Conrad Black supports Reform Party
Steve Ranta
Those Reformers who complain about the 'left-wing' media should note that
while CBC already gives Preston good coverage, they can expect even better
coverage from most of Canada's daily newspapers, as Black is one of the
larger donors to the Reform Party.
--
Steve Ranta
Dave Diduck
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:34:10 +0800, sra...@macwest.org (Steve Ranta)
wrote:
I just knew I was in good company. Here I was worried that Ranta,
Zunti, Jason Kodish, Reilley, smelser et al were party ,embers and I
would have to tear up my card.
Long Live Conrad Black!!!
Cheers
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Dave Diduck
1123 Fort St
Regina Sk S4T 5R9
Ph 306-543-3999
or 306-949-8359
Visit my web page: <http://www.sasknet.com/~didue>
Phil Garnett
sra...@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) wrote:
>Those Reformers who complain about the 'left-wing' media should note that
>while CBC already gives Preston good coverage, they can expect even better
>coverage from most of Canada's daily newspapers, as Black is one of the
>larger donors to the Reform Party.
>
>
conservative and Reform is Canada's only federal conservative party.
However, there are two excellent provincial conservative parties,
Klein's in Alberta and Harris' in Ontario.
>Steve Ranta
Georges Skorpios
In article <553m88$9...@news1.sympatico.ca>,
chronic economic problems of high unemployment, falling incomes, confiscatory
taxation, dismal consumer confidence, unprecedented government and consumer
debt, depressed real estate values and a general national malaise.
Chretien is yesterday's man. He failed Canada along with Turdeau back in
the 1960s and '70s and he is failing us again. Preston Manning's "Fresh
Start" program with spending cuts of $15 billion, massive privatizations and
tax cuts can do for the Canadian economy what the Republicans, going back to
Reagan, did for the American economy. English Canadians must vote Reform in
the next federal election. It is the only option for the flawed and failed
socialist status quo that has plagued Canada now for a generation.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the only one that
matters is mine. --Georges Skorpios
Dan Anderson
On Sun, 10 Nov 96 16:45:20 GMT, gi...@interlog.com (Georges Skorpios)
wrote:
> Chretien is yesterday's man. He failed Canada along with Turdeau back in
> the 1960s and '70s and he is failing us again. Preston Manning's "Fresh
> Start" program with spending cuts of $15 billion, massive privatizations and
> tax cuts can do for the Canadian economy what the Republicans, going back to
> Reagan, did for the American economy. English Canadians must vote Reform in
What Reagan did for the Yank economy? You liked his ability to run
record DEFICITS? You like his VOODOO economics? Which, by the way, did
not work, and that includes the fallacy of trickle-down.
You're either senile or ignorant, perhaps both, considering your
rantings for the bigotted, racist, narrow-minded Reform party, which
only has 12% support,
> the next federal election. It is the only option for the flawed and failed
> socialist status quo that has plagued Canada now for a generation.
>
>
>
>Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the only one that
>matters is mine. --Georges Skorpios
This is the statement which makes everybody laugh at you John, Bruce,
George, whatever ALIAS you want your split personality to be known as.
bochum26
Dan Anderson <rep...@islandnet.com> wrote in article
<328776f5...@news.islandnet.com>...
> You're either senile or ignorant, perhaps both, considering your
> rantings for the bigotted, racist, narrow-minded Reform party,
> >
>
My guess is that the real racist, bigotted person here is Dan Anderson.
Making ridiculous claims about the reform party, just because you dislike
their policies is typical of extremists like yourself. Remember this is a
democracy, for everyone, not just yourself and your statement above is
about as narrow minded as any neo-nazi.
David Reilley
In article <328776f5...@news.islandnet.com> rep...@islandnet.com (Dan Anderson) writes:
>John Lambourn, using the fake name (Georges Skorpios) wrote:
>>Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the only one that
>>matters is mine. --Georges Skorpios
>This is the statement which makes everybody laugh at you John, Bruce,
>George
Well -- this and a few others.
(Maybe it's time to go into Deja News and dig out his "Top Dog" essay for a
reprint.)
David Reilley
>John Lambourn, hiding behind the fake name (Georges Skorpios) wrote:
>> Chretien is yesterday's man. He failed Canada along with Turdeau back in
>> the 1960s and '70s and he is failing us again. Preston Manning's "Fresh
>> Start" program with spending cuts of $15 billion, massive privatizations and
>> tax cuts can do for the Canadian economy what the Republicans, going back to
>> Reagan, did for the American economy. English Canadians must vote Reform in
>What Reagan did for the Yank economy? You liked his ability to run
>record DEFICITS? You like his VOODOO economics? Which, by the way, did
>not work, and that includes the fallacy of trickle-down.
