Pure bred vs. cross bred dogs
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>People should be wary of buying pure bred dogs. Some breeds are so
>popular, that many breeders operate what are best described as puppy
>mills, with wide-spread in-breeding, to satisfy consumer demand. As a
>result more and pure bred dogs have built-in genetic defects that
>eventually result in serious health problems.
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>We were lucky with our pure bred dog. The breeder was honest and totally
>ethical -- he even satisfied himself that our family was a suitable
>destination for one of his dogs and he kept all pups until they were 12
>to 13 weeks old so they could learn to be dogs as part of their pack.
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>If I was in the market for another dog, I would go for a cross-breed to
>avoid the horrible health problems that are now rampant in pure breds.
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>John D.
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The bad news - cross bred puppies are almost never from stock
tested for genetic disease - it exists, you just won't know it unless
your puppy is badly affected. As they have little economic value
they will have low end puppy care (shots, worm medicines) just
like puppy mill puppies.
The good news - many pure breds are carefully bred (I know,
I've done it for 20 years!) and are more likely to be sound than
randomly bred puppies (pure or crossed). Get a good contract, with
clauses that stipulate $$ back if something goes wrong (severe genetic
health problems, no registration papers, etc.) and you may recover
something from the courts.
Be aware that AKC is NOT an organization with a bunch of
legal power to get money back from a bad breeder, just
an organization that keeps track of which dog sired which puppy
and can only be as good as its breeders. It does its best to check up
on many thousands of people a year and really only can unregister
puppies if they are improperly registered. It can and will deny
privileges to people caught cheating (or convicted of abuse to animals)
and will fine them, but it is up to the consumer to keep track and
turn them in. I would say that my experience in following the actions
of AKC is that they are much more aggresive in backing up thier rules
than the CKC seems to be. Neither one of these groups has any
power to pass laws, only club regulations.
Even people (who are generally outcrossed in pedigree) have many
terrible genetic diseases - I don't know any person whose health record
that I have access to that I would find suitable for my breeding program!
(Even me...) You just have to be careful and think a lot about a puppy.
Carol D.
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Kerri Kadow
breeds wouldn't be around today. If people started sending out messages to
never buy a cross-bred dog, many breeds might havewiped out when they were just
being made. I'm not supporting random or mass breeding of dogs, but the
serious, carefully thought-out crossing of two or more breeds.
-KnightWolf
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Cindy Tittle Moore
>>>If I was in the market for another dog, I would go for a cross-breed to
>>>avoid the horrible health problems that are now rampant in pure breds.
>The first dog I ever got on my own was a Chow Chow/Australian Shepherd
>mix. She had parvo and distemper shortly after I brought her home. She
>was diagnosed with severe food allergies and atopic dermatitis. She
>has luxating patellas and bilateral hip dysplasia.
Don't forget, too, that if you are looking at an adult mix, you've
already weeded out, in many cases, the really big problems. That's
another factor. Another good group are adult purebred rescues.
Again, any pups with severe health problems are already dead by this
point and not available for adoption.
Puppies are more risky than adults since you do not yet know what will
happen. Haphazardly bred puppies are much more risk than carefully bred
puppies. And this applies whether the pups are mixed or purebred. It's
just that mixed puppies are rarely carefully planned.
--Cindy
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Christie Keith
>>If I was in the market for another dog, I would go for a cross-breed to
>>avoid the horrible health problems that are now rampant in pure breds.
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The first dog I ever got on my own was a Chow Chow/Australian Shepherd
mix. She had parvo and distemper shortly after I brought her home. She
was diagnosed with severe food allergies and atopic dermatitis. She
has luxating patellas and bilateral hip dysplasia.
I love Colleen, and she has been my most beloved companion. She is
kept comfortable on a special diet and with acupuncture. She is a
canine good citizen and obedience trained. I figure over the years she
cost me over $10,000 in vet bills.
By contrast, none of my Scottish Deerhounds, who were carefully bred
for health as well as conformation, either by me or by breeders I
trust, has ever had a serious illness or condition. Other than
injuries (arghhhhhh) and one litter wherein a few got parvo, they in
fact don't seem to ever need to go to the vet.....
Of course, I also have another mix (Chesapeake Bay Retriever/
Australian Cattle Dog) who is the healthiest, most vigorous,
undauntable little thing you could imagine.
