Icon of Virgin Mary Weeps in Toronto Church
John Lauzon
Sept 1/96
This is taken from the Toronto Sun Newspaper.
'Miracle' tears at T.O. church
by George Christopoulos
TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek Orthodox
Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
A replica of the original 750 A.D. icon of the Virgin Mary
beganweeping profusely at 11:30 a.m. leaving a large puddle below the
painting, Rev. Ieronimos Katseas tokd The Sun.
At 6 p.m. yesterday, the crush of the spectators at Mother
Portaitissa, Sts. Raphael Nikolaos and Irene Church began to intesify as
word of the "miracle spread.
Katseas said the curch will remain open to anyone wishing to
witness what he and others believe is "a modern-day miracle".
Katseas said he believes the phenomenon is a holy prophecy.
"It means something good or bad will happen soonŠ but it (the
weeping icon) whas powers to heal the sick, too."
He said the tears are being collected and preserved in a bottle.
Visitors are allowed to smell the fragrance before they pray.
Potoula Alexpoulos said the icon "began to weep as soon as Sunday
mass ended."
She and other worshippers said they will remain at the church as
long as the Virigin MAry is crying.
"This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
God bless
John
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Brian Allardice
> "This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
>God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
This is too fucking pathetic for words....
Cheers,
dba
Yup, god!
On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 05:31:55 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
wrote:
>Sept 1/96
>
>This is taken from the Toronto Sun Newspaper.
>
>'Miracle' tears at T.O. church
>
> by George Christopoulos
>
>TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek Orthodox
>Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
>
> A replica of the original 750 A.D. icon of the Virgin Mary
>beganweeping profusely at 11:30 a.m. leaving a large puddle below the
>painting, Rev. Ieronimos Katseas tokd The Sun.
>
> He said the tears are being collected and preserved in a bottle.
>Visitors are allowed to smell the fragrance before they pray.
THAT was my dog " Fifi " taking a whizz.
I had hoped nobody would notice.
But hey, Johnny boy , if you wanna collect dog piss & make a profit,
well thats fine by me !
-= god =-
" and jesus came,...
all over mary's face..."
Karen S.
John Lauzon <bk...@torfree.net> wrote in article
<Dx5617.57...@torfree.net>...
> Sept 1/96
>
> This is taken from the Toronto Sun Newspaper.
>
> 'Miracle' tears at T.O. church
>
> by George Christopoulos
>
> TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek
Orthodox
> Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
I guess I must have missed this article. Thanks for the posting. :-)
-Karen.
Iain Grant
d...@uniserve.com (Brian Allardice) wrote:
>> "This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
>>God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
>This is too fucking pathetic for words....
Actually, 'too fucking pathetic' are good words to describe it. P.T.
Barnum would be proud.
Ig.
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Iain Grant (ia...@io.org) wrote:
: d...@uniserve.com (Brian Allardice) wrote:
:
: >> "This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
: >>God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
i saw the image of jesus in some nacho cheese at 7-11 today but i ate
it...will i go to hell or was this all just part of the buzz i got off
the percodan spiked slurpee?
: >This is too fucking pathetic for words....
:
Todd Howe
On Tue, 03 Sep 1996 18:19:05 GMT, ia...@io.org (Iain Grant) wrote:
>d...@uniserve.com (Brian Allardice) wrote:
>>> "This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
>>>God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
> P.T.Barnum would be proud.
>Ig.
Apparently James Randi - noted expert at embarrasing occultists of all
stripes - was on the radio recently and he said that things of this
sort are always such cheap fakes or so blatantly a product of natural
circumstances that he doesn't even bother flying out to debunk them
any more.
The idea, I suppose, is that either those who possess any intellectual
honesty will see through the fraud themselves - or, being true
believers, don't want anyone to disturb their comforting ignorance.
REAL HOW TO TIP - PRODUCE YOUR OWN WEEPING STATUE "MIRACLE"
Scratch the enamel off of the crown and eyes of your typical porcelain
icon - god, saint, demon, or avatar of your own choice - saturate the
exposed scalp surface with water, add food dye for interesting effects
to astound the faithful. Presto - water being a small molecule and
porcelain being a rather porous substance, you have a 'crying
miracle'.
I profess to not ever having bothered to try this myself.
_/\_ Todd Howe _/\_ th...@io.org _/\_ http://www.io.org/~thowe _________
"The purpose of morality is not to teach you how to suffer and die,
but to enjoy yourself and live" -Ayn Rand--+ http://www.aynrand.org/ +--
Dan Herold
In article <50jbj3$q...@news1.io.org>, Todd Howe <th...@io.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Sep 1996 18:19:05 GMT, ia...@io.org (Iain Grant) wrote:
>
>>d...@uniserve.com (Brian Allardice) wrote:
>
>>>> "This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
>>>>God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
>
>> P.T.Barnum would be proud.
>>Ig.
>
>Apparently James Randi - noted expert at embarrasing occultists of all
>stripes - was on the radio recently and he said that things of this
>sort are always such cheap fakes or so blatantly a product of natural
>circumstances that he doesn't even bother flying out to debunk them
>any more.
Anyone with a copy of today's Toronto Sun (Sept 4) should check out the
article on page 4 entitled "Expert unmoved by crying icon's tears". An
online copy can be reached at: http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/9609040054.html
Quoted from the Toronto Sun article:
Dr. Joe Nickell of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of
Claims of the Paranormal, came here from Amherst, N.Y., to study the
phenomenon in an East York Greek Orthodox church at the request of The
Toronto Sun.
"It's a far cry from anything looking vaguely like a miracle to me,"
said Nickell, whose group was founded in 1976 by Carl Sagan and other
leading scientists.
"I'm troubled by the fact I was not allowed to get close to it and the
fact I was refused a sample of the tears," he said, after spending 15
minutes inside the Glebemount Ave. church run by controversial priest
Father Ieronimos Katseas.
Church officials had earlier promised The Sun a chance to remove the
Madonna print from the wall so it could studied, but at the last minute
changed their minds - saying they would only agree to do so on live TV."
Regards,
.drh
--
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Toronto, Ontario http://www.interlog.com/~drh
carmen
John Lauzon wrote:
>
> Sept 1/96
>
> This is taken from the Toronto Sun Newspaper.
>
> 'Miracle' tears at T.O. church
>
> by George Christopoulos
>
> TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek Orthodox
> Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
>
> beganweeping profusely at 11:30 a.m. leaving a large puddle below the
> painting, Rev. Ieronimos Katseas tokd The Sun.
>
> Portaitissa, Sts. Raphael Nikolaos and Irene Church began to intesify as
> word of the "miracle spread.
>
> Katseas said the curch will remain open to anyone wishing to
> witness what he and others believe is "a modern-day miracle".
>
The latest I heard about this was that the Reverend of this church had
his credentials for being a minister taken away because of questionable
behaviours, including fraud and embezzlement -- and his congregation had
dwindled away to practically nothing. Then, suddenly, here is this
weeping icon and his church is full again, with donations pouring in...
Hmmmmm...... Does God reward sinners???
Jay North (Dennis)
On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 02:45:18 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
wrote:
>
>With this little 13 peu church in such chaos, I wouldn't be surprised
>that the icon is weeping, but it still has to be proven true or false.
>
>John
Well, why don't you jump on the bandwagon? Your fellow christians are
in trouble, why not jump to their aid, or do you prefer not to because
it doesn't fit YOUR version of christianity?
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . Everyone needs a little menace in their lives . . .
John Lauzon
Karen S. (msa...@mbnet.mb.ca) wrote:
: John Lauzon <bk...@torfree.net> wrote in article
: <Dx5617.57...@torfree.net>...
: > Sept 1/96
: >
: > This is taken from the Toronto Sun Newspaper.
: >
: > 'Miracle' tears at T.O. church
: >
: > by George Christopoulos
: >
: > TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek
: Orthodox
: > Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
: I guess I must have missed this article. Thanks for the posting. :-)
: -Karen.