Lambourn's theory is that Reagan deliberately bankrupt the US government so
it could no longer afford "socialist" programs (like school breakfasts for
children from poor households). Or, in the words of Pee-Wee Herman when he
fell off his bicycle, "I MEANT to do that!."
(Lambourn is to the right what the campus Maoists were to the Canadian left --
out of touch with reality and a political liability.)
Steve Ranta
In article <dreilley.40...@pinc.com>, drei...@pinc.com (David
Reilley) wrote:
. . .
> it could no longer afford "socialist" programs (like school breakfasts for
I think Lambourn is right on this issue, and it didn't just happen in the U.S.
Notice how the defecit hysteria is constantly used as an excuse for
privatising or eliminating government services, to the benefit of
corporations.
--
Steve Ranta
Steve Ranta
In article <564sp6$3...@news.interlog.com>, gi...@interlog.com (Georges
Skorpios) wrote:
. . .
>Reform is the only federal party in Ottawa with a solution to Canada's
> chronic economic problems of high unemployment, falling incomes, confiscatory
> taxation, dismal consumer confidence, unprecedented government and consumer
> debt, depressed real estate values and a general national malaise.
>
Since when did Reform start calling for the abrogation of NAFTA?
--
Steve Ranta
Dave Anderson
sra...@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) wrote:
>Notice how the defecit hysteria is constantly used as an excuse for
>privatising or eliminating government services, to the benefit of
>corporations.
People make up governments, people make up companies and corporations.
Blame anyone but yourself.
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Socialism:
"You make more money than I think you should. Gimme!"
Steve Ranta
In article <328bc5c3...@news.execpc.com>, dand...@execpc.com (Dave
Anderson) wrote:
> sra...@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) wrote:
>
> >Notice how the defecit hysteria is constantly used as an excuse for
> >privatising or eliminating government services, to the benefit of
> >corporations.
>
> People make up governments, people make up companies and corporations.
. . .
Yes, and people should be the only ones who can participate in the
political process. The domination of campaign funding and advertising by
corporate money destroy democracy.
--
Steve Ranta
Karl Pollak
sra...@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) wrote:
>Yes, and people should be the only ones who can participate in the
>political process. The domination of campaign funding and advertising by
>corporate money destroy democracy.
Especially if your particular party is unable to raise funds that way
.. :-)
Karl Pollak <kpo...@portal.ca>
Richmond, British Columbia
John Carrick
gi...@interlog.com (Georges Skorpios) wrote:
>>>Why shouldn't Conrad Black support the Reform Party? Black is a
>> conservative and Reform is Canada's only federal conservative party.
>> However, there are two excellent provincial conservative parties,
>> Klein's in Alberta and Harris' in Ontario.
Er......no. There are several conservative parties in Canada. One of
them is the Liberal Party in power in Ottawa now. Others call
themselves "Liberal" or "P.C." and are in power in a number of the
provinces.
What you are talking about is *neo-conservatism* - a movement that
has as its guiding principle destroying the traditional Canadian
social system with its concern for the underclass, and replacing it
with a society that functions for the benefit of the well-to-do.
>>Reform is the only federal party in Ottawa with a solution to Canada's
> chronic economic problems of high unemployment, falling incomes, confiscatory
> taxation, dismal consumer confidence, unprecedented government and consumer
> debt, depressed real estate values and a general national malaise.
That is subjective thinking and quite foolish into the bargain.
I'll bet you think that your convictions equate with the Truth, don't
you?
[1] Reform can have no more influence on poor employment and income
levels than any other party. That is because they are not
problems that are made in Canada, but are a consequence of the
Global Economy.
Do you not know that the Mulroney and Chretien governments have
been doing their damnedest for years with little success? What
tools would Preston Manning have at his disposal that are denied
to them? This is possibly the silliest claim that you make for
Reform. To say that Manning could decrease unemploy-
ment and raise wages upon taking office is about as sensible
as saying he could eed us all with a few loaves and fishes! You
appear to think that he is Christ re-incarnate!
[2] Canadian taxation levels are not anywhere close to being
"confiscatory". Certainly they are not anywhere sufficient to
pay for the goods and services being purchased by governments on
behalf of the people; otherwise, there would be no annual debts.
You appear to be someone who lives in a dream world where all of
your earnings can be attributed to your wit and effort. Well,
the news is that you owe virtually *all* of your financial
success to the fact that you are functioning in a community.
Many of us acknowledge our debt to the society in which we
are able to prosper, and do not expect to have others pay our
way. Take your bleating about taxes into a selfish corner,
please.
[3] Government and consumer debt, accompanied by low consumer
confidence have resulted from a number of factors, none of which
Preston Manning could possibly influence.
a) The Candian economy has been buffeted by changes in
the world economy, plus the negative impact of
free trade with the U.S. and N.A.F.T.A.
b) In large numbers Canadian voters vote for their personal
short term interests - I'm *CERTAIN* that you do.
