dion was
out as the Liberal leader, he found the public wasn't that averse to a coalition
government.
Meanwhile, his latest poll has the Liberals and Conservatives in a virtual tie for the
third consecutive week. And he believes election buzz will start to increase as the
Liberal numbers appear to be solid instead of a temporary aberration.
He says the Liberals have been rising - albeit at a "glacial pace" - as the public becomes
more comfortable with leader Michael Ignatieff. But don't get carried away, he says, as
there is no "Iggy-mania" - just a little bit of evidence Canadians are now giving the
Liberal Leader a second look.
As for Mr. Harper, Mr. Graves characterizes him as the "Swiss Army knife of government"
who does everything. The problem with being so in control, though, is that the
Conservatives then fail or win "on his fortunes." And he says these last few months have
had a "direct and corrosive impact on his reputation."
Robert MacKenzie
<su...@hate2010.games> wrote in message
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>
>
> If ever there was a time for the Liberals and the NDP to put aside their
> smaller differences for the larger good, this is it. Harper's government
> has to be made gone. And if the vote-splitting continues between Liberals,
> NDP and Greens, he will become the 'ruler' once again.
>
> Do it. Form the coalition and tell us why you KNOW it will make Canada a
> better place to live than under Harper's reign.
With the big egos in both the NDP and Liberals, it would never happen. The
NDP will want
cabinet posts in Labour, Human Resources and mulitculutralism, and there
will be a clash
between the right wing Liberals and the left wingie elements of the NDP.
As for such a thing making Canada a better place to live, won't happen
either.
Only way to defeat the Conservatives is for a Liberal majority.
Good luck in getting that to happen.
Liberals are vermin
> If ever there was a time for the Liberals and the NDP to put aside their smaller
> differences for the larger good, this is it. Harper's government has to be made gone.
> And if the vote-splitting continues between Liberals, NDP and Greens, he will become the
> 'ruler' once again.
>
Harper has been the best P.M. in decades. Canadians know this. The
only people who'll vote for that cabal of evil (Lib-NDP) will be some
died-in-the-wool libs and slimy leftists. No matter HOW much the
promise in bribes to immigrants and the like.
The Doctor
Liberals are vermin <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 6, 9:12=A0pm, <s...@hate2010.games> wrote:
>> If ever there was a time for the Liberals and the NDP to put aside their =
>smaller
>> differences for the larger good, this is it. =A0Harper's government has t=
>o be made gone.
>> And if the vote-splitting continues between Liberals, NDP and Greens, he =
>will become the
>> 'ruler' once again.
>>
>
>Harper has been the best P.M. in decades. Canadians know this. The
>only people who'll vote for that cabal of evil (Lib-NDP) will be some
>died-in-the-wool libs and slimy leftists. No matter HOW much the
>promise in bribes to immigrants and the like.
Harper is a dishonest conniving snake!
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> In article
> <79ae4fb2-7d11-4022...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> Liberals are vermin <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Feb 6, 9:12=A0pm, <s...@hate2010.games> wrote:
>>> If ever there was a time for the Liberals and the NDP to put aside their
>>> =
>>smaller
>>> differences for the larger good, this is it. =A0Harper's government has
>>> t=
>>o be made gone.
>>> And if the vote-splitting continues between Liberals, NDP and Greens, he
>>> =
>>will become the
>>> 'ruler' once again.
>>>
>>
>>Harper has been the best P.M. in decades. Canadians know this. The
>>only people who'll vote for that cabal of evil (Lib-NDP) will be some
>>died-in-the-wool libs and slimy leftists. No matter HOW much the
>>promise in bribes to immigrants and the like.
>
> Harper is a dishonest conniving snake!
Yeah? Well so was Chretien. Remember Adscam?
Sanity
"Robert MacKenzie" <rm...@yatestownbc.com> wrote in message
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.......Canada has preformed relatively well, in a global context, during
these tough times. Canadians will remember this at election time and reward
the Cons with a majority.
The Doctor
Like Harper shutting whistle blowers.
Robert MacKenzie
Like whistleblowers existed in the Chretien government, eh?
The Doctor
You are insane and seriuosly deluded to believe that.
The Doctor
And Harper fire fires and intimidates whistleblowers! FACT!!
Canuck57
I see the liberal vermin are out of the closit today.
Canuck57
Hey, all of Ottawa is corrupt to the core. Now liberals import count
Iggy from Harvard, USA and UK is his country too.... Iggy is probably
fellow Harvard buddy Obama's hench man to mess up Canada in the name of
Islam.
And Dion, can't speak english any better than a 5 year old. When are
liberals going to find a real leader that isn't a pocket boy?
Canuck57
The thing about Chretien is he was unfit either way you look at it.
If he was in on adscam, then he is corupt.
If he didn't know what was going on all around him, then he is an unfit
bumbling ass hole.
Liberals need to know, liberals are crappy leaders. Too greedy and
undiciplined. But certianly corruptable enough for Ottawa.
Canuck57
You should cite Mulroney, cash unde rthe table is a better example.
But still, does not compare to the decades of broken liberal promises.
The waste, insatiable big fat inept government. Had lots of time to
change it and not one liberal idiot did.
People should write off liberals, crash the party. The Canadian Liberal
name has too much stench on it.
simplicity
>
> Like Harper shutting whistle blowers.
Hasn't shut you yet? What a terrible oversight!!