Your welcome Karen!...:)
John Lauzon
: >> "This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
: >>God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
: >This is too fucking pathetic for words....
: Actually, 'too fucking pathetic' are good words to describe it. P.T.
: Barnum would be proud.
: Ig.
How would you know, are you one of his clowns?
John Lauzon
Todd Howe (th...@io.org) wrote:
: On Tue, 03 Sep 1996 18:19:05 GMT, ia...@io.org (Iain Grant) wrote:
: >d...@uniserve.com (Brian Allardice) wrote:
: >>> "This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
: >>>God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
: > P.T.Barnum would be proud.
: >Ig.
: Apparently James Randi - noted expert at embarrasing occultists of all
: stripes - was on the radio recently and he said that things of this
: sort are always such cheap fakes or so blatantly a product of natural
: circumstances that he doesn't even bother flying out to debunk them
: any more.
: The idea, I suppose, is that either those who possess any intellectual
: honesty will see through the fraud themselves - or, being true
: believers, don't want anyone to disturb their comforting ignorance.
: REAL HOW TO TIP - PRODUCE YOUR OWN WEEPING STATUE "MIRACLE"
: Scratch the enamel off of the crown and eyes of your typical porcelain
: icon - god, saint, demon, or avatar of your own choice - saturate the
: exposed scalp surface with water, add food dye for interesting effects
: to astound the faithful. Presto - water being a small molecule and
: porcelain being a rather porous substance, you have a 'crying
: miracle'.
: I profess to not ever having bothered to try this myself.
Too bad because under investigation it would have been deemed a fake and a
waste of your time but how do you explain the ones that cannot be
explained away by scientific examination? :)
John Lauzon
Dan Herold (d...@interlog.com) wrote:
: Anyone with a copy of today's Toronto Sun (Sept 4) should check out the
: article on page 4 entitled "Expert unmoved by crying icon's tears". An
: online copy can be reached at: http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/9609040054.html
: Quoted from the Toronto Sun article:
: Dr. Joe Nickell of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of
: Claims of the Paranormal, came here from Amherst, N.Y., to study the
: phenomenon in an East York Greek Orthodox church at the request of The
: Toronto Sun.
: "It's a far cry from anything looking vaguely like a miracle to me,"
: said Nickell, whose group was founded in 1976 by Carl Sagan and other
: leading scientists.
: "I'm troubled by the fact I was not allowed to get close to it and the
: fact I was refused a sample of the tears," he said, after spending 15
: minutes inside the Glebemount Ave. church run by controversial priest
: Father Ieronimos Katseas.
: Church officials had earlier promised The Sun a chance to remove the
: Madonna print from the wall so it could studied, but at the last minute
: changed their minds - saying they would only agree to do so on live TV."
: Regards,
: .drh
: --
: Dan R. Herold e-mail: d...@interlog.com
: Toronto, Ontario http://www.interlog.com/~drh
How many of these phenomena has this "scientific" group found to be
unexplainable?
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca
Todd Howe (th...@io.org) wrote:
: On Tue, 03 Sep 1996 18:19:05 GMT, ia...@io.org (Iain Grant) wrote:
:
: >d...@uniserve.com (Brian Allardice) wrote:
:
: >>> "This is a message coming down from heaven. It's a message from
: >>>God," she said as tears streamed down her face.
:
: > P.T.Barnum would be proud.
: >Ig.
:
: Apparently James Randi - noted expert at embarrasing occultists of all
: stripes - was on the radio recently and he said that things of this
: sort are always such cheap fakes or so blatantly a product of natural
: circumstances that he doesn't even bother flying out to debunk them
: any more.
:
: The idea, I suppose, is that either those who possess any intellectual
: honesty will see through the fraud themselves - or, being true
: believers, don't want anyone to disturb their comforting ignorance.
:
: REAL HOW TO TIP - PRODUCE YOUR OWN WEEPING STATUE "MIRACLE"
:
: Scratch the enamel off of the crown and eyes of your typical porcelain
: icon - god, saint, demon, or avatar of your own choice - saturate the
: exposed scalp surface with water, add food dye for interesting effects
: to astound the faithful. Presto - water being a small molecule and
: porcelain being a rather porous substance, you have a 'crying
: miracle'.
:
: I profess to not ever having bothered to try this myself.
: _/\_ Todd Howe _/\_ th...@io.org _/\_ http://www.io.org/~thowe _________
:
: "The purpose of morality is not to teach you how to suffer and die,
: but to enjoy yourself and live" -Ayn Rand--+ http://www.aynrand.org/ +--
:
its on par with the statue of ganesha drinking milk - whats next?
a bust of elvis is eating cheeseburgers? gimme a break!
Iain Grant
bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon) wrote:
>Too bad because under investigation it would have been deemed a fake and a
>waste of your time but how do you explain the ones that cannot be
>explained away by scientific examination? :)
Couldn't have anything to do with the oil lamp placed right above, and
on top of the picture ? It couldn't be oil spurts blowing out on the
canvas ?
Not as romantic as an end of the world theory, I agree. But this
seems to be the one that most people agree on.
Brian Allardice
In article <Dx8H41.EI...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon) says:
>
>Karen S. (msa...@mbnet.mb.ca) wrote:
>: I guess I must have missed this article. Thanks for the posting. :-)
>: -Karen.
>
> Your welcome Karen!...:)
>
>God bless
>John
Hah! You just want to get into her pants... At least you're not
after the choir boys....
Brian Allardice
>its on par with the statue of ganesha drinking milk - whats next?
>a bust of elvis is eating cheeseburgers? gimme a break!
No, no! It happened in my back garden... Send $15 & a Big Mac
Cheers,
dba
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca
Brian Allardice (d...@uniserve.com) wrote:
he he he no wonder the virgin mary is crying...she can't get laid
Andrew Kirk
> Sept 1/96
>
> This is taken from the Toronto Sun Newspaper.
>
> 'Miracle' tears at T.O. church
>
> by George Christopoulos
>
> TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek Orthodox
> Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
>
> A replica of the original 750 A.D. icon of the Virgin Mary
> beganweeping profusely at 11:30 a.m. leaving a large puddle below the
> painting, Rev. Ieronimos Katseas tokd The Sun.
This isn't a miracle. Parting of the Red Sea, now theres's a miracle...I
would think there are a lot more beneficial miracles God would rather
spend his time on then making bad paintings cry. I mean really. Why not
heal a bunch of folks? God is supposed to help those who ask, or who help
themselves. There are sure alot of folks asking for things other than
cheap crying statues and paintings.
You could argue that every day is a miracle. Then again, I live in a nice
house and have a job there are alot of folks who don't. For a lot of
people survival is more important.
Crying paintings and statues are cheap fraud and trickery. A crying
replica.....sigh. It makes me sad and tired thinking about it.
Trikky T
bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon) Wrote, in his (or her) infinite
wisdom:
>TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek Orthodox
>Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
From what I saw on TV, it was just a bit of rain dripping on the
painting from a small hole in the roof.....
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Brian Allardice <d...@uniserve.com> wrote in article
<50luo3$4...@atlas.uniserve.com>...
> In article <Dx8H41.EI...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
Lauzon) says:
> >
> >Karen S. (msa...@mbnet.mb.ca) wrote:
>
>
> Hah! You just want to get into her pants... At least you're not
> after the choir boys....
>
My husband did not appreciate your comment and is now looking for you !
GOOD LUCK.
Jonathan Voon
Brian Allardice <d...@uniserve.com> wrote in article
<50luo3$4...@atlas.uniserve.com>...
> In article <Dx8H41.EI...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
Lauzon) says:
> >
> >Karen S. (msa...@mbnet.mb.ca) wrote:
>
> >: I guess I must have missed this article. Thanks for the posting. :-)
> >: -Karen.
> >
> > Your welcome Karen!...:)
> >
> >God bless
> >John
>
> Hah! You just want to get into her pants... At least you're not
> after the choir boys....
>
You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our society
today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are abusers
of anything you do not know about or dislike.