That means that candidates for office, unless they want
to face defeat, must promise short term prosperity, ignor-
ing the long term needs of the province or nation.
Manning must deal with the same selfish, short-sighted
electorate that every other politician faces.
[4] Depressed real estate values are hardly a problem for the
hundreds of thousands of Canadians who live below the poverty
line. I don't imagine such people are constantly in your
thoughts however.
[5] The "general national malaise" that you speak of is a reflection
of a nationwide problem - people like yourself wanting to feel
good without having to be good.
One of the best things that could happen to Canada would be
to have all neo-consrvatives crawl up each others'
assholes.
Dave Diduck
On 18 Nov 1996 20:53:33 GMT, crs...@inforamp.net (John Carrick)
wrote:
> One of the best things that could happen to Canada would be
> to have all neo-consrvatives crawl up each others'
> assholes.
>
You really mean that we should leave the fate of our country with the
dregs of the political left like yourself.
David Reilley
In article <56qicd$b...@news.inforamp.net> crs...@inforamp.net (John Carrick) writes:
>John Lambourn, using the fake name gi...@interlog.com (Georges Skorpios)
wrote:
>>>>Why shouldn't Conrad Black support the Reform Party? Black is a
>>> conservative and Reform is Canada's only federal conservative party.
>>> However, there are two excellent provincial conservative parties,
>>> Klein's in Alberta and Harris' in Ontario.
<lots snipped>
>[5] The "general national malaise" that you speak of is a reflection
> of a nationwide problem - people like yourself wanting to feel
> good without having to be good.
>
> One of the best things that could happen to Canada would be
> to have all neo-consrvatives crawl up each others'
> assholes.
Mr. Lambourn has been living up inside David Sommerville's arsehole for years.
(For two week every summer he holidays up David Frum.)
Roy Langston
In article <56qicd$b...@news.inforamp.net>, crs...@inforamp.net (John
Carrick) wrote:
> What you are talking about is *neo-conservatism* - a movement that
> has as its guiding principle destroying the traditional Canadian
> social system with its concern for the underclass,
This "tradition" actually dates only from the 1960s...
> and replacing it
> with a society that functions for the benefit of the well-to-do.
And most everyone else...
> [1] Reform can have no more influence on poor employment and income
> levels than any other party. That is because they are not
> problems that are made in Canada, but are a consequence of the
> Global Economy.
Which I suppose is why globally, the USA, Japan, and other low-income tax
countries have half or less Canada's unemployment rate.
> Do you not know that the Mulroney and Chretien governments have
> been doing their damnedest for years with little success?
Doing their damnedest to make the problem worse, you mean...
> What
> tools would Preston Manning have at his disposal that are denied
> to them?
A functioning brain?
> This is possibly the silliest claim that you make for
> Reform. To say that Manning could decrease unemploy-
> ment and raise wages upon taking office is about as sensible
> as saying he could eed us all with a few loaves and fishes! You
> appear to think that he is Christ re-incarnate!
>
> [2] Canadian taxation levels are not anywhere close to being
> "confiscatory".
Anything over a 50% total marginal rate _automatically_ qualifies as close
to confiscatory, being closer to 100% than to 0%.
> You appear to be someone who lives in a dream world where all of
> your earnings can be attributed to your wit and effort. Well,
> the news is that you owe virtually *all* of your financial
> success to the fact that you are functioning in a community.
>
> Many of us acknowledge our debt to the society in which we
> are able to prosper, and do not expect to have others pay our
> way. Take your bleating about taxes into a selfish corner,
> please.
Reform recognizes the producer's debt to society. Unlike you, though, we
also recognize society's debt to the producer.
-- Roy Langston
Dave Anderson
crs...@inforamp.net (John Carrick) wrote:
>Er......no. There are several conservative parties in Canada. One of
>them is the Liberal Party in power in Ottawa now. Others call
>themselves "Liberal" or "P.C." and are in power in a number of the
>provinces.
I would say the only conservative parties in power would be headed up
provincially by Harris and Klein. Charest is a red-tory as is Cretian
a red-liberal. In either case, the liberal party of Canada is anything
but conservative. Federal PC'ers need to dump Charest - a red-tory
looser.
>[1] Reform can have no more influence on poor employment and income
> levels than any other party. That is because they are not
> problems that are made in Canada, but are a consequence of the
> Global Economy.
Remains to be seen. PCs and Libs have had the seat for the last 130
years, and in the last 30 made a mess of it. I would say it is time to
move on.