The Doctor
simplicity <stella...@live.ca> wrote:
>On Feb 7, 4:59=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> Like Harper shutting whistle blowers.
>
>Hasn't shut you yet? What a terrible oversight!!
MY!! my!!
Winston
All I remember is balanced budgets and a surplus with Chretien, but I
guess Adscam affects every Canadians' pocket book so we should be so
righteous in a time of dearth.
The Doctor
Good one Winston esp with deficit Steve Harper at the helm.
su...@hate2010.games
When you think about it, we ALREADY have a coalition government of sorts going on in
Canada: Harper is not trusted by the people of Canada with a majority. The other two
major Opposition parties, excluding the Bloc, have time and again blocked or had modified,
some of Harper's more odious policies and bills - whether by votes in the House, by
private negotiation in exchange for budget support, or in the Senate. That's exactly how
a Coalition government would work: lots of input into Bills and budget policies - from
other than just one Party.
So if Canadians are using Opposition parties to keep Harper 'in check' now, why the hell
should we be afraid of the Liberals and NDP forming a coalition to keep ALL parties in
check?
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Other countries with Coaltion governments:
Nordic countries, Austria, Benelux countries, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Turkey,
Israel, New Zealand, Kosovo, Pakistan, Kenya, and India. Switzerland has been ruled by a
coalition of the four strongest parties in parliament from 1959 to 2008, called the "Magic
Formula."
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Canuck57
> When you think about it, we ALREADY have a coalition government of sorts going on in
> Canada: Harper is not trusted by the people of Canada with a majority. The other two
> major Opposition parties, excluding the Bloc, have time and again blocked or had modified,
> some of Harper's more odious policies and bills - whether by votes in the House, by
> private negotiation in exchange for budget support, or in the Senate. That's exactly how
> a Coalition government would work: lots of input into Bills and budget policies - from
> other than just one Party.
>
> So if Canadians are using Opposition parties to keep Harper 'in check' now, why the hell
> should we be afraid of the Liberals and NDP forming a coalition to keep ALL parties in
> check?
Depends, are they going to BRIBE the Bloc for support like they did before?
And if they didn't bribe the Bloc, they are short of seats.
Save the coupe d'etat for Venezuela, we are not quite that far down the
rabbit hole.
Time for an election. Nice summer weather coming up, sure beats the
fridgid cold.
Robert MacKenzie
FACT!! So did Chretein!
Alli...@trash.can
>> When you think about it, we ALREADY have a coalition government of sorts going on in
>> Canada: Harper is not trusted by the people of Canada with a majority. The other two
>> major Opposition parties, excluding the Bloc, have time and again blocked or had
>> modified,
>> some of Harper's more odious policies and bills - whether by votes in the House, by
>> private negotiation in exchange for budget support, or in the Senate. That's exactly
>> how
>> a Coalition government would work: lots of input into Bills and budget policies - from
>> other than just one Party.
>>
>> So if Canadians are using Opposition parties to keep Harper 'in check' now, why the
>> hell
>> should we be afraid of the Liberals and NDP forming a coalition to keep ALL parties in
>> check?
"Canuck57" <Canu...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:MVIcn.19230$5n....@newsfe23.iad...
> Depends, are they going to BRIBE the Bloc for support like they did before?
>
> And if they didn't bribe the Bloc, they are short of seats.
You're talking if they took control of government right now. If they wait for the general
election and form a coalition of just Liberals, NDP and Greens, they'd take more votes
than the Conservatives could ever hope to win. The Bloc would not even be a factor.
> Save the coupe d'etat for Venezuela, we are not quite that far down the rabbit hole.
>
> Time for an election. Nice summer weather coming up, sure beats the fridgid cold.
That's the thing that SOME Canadians - like you - seem to have difficulty realizing -
Canada is one of the FEWER countries that DON'T have coalition governments. The others,
especially the more civilized ones, have been running their governments with
representation by ALL the major parties. In Canada that would be the Liberals, NDP and
Greens. The Bloc would not be necessary, nor should they be part of the coalition because
Duceppe and every leader before him has told Canada 'we're only interested in what's good
for Quebec'. Now it's time for Canadians to say: 'We're only interested in what is good
for Canada' - and that surely is not a minority government the likes of the Conservatives
under Harper.
simplicity
> representation by ALL the major parties. In Canada that would be the Liberals, NDP and
> Greens.
Greens? Major party? You must be under influence.
> The Bloc would not be necessary, nor should they be part of the coalition because
> Duceppe and every leader before him has told Canada 'we're only interested in what's good
> for Quebec'.
Oh, that's even better. Greens are OK but screw Quebec?
Is this the example of liberal mind at work? Or is it just a trash, as
the author's address suggests?
Alli...@trash.can
On 11 Lut, 13:15, <Allie...@trash.can> wrote:
> representation by ALL the major parties. In Canada that would be the Liberals, NDP and
> Greens.
> Duceppe and every leader before him has told Canada 'we're only interested in what's
> good
> for Quebec'.
"simplicity" <stella...@live.ca> wrote in message
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Greens? Major party? You must be under influence.
Oh, that's even better. Greens are OK but screw Quebec?
Is this the example of liberal mind at work? Or is it just a trash, as
the author's address suggests?
No, sweetums - it's about getting a coalition of parties that care about working for the
entire country, including Quebec, but excluding the single party that cares nothing about
the rest of Canada. Get it?