It is scary, but you also speak like an abuser. (rapist, thief, pedofile,
etc,etc) ...
Its funny how you prefer to look like a dirty mouth idiot than to learn a
few more things you seem to know nothing about:
1) Like respect for people you do not know.
2) And more importantly, respect for yourself.
I invite you to prove us all wrong. Can you take the challenge and address
people intelligently?
As you know, it takes no special effort to look and sound like an ignorant.
I actually think you are smarter than how you sound. The question is : Do
you?
Geoffrey Gies
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca wrote:
: its on par with the statue of ganesha drinking milk - whats next?
: a bust of elvis is eating cheeseburgers? gimme a break!
now that would be a miracle! but knowing elvis, it would be
imbibing prescription drugs.
Brian Allardice
In article <01bb9b4a$69300320$d3d6a3c6@venus>, "Karen S." <msa...@mbnet.mb.ca> says:
>My husband did not appreciate your comment and is now looking for you !
>GOOD LUCK.
Not me.. It's that Lauzon chap you've got to watch out for....
Cheers,
dba
Patrick Chung
On 5 Sep 1996, Brian Allardice wrote:
> In article <Dx8H41.EI...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauz=
on) says:
> >
> >Karen S. (msa...@mbnet.mb.ca) wrote:
>=20
> >: I guess I must have missed this article. Thanks for the posting. :-)
> >: -Karen.
> >
> > Your welcome Karen!...:)
> >
> >God bless
> >John
>=20
> Hah! You just want to get into her pants... At least you're not
> after the choir boys....
It is the thought that counts, but I guess unfortunately for you, y=
ou
have different kind of thoughts. :)=FA
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Jason Smith
Karen S. wrote:
>
>
> My husband did not appreciate your comment and is now looking for you !
> GOOD LUCK.
Nothing like a little charity (read that as head-kicking) to the sinners
when they step out of line. Christendom thanks you, Karen.
Jason Smith
Jonathan Voon wrote:
>
> You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our society
> today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are abusers
> of anything you do not know about or dislike.
>
First of all, the word is 'deduce.' Second, you have insufficent
evidence to justify a deduction of that kind.
> It is scary, but you also speak like an abuser. (rapist, thief, pedofile,
> etc,etc) ...
>
Those are very serious words. Do you understand what you are saying?
Better yet, does your attorney know what you are saying?
> Its funny how you prefer to look like a dirty mouth idiot than to learn a
> few more things you seem to know nothing about:
> 1) Like respect for people you do not know.
> 2) And more importantly, respect for yourself.
>
Respect is earned as much as it is conceded. Right now, you appear to be
very smug and self-righteous. Jesus said 'Let him who is without sin
cast the first stone.' Maybe you should consider his advice when judging
those you consider to be your moral inferior.
> I invite you to prove us all wrong. Can you take the challenge and address
> people intelligently?
> As you know, it takes no special effort to look and sound like an ignorant.
> I actually think you are smarter than how you sound. The question is : Do
> you?
I happen to think you demonstrate obsessive tendancies. Can you take the
challenge of turning the other cheek? I happen to think that most people
are capable of that. Show us that you are.
Jason Smith
John Lauzon wrote:
>
> Too bad because under investigation it would have been deemed a fake and a
> waste of your time but how do you explain the ones that cannot be
> explained away by scientific examination? :)
>
> John
>
Theologian Tom Harpur suggests it's because we don't entirely understand
all of the laws of how things work yet. I'm not saying I entirely agree
with him. However, it is true that sufficiently complex phenomenon can
appear to be magical to people without the background information to
interpret them. Before you jump all over this, John, do recognize it as
an admitted partial-at-best attempt to shed some light on the debate.
bochum26
John Loser wrote:
>
> On 5 Sep 1996 18:45:24 GMT, "Jonathan Voon" <uni...@mbnet.mb.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our society
> >today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are abusers
> >of anything you do not know about or dislike.
>
> The TRUTH MUST be told!
>
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What a disgusting reply - this country unfortunately is full of sickos.
John Loser
Brian
"Karen S." <msa...@mbnet.mb.ca> wrote:
>Brian Allardice <d...@uniserve.com> wrote in article
><50luo3$4...@atlas.uniserve.com>...
>> In article <Dx8H41.EI...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
Lauzon) says:
>> >
>> >Karen S. (msa...@mbnet.mb.ca) wrote:
>> Hah! You just want to get into her pants... At least you're not
>> after the choir boys....
Exactly what I was thinking.
>My husband did not appreciate your comment and is now looking for you !
>GOOD LUCK.
Oh NO! Not your husband!
Who cares, go away.
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca
Brian Allardice (d...@uniserve.com) wrote:
: In article <01bb9b4a$69300320$d3d6a3c6@venus>, "Karen S." <msa...@mbnet.mb.ca> says:
:
: >My husband did not appreciate your comment and is now looking for you !
: >GOOD LUCK.
:
: Not me.. It's that Lauzon chap you've got to watch out for....
'good luck'? gee, don't you mean 'may god have mercy'?
:
: Cheers,
: dba
John Lauzon
carmen (ri...@cpd.ubc.ca) wrote:
: John Lauzon wrote:
: >
: > Sept 1/96
: >
: > This is taken from the Toronto Sun Newspaper.
: >
: > 'Miracle' tears at T.O. church
: >
: > by George Christopoulos
: > TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek Orthodox
: > Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
: > A replica of the original 750 A.D. icon of the Virgin Mary
: > beganweeping profusely at 11:30 a.m. leaving a large puddle below the
: > painting, Rev. Ieronimos Katseas tokd The Sun.
: > At 6 p.m. yesterday, the crush of the spectators at Mother
: > Portaitissa, Sts. Raphael Nikolaos and Irene Church began to intesify as
: > word of the "miracle spread.
: >
: > Katseas said the curch will remain open to anyone wishing to
: > witness what he and others believe is "a modern-day miracle".
: >
: The latest I heard about this was that the Reverend of this church had
: his credentials for being a minister taken away because of questionable
: behaviours, including fraud and embezzlement -- and his congregation had
: dwindled away to practically nothing. Then, suddenly, here is this
: weeping icon and his church is full again, with donations pouring in...
: Hmmmmm...... Does God reward sinners???
With this little 13 peu church in such chaos, I wouldn't be surprised
that the icon is weeping, but it still has to be proven true or false.
John
John Lauzon
Iain Grant (ia...@io.org) wrote:
: bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon) wrote:
: >Too bad because under investigation it would have been deemed a fake and a
: >waste of your time but how do you explain the ones that cannot be
: >explained away by scientific examination? :)
: Couldn't have anything to do with the oil lamp placed right above, and
: on top of the picture ? It couldn't be oil spurts blowing out on the
: canvas ?
Apparantly all the icons have these lamps hanging in front of them and
this icon is the only one weeping, and again, how do you explain the
other ones around the world that cannot be explained away by scientific
means?
Larry Phillips
In article <01bb9b5a$67028180$03d6...@notestar.directions.ca>,
"Jonathan Voon" <uni...@mbnet.mb.ca> writes:
>You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our society
>today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are abusers
>of anything you do not know about or dislike.
You people are a prime example of the uptight humourless political
correctness afflicting o society today. What you should 'deduct' [sic]
is that someone made a humourous comment, and further, that if you
don't like it, you should probably sequester yourself in some place
where humour is seldom present. This would serve a dual purpose, both
calming you and reducing your opportunities for inflicting your poisoned
outlook on life on people who enjoy life.
>It is scary, but you also speak like an abuser. (rapist, thief, pedofile,
>etc,etc) ...
You are a pathetic waste of oxygen.
>Its funny how you prefer to look like a dirty mouth idiot than to learn a
>few more things you seem to know nothing about:
>1) Like respect for people you do not know.
>2) And more importantly, respect for yourself.
I couldn't respect someone with your attitudes, regardless of how
well I knew you, so quit trying to suck up.