It goes to show, you never can tell. The point someone made that cross
bred dogs have never been checked for genetic problems is 100% true...
and you have no way of knowing what kind of stock they come from... :(
At least with a really responsible breeder you can make an educated
evaluation of the health you might encounter.
--
Christie Keith
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I have been raising, showing and breeding purebred dogs for 20 years.
There are specific reasons we purebreed. The most noticeable of the
reasons is temperament, temperament, temperament. Cross bred dogs are not
predictable in temperament or health. When you choose the puppy not a
soul can tell which breed involved in these multiple breedings is going to
dominate as an adult. I breed standard Collies and Bichon Frises, "the
family pet" and I watch carefully the lines and test parents for CERF/OFA
etc...as a reputable, credible breeder I can tell them approximately the
stages of development, chewing, potty training etc. and when they can
logically expect the stages to occur and leave. I can tell you that the
mother (dam) was kept on a superior diet, had all current shots and was on
heartworm medication every month from frozen ground to frozen ground in
Minnesota. I could not nor could anyone else tell you those answers on a
cross-bred puppy. Will it bit/fear bite, how aggresive will it be, how
much barking will it do, etc...no one knows. I regularly tell people who
call me about my puppies that if they can deal with the unknown in
temperatment and health, please buy a puppy from the humane society as we
have too many dogs and cats needing good homes today. The majority of the
people calling do not want to deal with the unknown factors, possible high
veterinarian bills, possible law suits from biting/agressive/untrainable
dogs.
Please take my advice and buy your puppy from a credible/reputable breeder
who tells you everything about the breed upfront. Do not buy puppies from
pet stores, as those puppies are generally taken away from their dam at 6
weeks of age whether their teeth are in, they are eating good, or not to
say nothing of the nurturing from mom that takes place between 6-9 weeks
of age depending on size of breed and their personal habits. Some moms
wein puppies at 6-7 weeks of age and will have nothing more to do with
them, others will nurture until the day they leave for a new home.
Patty Griffin
shelter. Look at the number of unwanted dogs. Do you know what happens to
all those dogs. They are put to death just like the concentration camps
in Germany.
It is hard enough to breed out health and temperament problems with prue
breds when you know exactly what you are dealing with, ie. hands on
knowledge of every dog on a 5 generation pedigree.
I have bred show quality dogs (Pomeranians) for 10 years. My purpose is
to ensure that the next generation is an improvement on the present ones.
Just because you have a dog that you love and in your eyes is perfect is
no excuse to breed it. I have an Austrailian Shepard that I love dearly.
He is pure bred and from a show line, but he is NOT breeding quality.
Under no circumstance would I use him for stud.
On the other hand, I have a Champion Pom Stud, that is line bred and
reproduces himself reguardless of what he is bred to. He has been the top
producing stud in the National Breed club two years. Again, under no
circumstance would I allow him to be used on a bitch that I didn't feel
was up to the breed standard or that would match him genetically.
Patty Griffin
Merrrymont Pomeranians
Fancy Gap, Va
PErcoli
Davide Gre'
Patty Griffin <pgri...@mail.tcia.net> wrote:
>Before you even consider cross breeding any dog, visit the local animal
>shelter. Look at the number of unwanted dogs. Do you know what happens to
>all those dogs. They are put to death just like the concentration camps
>in Germany.
Just to say that this is not true all over the world.
For example in Italy there is a law tath prohibites the killing of the
unwanted dogs.
But the discussion here is open, 'cause who can say that keeping a dog
for 4 years in a crate is better than kill him without pain ?
Many dogs die for loneliness and sorrow which is much more worse.
Ciao.
Gre'
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Davide Gre' wrote:
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> Patty Griffin <pgri...@mail.tcia.net> wrote:
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> >Before you even consider cross breeding any dog, visit the local animal
> >shelter. Look at the number of unwanted dogs. Do you know what happens to
> >all those dogs. They are put to death just like the concentration camps
> >in Germany.
>
> Just to say that this is not true all over the world.
> For example in Italy there is a law tath prohibites the killing of the
> unwanted dogs.
> But the discussion here is open, 'cause who can say that keeping a dog
> for 4 years in a crate is better than kill him without pain ?
> Many dogs die for loneliness and sorrow which is much more worse.
>
> Ciao.
> Gre'
> ^^^^^^
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purebreds. Any breeding should be done with responsibility and attention
to physical as well as mental health, if it is to be done at all.
Dr. Dolittle