> tools would Preston Manning have at his disposal that are denied
> to them? This is possibly the silliest claim that you make for
> Reform. To say that Manning could decrease unemploy-
Not at all silly. A change in philosophy of government might just go
along way. Hell, what do Canadian's have to loose?
> You appear to be someone who lives in a dream world where all of
> your earnings can be attributed to your wit and effort. Well,
> the news is that you owe virtually *all* of your financial
> success to the fact that you are functioning in a community.
Although not a reply to my comment, I do believe there should be a law
that limits taxation from all sources. Anything say above 33% is
refundable in whole. Thus, 1/3 for the governments.
>[3] Government and consumer debt, accompanied by low consumer
> confidence have resulted from a number of factors, none of which
Lower consumer confidence has little to do with it, people don't have
the money. For anyone under the age of 50 or so, the most expensive
thing in life will be taxes, unless of course your pigging out at the
trough.
> One of the best things that could happen to Canada would be
> to have all neo-consrvatives crawl up each others'
> assholes.
I would rather see people and companies depend alot less on government
and more on themselves. Government need to concentraight their efforts
on what benefits MOST Canadians and less on special interest groups,
vote buying of the lazy and corrupt.
Derek Nalecki
In article <dreilley.41...@pinc.com>, drei...@pinc.com (David Reilley) says:
>
>In article <56qicd$b...@news.inforamp.net> crs...@inforamp.net (John Carrick) writes:
>
>>John Lambourn, using the fake name gi...@interlog.com (Georges Skorpios)
>wrote:
>
>>>>>Why shouldn't Conrad Black support the Reform Party? Black is a
>>>> conservative and Reform is Canada's only federal conservative party.
>>>> However, there are two excellent provincial conservative parties,
>>>> Klein's in Alberta and Harris' in Ontario.
>
><lots snipped>
>
>>[5] The "general national malaise" that you speak of is a reflection
>> of a nationwide problem - people like yourself wanting to feel
>> good without having to be good.
>>
>> to have all neo-consrvatives crawl up each others'
>> assholes.
>
>(For two week every summer he holidays up David Frum.)
And here we have couple typical "intellectual" responses from usenet's
sub-moronic left.
Name-calling is the only kind of posts these "gentlemen" contribute here.
But let someone respond to them in kind. Give'em a taste of their own
medicine...
We are treated to pious, self-righteaous bleeting from every usenet
leftist:
'How can we, on the right, resort to name-calling?'
'Can't we engage in civil discussion?'
...etcetera, etcetera.
You pukes wouldn't know a civil discussion if you saw one, and wouldn't
like it if you did. For years you have had your bullshit being peddled
unchallenged on the primitive media. To the point that the cockroach
lifestyles of welfare pimps have been declared "wholesome" and "moral".
Now since the advent of usenett, every depraved, obscene principle of
the welfare nightmare _is_ being challenged. With the end result of the
leftist loons loosing the last remnants of sanity, civility (yeah, I
know, there was never much of that around) and respectability (ditto).
Loosing it in a public forum, for everyone to see ;-)
Like the man in the TV said: "I llove it when a plan comes together".
derek n, RdNck, Pen-Arm of the Righteous, esq.
"Never initiate force against another. _That_ should be the underlying
principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate
without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are
sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming
- you or yours again."
(F. Paul Wilson - 'THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO; Revised Eastern Sect Edition')
********************* MY OTHER COMPUTER IS A LAP-TOP *******************
Steve Ranta
. . .
> [1] Reform can have no more influence on poor employment and income
> levels than any other party. That is because they are not
> problems that are made in Canada, but are a consequence of the
> Global Economy. . . .
If Reform was a genuine populist party, and not just the New Party of Big
Business in a phoney populist disguise, it would oppose free trade.
As Canada took the lead in promoting the World Trade Organisation, and is
currently putting in place the pieces for the expansion of NAFTA, a change
away from 'free trade' promotion by the Canadian government could affect
globalisation.
--
Steve Ranta
Steve Ranta
In article <329101fd...@news.execpc.com>, dand...@execpc.com (Dave
Anderson) wrote:
. . . A change in philosophy of government might just go
> along way. Hell, what do Canadian's have to loose? . . .
More than you do, living in the U.S. and making pronouncements about
Canadians and what they should do.
--
Steve Ranta
Dave Anderson
sra...@macwest.org (Steve Ranta) wrote:
>. . . A change in philosophy of government might just go
>> along way. Hell, what do Canadian's have to loose? . . .
>
>More than you do, living in the U.S. and making pronouncements about
>Canadians and what they should do.
Sounds to me like you don't work steady if at all. Need the maple leaf
in the drop box to keep warm?
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Socialism:
"You make more money than I think you should. Gimme!"
Capitalism:
"You have money, let me trade you something for it!"
Liberalism:
"Spend more than you have in the name of socialism!"
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