>I invite you to prove us all wrong. Can you take the challenge and address
>people intelligently?
Can you?
>As you know, it takes no special effort to look and sound like an ignorant.
>I actually think you are smarter than how you sound. The question is : Do
>you?
On the other hand, it would take me a lifetime of effort to sound like
foolish prig with a carrot up his ass, like you.
Geoffrey Gies
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca wrote:
no. as a practicing christian, she has attained the rite of
hypochristy, whereby turning the other cheek only applies to those
heathens she wishes to beat for her own god-given reason. now take
penance by pronouncing 12 holy cows and call the doctor in the morning.
Jim Butterfield
<newsgroups reduced>
Larry Phillips (la...@furble.tvinet.com) wrote:
: ...You people are a prime example of the uptight humourless political
: correctness afflicting o society today. What you should 'deduct' [sic]
: is that someone made a humourous comment,...
Larry, c'mon. Some on-topic material was posted, and was followed up by
sexual snickering based solely on the female name of one of the
contributors. That's humourous? Let me refresh your memory:
>Karen S. (msa...@mbnet.mb.ca) wrote:
>: I guess I must have missed this article. Thanks for the posting. :-)
>: -Karen.
John Lauzon responded:
> >God bless
Brian Allardice responded to this with:
> Hah! You just want to get into her pants... At least you're not
after the choir boys....
That's humourous? Nobody would possible take any offense at Allardice's
rapier-like wit?
: ... and further, that if you
: don't like it, you should probably sequester yourself in some place
: where humour is seldom present.
Like Allardice's postings?
C'mon, Larry. We know that the best way to respond to sub-teen level
smutty remarks is to ignore them. But what the hell turned your flame
on? Your really think that Allardice's comment is humourous? Maybe you
should explain it to us (and cross-post to the humour newsgroups).
--Jim
Todd Howe
On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 02:52:23 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
wrote:
>Apparantly all the icons have these lamps hanging in front of them and
>this icon is the only one weeping, and again, how do you explain the
>other ones around the world that cannot be explained away by scientific
>means?
Okay, I'll bite, and then you'll doubtless pull out some anecdotes
which I have no way of verifying unless the alleged miracle happens to
be within driving distance.
The fact is, it's not up to rational secularists to attempt to
'explain away' a single thing - logically speaking, there can be no
disproof of a negative. In this forum, the onus would be on you, John,
to provide verifiable sources, and since that is obviously not
possible, there's no point in referring to them. I'm content to
dismiss all such claims as being antithetical to everything scientific
induction has discovered about the nature of the world; and since that
process has no room for faith, which Christianity or mysticism of any
sort relies on, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Here come da Judge
In article <322f8f57...@news.smartt.com>, bk...@torrfre.net (John Loser) wrote:
>
>Hey! if you don't like it, don't read it!
>The TRUTH MUST be told!
Hey - pisshead. If you don't read it how do you know
you don't like it? Slight lapse in logic here.......
BTW - John "Loser". Yeah, the name fits.
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca
John Loser (bk...@torrfre.net) wrote:
: On 5 Sep 1996 18:45:24 GMT, "Jonathan Voon" <uni...@mbnet.mb.ca>
: wrote:
:
:
: >You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our society
: >today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are abusers
: >of anything you do not know about or dislike.
you ever hear of satire? oooh and by the way, lighten up and loosen
the schphicter for once
:
:
: Hey! if you don't like it, don't read it!
: The TRUTH MUST be told!
:
:
:
:
: \ [S] / o<<<<<>>>>>o"SUCK THE HOLY PENIS"<<<<<>>>>> \ [S] /
: -- [[U]] -- I extend to you who is reading this .sig <<<<<<>>>>>> --[[U]]--
Brian Allardice
>John Lauzon responded:
>> >God bless
>Brian Allardice responded to this with:
>
>> Hah! You just want to get into her pants... At least you're not
>after the choir boys....
>That's humourous? Nobody would possible take any offense at Allardice's
>rapier-like wit?
Of course not. It was a serious warning about this John "come up and
see my weeping icons" Lauzon character. Can't be too careful these
days....
Cheers,
dba
David Lloyd-Jones
th...@io.org (Todd Howe) wrote:
>The fact is, it's not up to rational secularists to attempt to
>'explain away' a single thing - logically speaking, there can be no
>disproof of a negative.
There must be some kind of typo in there some place. A negative is
easily disproved by any single example. "There are no black swans" is
disproved by one black swan turning up.
-dlj.
Lee Godfrey
Please remove wpg.general from the header as this discussion belongs in
alt.religion, etc, not wpg.general.
Thanks for understanding,
(all flames will be ignored)
Baden Kudrenecky
I am reading this in bc.general, and I totally
agree. That John Lauzon idiot regularly spams his
religious drivel in too many unrelated newsgroups.
For this thread, I must make an exception, and say
it should also be in alt.humor, as after reading all
fifty or whatever postings, it was totally hilarious,
especially John's re-designed SIG.
adios, baden
Baden Kudrenecky
ba...@unixg.ubc.ca
http://www.lionsgate.com/home/baden
Running OS/2 and Linux
Jonathan Voon
John Loser <bk...@torrfre.net> wrote in article
<322f8f57...@news.smartt.com>...
> On 5 Sep 1996 18:45:24 GMT, "Jonathan Voon" <uni...@mbnet.mb.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> >You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our
society
> >today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are
abusers
> >of anything you do not know about or dislike.
>
>
> Hey! if you don't like it, don't read it!
> The TRUTH MUST be told!
>
Amazing how you view your side as the only TRUTH... Your reply re-inforces
my case even further. Thanks for participating. I rest my case.
Jonathan Voon
Jason Smith <p...@passport.ca> wrote in article
<322F9F...@passport.ca>...
> Respect is earned as much as it is conceded. Right now, you appear to be
> very smug and self-righteous. Jesus said 'Let him who is without sin
> cast the first stone.' Maybe you should consider his advice when judging
> those you consider to be your moral inferior.
Hummm... DO YOU have enough evidence and wisdom to justify these remarks ??
> I happen to think you demonstrate obsessive tendancies. Can you take the
> challenge of turning the other cheek? I happen to think that most people
> are capable of that. Show us that you are.
Hummm... obsessive tendencies ... Well, let's see:
-Being turned off because of offensive dialog that demostrates lack of
respect MAY (in your view) be considered obsessive. You probably would say
the same about a citizen who is disgusted with walls full of grafitti that
were once cleaner and cared for.
-Thank you for your response. It clearly validates my point.
I rest my case.
Jason Smith
Jonathan Voon wrote:
>
> Jason Smith <p...@passport.ca> wrote in article
> <322F9F...@passport.ca>...
>
> > Respect is earned as much as it is conceded. Right now, you appear to be
>
> > very smug and self-righteous. Jesus said 'Let him who is without sin
> > cast the first stone.' Maybe you should consider his advice when judging
>
> > those you consider to be your moral inferior.
>
> Hummm... DO YOU have enough evidence and wisdom to justify these remarks ??
Evidence and wisdom? I present the New Testament. Is that sufficiently authoritative for you?
>
> > I happen to think you demonstrate obsessive tendancies. Can you take the
>
> > challenge of turning the other cheek? I happen to think that most people
>
> > are capable of that. Show us that you are.
>
> Hummm... obsessive tendencies ... Well, let's see:
> -Being turned off because of offensive dialog that demostrates lack of
> respect MAY (in your view) be considered obsessive. You probably would say
> the same about a citizen who is disgusted with walls full of grafitti that
> were once cleaner and cared for.
>
Hypothesis contrary to the facts. That would be two minutes for bad reasoning.
> -Thank you for your response. It clearly validates my point.
>
> I rest my case.
What that you can't read? That you are capable of slander and speculation instead of long suffering
and patience? Of these your case is clearly proven.
Patrick Chung
On 7 Sep 1996 ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca wrote:
> John Loser (bk...@torrfre.net) wrote:
> : On 5 Sep 1996 18:45:24 GMT, "Jonathan Voon" <uni...@mbnet.mb.ca>
> : wrote:
> :
> :
> : >You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our society
> : >today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are abusers
> : >of anything you do not know about or dislike.
>
> you ever hear of satire? oooh and by the way, lighten up and loosen
> the schphicter for once
Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
religion.
The altered signature is not appreciated.
It shows your stupidity.
Pat Chung
Brian Allardice
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960908...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>, Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> says:
> Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
>religion.
> The altered signature is not appreciated.
>It shows your stupidity.
Rubbish. While you are free to promote your particular brand of bullshit,
others are equally free to scoff at it. Of course you don't like that
because religion only thrives on ignorance and state support, but tough
for you. I realise you pine for the days of the Spanish Inquisition,
but those are long gone. Why don't you just buy an inflatable Virgin
Mary.
Cheers,
dba
Richard J. Sexton
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960908...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>,
Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote:
>> you ever hear of satire? oooh and by the way, lighten up and loosen
>> the schphicter for once
> Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
>religion.
Your opinion.
Religion should not be allowed. If offends people sensabilities.
Myt opinion.
> The altered signature is not appreciated.
>It shows your stupidity.
Your opinion.
It was very creative and hunorous.
My opinion.
I'll allow your freedom of religion if you allow me to make fun of it.
If not, all bets are off.
Of course, satanism and witchcraft are relifions too, and no doubt
you make fun of those. Can you rationalise this or will you
babble on about how they arn't real religions, esposing an obnoxioulsy
self centric viewpoint?
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Jason Smith
Patrick Chung wrote:
>
> Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
> religion.
> The altered signature is not appreciated.
> It shows your stupidity.
>
> Pat Chung
That might be true or desirable in a theocracy. However, in a democracy,
with Chruch and State separated, the right to free speech, including
religious satire must be permitted. We might agree that it is less than
desirable for personal behaviour. Censoring it seems to be a greater
evil.
What good is your faith if satire brings you to the point of censorship?
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca
Brian Allardice (d...@uniserve.com) wrote:
: In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960908...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>, Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> says:
:
: > Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
: >religion.
why is that so? god made us and he was pleased - that includes humour
and i believe god likes to have some yuks like the rest of us. by the
way, how the fuck do you offend a 'religion'? you ever hear of freedom
of speech, freedom of belief and freedom of expression...hell, while
we're at it, you ever hear of 'get the brookstick out of your schphincter
and laugh a bit'? there's no sacred cows - do you not believe the pope
has a few hilarious catholic jokes to tell? how do you know he doesn't?
think about it chump - he's the freakin pope. hey, he's gotta have a
life beyond throwing holy water filled balloons and kissing tarmac, right?
sure. i'll bet that dude watches late night comedy like i do. he could
probably make a shitload of jokes about catholicism that would make the
most uptight catholics shit their pants with laughter. as homer simpson
likes to say 'it's funny because it's true'...i had a boss who is jewish
and originally from brooklyn and every day he'd have a joke that had
something to do with someone's religion, including his own. now what
does that make him if he pokes fun at judaism? i say it makes him a
funny guy who is not anal like yourself. he's comfortable with it
and humour/satire shows the quirkiness of our workaday humanity. well,
doesn't it? god knows we're all frail and i'm sure he gets all the jokes
that get told about any religion. he's a busy guy and all work and
no laughs makes god bored into a coma. just like being stuck in a room
with a tv and every channel has nonstop episodes of roseanne and her
unfunny bitchy fat middle american woman schtick. ick! never mind fire
and brimstone or going to a land where all the radio morning shows suck,
that's what hell will be like for YOU...nonstop roseanne.
: > The altered signature is not appreciated.
: >It shows your stupidity.
:
: Rubbish. While you are free to promote your particular brand of bullshit,
: others are equally free to scoff at it. Of course you don't like that
: because religion only thrives on ignorance and state support, but tough
: for you. I realise you pine for the days of the Spanish Inquisition,
: but those are long gone. Why don't you just buy an inflatable Virgin
: Mary.
:
brian has excellent points here and it reminds me that a lot of
stuff in the bible i.m.o. INCLUDING THE FICTIONAL TEARS OF MARY are
folklore taken to extreme. how do you know that one day, eons from
now, people will discover goddamn archie comic books and believe that
they are works of great literary genius...then biblical scholars will pop
up and have great arguments about how reggie is really the epitome of
evil and moose is the epitome of american know-how etc etc etc...
just like in the movie demolition man where old commercial jingles
become popular music. yeah, sure, moses parted the sea...sounds like
urban folklore. yeah, sure, jesus made a loaf of wonder bread turn
into a thousand baguettes for a small village or whatever. it's all
fishing stories. the big one that got away. no one could corroborate
it really but who are you to question it if the sword of damocles is
dangling over your head? does a loving god inspire fear? not supposed
to work that way is it. what you bible thumpers keep missing is that
while you're busy being so dang literal and looking for symbols and
hanging on to words out of context, you don't realize that god just
wants us all to be good and help one another. that's all. that is the
coles notes version of the bible. i could care less what john 8:13
is or whatever that sign says at football games. memorize it verbatim
but it means shit if you don't practice what you preach, bible boy.
acts of good count more than sycophantically saying something from
the bible or singing a gospel song that all seem to be written by
'anonymous'...the idea is to help god because he can't be in more
than one place at a time, like you and i can't. hence, be good.
: Cheers,
: dba
be well john spartan!
Timothy John Woelk
Richard J. Sexton crawled out of his cave and uttered:
>Your opinion.
>Religion should not be allowed. If offends people sensabilities.
>Myt opinion.
>It was very creative and hunorous.
>My opinion.
>I'll allow your freedom of religion if you allow me to make fun of it.
>If not, all bets are off.
>Of course, satanism and witchcraft are relifions too, and no doubt
>you make fun of those. Can you rationalise this or will you
>babble on about how they arn't real religions, esposing an obnoxioulsy
>self centric viewpoint?
Spelling mistakes such as the ones above should not be allowed. It makes
you look foolish, and on top of that, it makes me seiously doubt your
level of intelligence. What are you basing your outright bashing of
people who follow a religion? You have, above here, shown more hate than
Ernst Zundel could in a lifetime. And I am not going to apologize for
that statement, becasue it is true. It is extremely narrow minded of
yourself to tell people that you have never met, whose reasons you have
not heard that they are foolish and seseless.
You sir, should be very ashamed of yourself and at the very least, you
should defend your agruments, because if you say you weren't asked to, I
will scoff at your pathetic attempts at coherent argument agin because I
am asking you to defend your view that every religion is senseless.
God Bless,
Tim
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Richard J. Sexton
>You sir, should be very ashamed of yourself and at the very least, you
>should defend your agruments, because if you say you weren't asked to, I
>will scoff at your pathetic attempts at coherent argument agin because I
>am asking you to defend your view that every religion is senseless.
>
>God Bless,
Idiot. Believing in god is for idiots that don't understand molecular biology.
Brian Allardice
In article <umwoelk.842240457@castor>, umw...@cc.umanitoba.ca (Timothy John Woelk) says:
>Spelling mistakes such as the ones above should not be allowed. It makes
>you look foolish, and on top of that, it makes me seiously doubt...
^^^^^^^^
Right.....
Cheers,
dba
Cam Mayor
I thought you'd all like to know that i've indoctrinated Tim into
the spelling 'foot-in-mouth' club. (not to be confused with the
equally popular spelling foot of the month club)
cam
In article <umwoelk.842240457@castor>,
Timothy John Woelk <umw...@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
>
>Spelling mistakes such as the ones above should not be allowed. It makes
>you look foolish, and on top of that, it makes me seiously doubt your
>level of intelligence.
>not heard that they are foolish and seseless.
^^^^^^^^
>will scoff at your pathetic attempts at coherent argument agin because I
^^^^
Cam Mayor
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960908...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>,
Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote:
>
> Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
>religion.
a) Go read Fahrenheit 451. There's a specific section i want you to read,
but i can't find my copy right now.
b) You believe that your god is omnipotent. Does this not also allow for
him/her to have an all-powerful sense of humour? (answer: of
course it does!) If god can laugh at satire, why can't you?
Why gives a shit if it offends _people_? Offending your god is
what should matter to you.
cam
Geoffrey Gies
is.on.ca> <Pine.SOL.3.91.960908...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>
Organization: Toronto Free-Net
Distribution:
Patrick Chung (met...@freenet.mb.ca) wrote:
: Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
: religion.
: The altered signature is not appreciated.
: It shows your stupidity.
: Pat Chung
where's goat when you need him?
Stephen Sobol
Richard J. Sexton wrote:
>
> >You sir, should be very ashamed of yourself and at the very least, you
> >should defend your agruments, because if you say you weren't asked to, I
> >
> >God Bless,
>
> Idiot. Believing in god is for idiots that don't understand molecular biology.
>
> --
>
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> ric...@vrx.net | ISDN/ATM, Natural science, recycled karma.
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I fail to understand the need to call people names.
The fact that some religions are of questionable taste and authority by
no means excludes the existence of God. Science has done little if
anything in "proving" that God does not exist. If anything, it has done
the opposite. Believing in God is a matter of faith, trust, and, believe
or not, reason.
Stephen
Richard J. Sexton
In article <32347C...@sympatico.ca>,
So ? I fail to understand the intricies of the 27th dimensional
superstirng theory.
>The fact that some religions are of questionable taste
You're being judgemental. WHat happened to "live and let live"?
>and authority by
Ditto.
>no means excludes the existence of God. Science has done little if
>anything in "proving" that God does not exist.
It's done little to prove the easter bunny exists either.
Ok, I just made up a new deity. Klorth. "By the holy claws of Klortho
it isindeed a new morning". Prove he doesnt exist. You have
all the time in the world, and may consult any book you wish.
> Believing in God is a matter of faith, trust, and, believe
Believing in the easter bunny is a matter of faith, trust etc...
(The only differnce being, belief in the easter bunny doesnt give you
a state subsidized tax break if you decide to build places to worship
him, the one true legomorph)
Compare and contrast the number of peple who have died in the name of the
easter bunny with those that have been killed in the various names of god
and his heinous minions.
Oh, I just bought a weeping Madonna picture in a garage sale. Could
the faithful please start sending me money please ? god would want
that very much. If you don't believe, you have no faith.
John Loser
On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 13:23:22 -0700, Stephen Sobol
<stephe...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>The fact that some religions are of questionable taste and authority by
>no means excludes the existence of God. Science has done little if
>anything in "proving" that God does not exist.
..But he does exist... for he dwelleth between thine legs and controls
all we desire... all priests and ministers know this...have you not
been enlightened yet, my son?
If anything, it has done
>the opposite. Believing in God is a matter of faith, trust, and, believe
>or not, reason.
Timothy John Woelk
Richard J. Sexton uttered these immortal words:
>Ok, I just made up a new deity. Klorth. "By the holy claws of Klortho
>it isindeed a new morning". Prove he doesnt exist. You have
>all the time in the world, and may consult any book you wish.
I have just finished reading through my Dictionary, and have come across
many Deities which may or may not exist, with many different names.
I have also looked through the 'search' facility at the Public Library,
and have come across thousands of references of the name 'Jesus Christ'
and 'God' and other various deities.
However, the name Klorth has failed to appear.
Now, from this information and the fact that you just above mentioned
that you made this new deity up, and from the definitions of God that I
have come across over the years, Klorth does not exist.
As by definition, God (I'm talking specifically Judeo-Christian, Muslim
as well) is eternal, and therefore has existed forever in the past and will
continue to exist forever in the past. Klorth may indeed exist for you,
and if you wish to offer your nieghbour's cats as a sacrifice to Klorth,
you may, but your neighbor may not see eye to eye on this. But as soon as
you cease to exist, your diety will as well.
Richard J. Sexton
In article <umwoelk.842311600@toliman>,
>
>
>>Ok, I just made up a new deity. Klorth. "By the holy claws of Klortho
>>it isindeed a new morning". Prove he doesnt exist. You have
>>all the time in the world, and may consult any book you wish.
>
>I have just finished reading through my Dictionary, and have come across
>many Deities which may or may not exist, with many different names.
>I have also looked through the 'search' facility at the Public Library,
>and have come across thousands of references of the name 'Jesus Christ'
>and 'God' and other various deities.
>However, the name Klorth has failed to appear.
Try Alta Vista. Klortho exists for those who try to find him.
>Now, from this information and the fact that you just above mentioned
>that you made this new deity up, and from the definitions of God that I
>have come across over the years, Klorth does not exist.
AHHHH! Don't say that! He'll hear, Woe betise those who say his name in vein,
for he is a vengful g*d to nonbelievers. You will spend an eternity in
burning hellfiles for thinking such a scandalous thought.
>As by definition, God (I'm talking specifically Judeo-Christian, Muslim
>as well) is eternal, and therefore has existed forever in the past and will
>continue to exist forever in the past.
"By definition god is eternal" ? What the fuck kind of proof is that?
You're a loony.
>Klorth may indeed exist for you,
And many, Many other. Klortho has been around since time immerorial, or
at least since the movie _Ghostbuster_ came out.
>and if you wish to offer your nieghbour's cats as a sacrifice to Klorth,
>you may, but your neighbor may not see eye to eye on this. But as soon as
>you cease to exist, your diety will as well.
No, by definition, Klortho is eternal. Long after I'm dead, the faithful
will rise each morning as proclaim "By the Holy Claws of Klortho
it is indeed a fine morning!"
>/-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< From the Brain of Tim Woelk >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
You sure you want to advertise this?
Patrick Chung
On 9 Sep 1996, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
> >You sir, should be very ashamed of yourself and at the very least, you
> >should defend your agruments, because if you say you weren't asked to, I
> >will scoff at your pathetic attempts at coherent argument agin because I
> >am asking you to defend your view that every religion is senseless.
> >
> >God Bless,
>
> Idiot. Believing in god is for idiots that don't understand molecular biology.
I am sure there are a lot of molecular biologists who believe in god.
There are just a lot of idiots around the net who don't believe in god.
Peace be with you.
Pat Chung
CCCC CCCC C C C C CC C CCCC # My last name "CHUNG" means # TTYL
C C C CCCC C C C C C C CCC # clock in Cantonese as in #
CCCC C C C C C C CC C C # "Gey Deem Chung?" # JOY
C * CCCC C C CCCC C C CCCC # Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada # KING
Patrick Chung
On 9 Sep 1996, Timothy John Woelk wrote:
> Richard J. Sexton crawled out of his cave and uttered:
>
> >Your opinion.
>
> >Religion should not be allowed. If offends people sensabilities.
>
> >Myt opinion.
>
> >It was very creative and hunorous.
>
> >My opinion.
>
> >I'll allow your freedom of religion if you allow me to make fun of it.
If you guys stop making fun of religion then you won't get any further
post from me about religion. Deal?
Richard J. Sexton
In article <DxHpGq.IC...@torfree.net>,
John Lauzon <bk...@torfree.net> wrote:
>
>: This isn't a miracle. Parting of the Red Sea, now theres's a miracle...I
>: would think there are a lot more beneficial miracles God would rather
>: spend his time on then making bad paintings cry. I mean really. Why not
>: heal a bunch of folks? God is supposed to help those who ask, or who help
>: themselves. There are sure alot of folks asking for things other than
>: cheap crying statues and paintings.
>
>I doubt anyone asked for this to happen but if it's legitimate, it could
>mean that we should prepare ourselves for some hardships.
Phew. Back to normal then.
Normal, John, you wouldnt understand that. That's kinda the opposite
of being a loud obnoxious freaked out religious whacko.
Salaam Alakim,
--
Richard J. Sexton |
ric...@cabal.org | "By the holy claws of Klortho,
John Loser
>
>The fact that some religions are of questionable taste and authority by
>no means excludes the existence of God. Science has done little if
>anything in "proving" that God does not exist.
..But he does exist... for he dwelleth between thine legs and controls
all we desire... all priests and ministers know this...have you not
been enlightened yet, my son?
If anything, it has done
>the opposite. Believing in God is a matter of faith, trust, and, believe
>or not, reason.
>
>Stephen
Jason Smith
Richard J. Sexton wrote:
>
>
> Idiot. Believing in god is for idiots that don't understand molecular biology.
>
Actually, Richard, Blaise Pascal and Albert Einstein both believed in a
monotheistic god and knew their biology. Neither seem to be idiots to
me.
Many thinkers in the world have posited some very interesting
explanations and understandins of what god is. You might investigate
some of these before painting so many people with the same brush.
Jason Smith
Timothy John Woelk wrote:
> I have just finished reading through my Dictionary, and have come across
> many Deities which may or may not exist, with many different names.
> I have also looked through the 'search' facility at the Public Library,
> and have come across thousands of references of the name 'Jesus Christ'
> and 'God' and other various deities.
> However, the name Klorth has failed to appear.
Of course, your sources are just not up to date.
> Now, from this information and the fact that you just above mentioned
> that you made this new deity up, and from the definitions of God that I
> have come across over the years, Klorth does not exist.
Again, arguement from possibly stale and dated reference sources. This
conclusion is readily defeated by a simple attack on its premises.
> As by definition, God (I'm talking specifically Judeo-Christian, Muslim
> as well) is eternal, and therefore has existed forever in the past and will
> continue to exist forever in the past. Klorth may indeed exist for you,
> and if you wish to offer your nieghbour's cats as a sacrifice to Klorth,
> you may, but your neighbor may not see eye to eye on this. But as soon as
> you cease to exist, your diety will as well.
>
> Tim
>
Now then, what happens to your arguement if my dictionary says that Klorth is eternal?
Are you saying the eternality of God is based on a definition?
Richard J. Sexton
In article <DxHrCM.MM...@torfree.net>,
John Lauzon <bk...@torfree.net> wrote:
>
>True, we don't entirely understand all of the laws of how things work yet
>and we likely never will, so in the meantime we will have to rely on what
>our leading scientists have to say about the matter after they perform
>their intricate detailed analysis of the icon and tears, that is, if it's
>within their expertise.
Ice cubes and tape. Bwah ha ha ha ha.
"intricate detailed analysis". Hah.
I havn't got the heart to tell yo uyour babe in Bosnia is really
a hooker in NYC with a 976 number.
Oops.
You don't send her any money, do you John ?
Richard J. Sexton
In article <DxHqvz.LL...@torfree.net>,
John Lauzon <bk...@torfree.net> wrote:
>Jason Smith (p...@passport.ca) wrote:
>: Jonathan Voon wrote:
>: >
>: > You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our society
>: > today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are abusers
>: > of anything you do not know about or dislike.
>
>: First of all, the word is 'deduce.' Second, you have insufficent
>: evidence to justify a deduction of that kind.
>
>: > It is scary, but you also speak like an abuser. (rapist, thief, pedofile,
>: > etc,etc) ...
>: >
>
>: Those are very serious words. Do you understand what you are saying?
>: Better yet, does your attorney know what you are saying?
>
>Why,
Because you're gettng precariously close to slander and libel.
are you a two-bit lawyer Jason?
Hey, snappy comeback. Let me try that:
"Do you still frequent prostitutes, pay for their favours with crack, John?"
Richard J. Sexton
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960909...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>,
Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote:
>On 9 Sep 1996 ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca wrote:
>
>> : > Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
>> : >religion.
>>
>> why is that so? god made us and he was pleased - that includes humour
>> and i believe god likes to have some yuks like the rest of us. by the
> You remind me of the people who worshipped false gods when Moses
>was away.
What a coincidence. You remind me of the guy at the back of the
crown of assembled masses going "WOT! Bread and fishes AGAIN!!".
>Snipped away all your stupidity, so you won't lose face. :(
I left all yours in to prove yours.
>
>
> Pat Chung
>
> CCCC CCCC C C C C CC C CCCC # My last name "CHUNG" means # TTYL
> C C C CCCC C C C C C C CCC # clock in Cantonese as in #
> CCCC C C C C C C CC C C # "Gey Deem Chung?" # JOY
> C * CCCC C C CCCC C C CCCC # Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada # KING
What the FUCK *is it* about Manitoba ?
Richard J. Sexton
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.96090...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>,
Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote:
>
> I am sure there are a lot of molecular biologists who believe in god.
I'm sure a lot of molecular biologists believe in the flat earth, too.
>There are just a lot of idiots around the net who don't believe in god.
Any many who do.
>Peace be with you.
Ah! A universal constant.
> Pat Chung
>
> CCCC CCCC C C C C CC C CCCC # My last name "CHUNG" means # TTYL
> C C C CCCC C C C C C C CCC # clock in Cantonese as in #
> CCCC C C C C C C CC C C # "Gey Deem Chung?" # JOY
> C * CCCC C C CCCC C C CCCC # Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada # KING
Lose the .sig, willya ? It's really hideous. Perhaps oe that just
flashed "NEWBIE" in green neon would be a little less obtrusive.
Richard J. Sexton
In article <DxHp2z.HK...@torfree.net>,
John Lauzon <bk...@torfree.net> wrote:
>Jay North (Dennis) (jayn...@direct.ca) wrote:
>
>What's MY version of Christianity?
>
>
LOUD.
>
>--
> \ [P] / o<<<<<>>>>> "PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY" <<<<<>>>>>o \ [P] /
>-- [[[R]]] -- I extend to you who is reading this .sig the -- [[[R]]] --
> / [A] \ "SPECIAL BLESSING" of the "QUEEN OF PEACE" / [A] \
> / [Y] \ o<<<<<>>>>>"Our Lady of Medjugorje"<<<<<>>>>>o / [Y] \
And obnoxious.
John Lauzon
: wrote:
: >
: >With this little 13 peu church in such chaos, I wouldn't be surprised
: >that the icon is weeping, but it still has to be proven true or false.
: >
: >John
: Well, why don't you jump on the bandwagon? Your fellow christians are
: in trouble, why not jump to their aid, or do you prefer not to because
: it doesn't fit YOUR version of christianity?
What's MY version of Christianity?
John
Jason Smith
Patrick Chung wrote:
>
> You remind me of the people who worshipped false gods when Moses
> was away.
>
> Snipped away all your stupidity, so you won't lose face. :(
>
> Pat Chung
>
And you remind me of the Pharisees, whom Jesus said were white-washed
fences, holy on the outside and a pit of vipers on the inside. With
accusations like that, who are you to talk about face?
Patrick Chung
On 9 Sep 1996 ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca wrote:
> Brian Allardice (d...@uniserve.com) wrote:
> : In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960908...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>, Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> says:
> :
> : > Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
> : >religion.
>
> why is that so? god made us and he was pleased - that includes humour
> and i believe god likes to have some yuks like the rest of us. by the
You remind me of the people who worshipped false gods when Moses
was away.
Snipped away all your stupidity, so you won't lose face. :(
Pat Chung
CCCC CCCC C C C C CC C CCCC # My last name "CHUNG" means # TTYL
C C C CCCC C C C C C C CCC # clock in Cantonese as in #
CCCC C C C C C C CC C C # "Gey Deem Chung?" # JOY
C * CCCC C C CCCC C C CCCC # Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada # KING
nn
Jason Smith
Timothy John Woelk wrote:
>
> Richard J. Sexton crawled out of his cave and uttered:
Now isn't this Christian love at it's finest there Tim!
>
> >Your opinion.
>
> >Religion should not be allowed. If offends people sensabilities.
>
> >Myt opinion.
>
> >It was very creative and hunorous.
>
> >My opinion.
>
> >I'll allow your freedom of religion if you allow me to make fun of it.
>
> >If not, all bets are off.
>
> >Of course, satanism and witchcraft are relifions too, and no doubt
> >you make fun of those. Can you rationalise this or will you
> >babble on about how they arn't real religions, esposing an obnoxioulsy
> >self centric viewpoint?
>
> Spelling mistakes such as the ones above should not be allowed. It makes
> you look foolish, and on top of that, it makes me seiously doubt your
> level of intelligence.
BTW, Timmy, the world is "seriously."
You know something, Tim. I'll bet Richard doesn't give a shit about what
you think of his intellgence. But for fun, I'll let you know that I think
your remarks make me doubt the completeness of your toilet training.
> What are you basing your outright bashing of
> people who follow a religion? You have, above here, shown more hate than
> Ernst Zundel could in a lifetime. And I am not going to apologize for
> that statement, becasue it is true. It is extremely narrow minded of
> yourself to tell people that you have never met, whose reasons you have
> not heard that they are foolish and seseless.
Actually, if you *read* what Richard said, he's actually very tolerant of
the practice of others. He just dislikes the idea that people aren't big
enough to take a little jesting at their own expense. It seems clear
that you're such a person, Tim.
>
> You sir, should be very ashamed of yourself and at the very least, you
> should defend your agruments, because if you say you weren't asked to, I
> will scoff at your pathetic attempts at coherent argument agin because I
> am asking you to defend your view that every religion is senseless.
>
> God Bless,
> Tim
>
Is that a run-on sentence, Tim? "It makes you look foolish...it makes me seiously [sic]
doubt your level of intelligence." Oh and one more thing: I think it's rather inappropriate
to invoke God's name right after flaming. Somehow, I just don't see Him buying into
the behaviour.
Jason Smith
Stephen Sobol wrote:
> I fail to understand the need to call people names.
>
Sometimes it's fun at the time.
> The fact that some religions are of questionable taste and authority by
> no means excludes the existence of God. Science has done little if
> anything in "proving" that God does not exist. If anything, it has done
> the opposite. Believing in God is a matter of faith, trust, and, believe
> or not, reason.
>
> Stephen
Or, alternatively, it is a matter of choice and understanding.
David Iain Greig
Richard J. Sexton (ric...@news.vrx.net) wrote:
: >You sir, should be very ashamed of yourself and at the very least, you
: >will scoff at your pathetic attempts at coherent argument agin because I
: >am asking you to defend your view that every religion is senseless.
: >
: >God Bless,
: Idiot. Believing in god is for idiots that don't understand molecular biology.
God just uses evolution as his mechanism of creation. It's not
subject to disproof, at least.
Hie thee to talk.origins, and get an earful.
--D.
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John Lauzon
Andrew Kirk (nstn...@fox.nstn.ns.ca) wrote:
: In article <Dx5617.57...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
: Lauzon) wrote:
: > Sept 1/96
: >
: > This is taken from the Toronto Sun Newspaper.
: >
: > 'Miracle' tears at T.O. church
: >
: > by George Christopoulos
: >
: > TORONTO- Hundreds of people poured into a tiny east Toronto Greek Orthodox
: > Church yesterday to witness an icon of the Virigin Mary shedding tears.
: >
: > A replica of the original 750 A.D. icon of the Virgin Mary
: > beganweeping profusely at 11:30 a.m. leaving a large puddle below the
: > painting, Rev. Ieronimos Katseas tokd The Sun.
: This isn't a miracle. Parting of the Red Sea, now theres's a miracle...I
: would think there are a lot more beneficial miracles God would rather
: spend his time on then making bad paintings cry. I mean really. Why not
: heal a bunch of folks? God is supposed to help those who ask, or who help
: themselves. There are sure alot of folks asking for things other than
: cheap crying statues and paintings.
I doubt anyone asked for this to happen but if it's legitimate, it could
mean that we should prepare ourselves for some hardships.
: You could argue that every day is a miracle. Then again, I live in a nice
: house and have a job there are alot of folks who don't. For a lot of
: people survival is more important.
I naturally you thank God for your good fortune?
: Crying paintings and statues are cheap fraud and trickery. A crying
: replica.....sigh. It makes me sad and tired thinking about it.
If the tears are real, than obviously there wasted on you.
John Lauzon
Brian Allardice (d...@uniserve.com) wrote:
: In article <01bb9b4a$69300320$d3d6a3c6@venus>, "Karen S." <msa...@mbnet.mb.ca> says:
: >My husband did not appreciate your comment and is now looking for you !
: >GOOD LUCK.
: Not me.. It's that Lauzon chap you've got to watch out for....
: Cheers,
: dba
She doesn't have to look out for me Brian, but you should take your own
advise.
John Lauzon
Jason Smith (p...@passport.ca) wrote:
: Jonathan Voon wrote:
: >
: > You people are a prime example of the dirty mentality aflicting our society
: > today. From your language I must deduct that people like you are abusers
: > of anything you do not know about or dislike.
: >
: First of all, the word is 'deduce.' Second, you have insufficent
: evidence to justify a deduction of that kind.
: > It is scary, but you also speak like an abuser. (rapist, thief, pedofile,
: > etc,etc) ...
: >
: Those are very serious words. Do you understand what you are saying?
: Better yet, does your attorney know what you are saying?
Why, are you a two-bit lawyer Jason?
John Lauzon
Jason Smith (p...@passport.ca) wrote:
: John Lauzon wrote:
: >
: > Too bad because under investigation it would have been deemed a fake and a
: > waste of your time but how do you explain the ones that cannot be
: > explained away by scientific examination? :)
: >
: > John
: >
: Theologian Tom Harpur suggests it's because we don't entirely understand
: all of the laws of how things work yet. I'm not saying I entirely agree
: with him. However, it is true that sufficiently complex phenomenon can
: appear to be magical to people without the background information to
: interpret them. Before you jump all over this, John, do recognize it as
: an admitted partial-at-best attempt to shed some light on the debate.
True, we don't entirely understand all of the laws of how things work yet
and we likely never will, so in the meantime we will have to rely on what
our leading scientists have to say about the matter after they perform
their intricate detailed analysis of the icon and tears, that is, if it's
within their expertise.
John
John Lauzon
Jason Smith (p...@passport.ca) wrote:
: Karen S. wrote:
: >
: >
: > GOOD LUCK.
: Nothing like a little charity (read that as head-kicking) to the sinners
: when they step out of line. Christendom thanks you, Karen.
What was she responding to Jason, it seems you inadvertantly deleted it?
John Lauzon
Todd Howe (th...@io.org) wrote:
: On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 02:52:23 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
: wrote:
: >Apparantly all the icons have these lamps hanging in front of them and
: >this icon is the only one weeping, and again, how do you explain the
: >other ones around the world that cannot be explained away by scientific
: >means?
: Okay, I'll bite, and then you'll doubtless pull out some anecdotes
: which I have no way of verifying unless the alleged miracle happens to
: be within driving distance.
: The fact is, it's not up to rational secularists to attempt to
: 'explain away' a single thing - logically speaking, there can be no
: disproof of a negative.
You mean scientists cannot disprove this alleged phenomena?
; In this forum, the onus would be on you, John,
: to provide verifiable sources, and since that is obviously not
: possible, there's no point in referring to them. I'm content to
: dismiss all such claims as being antithetical to everything scientific
: induction has discovered about the nature of the world; and since that
: process has no room for faith, which Christianity or mysticism of any
: sort relies on, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Thank God Todd
John :)
Timothy John Woelk
In the first posting of this, you mentioned "Klorth"
Now, suddenly, you change the name to "Klortho".
And please don't say you just made him up, when in fact he's been around
since the Ghostbuster movies.
Some consistency on your part would be appreciated to further this
conversation.
Tim
--
/-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< From the Brain of Tim Woelk >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
Timothy John Woelk
>I havn't got the heart to tell yo uyour babe in Bosnia is really
>a hooker in NYC with a 976 number.
What in the world does this have to do with what he said?
>Oops.
>You don't send her any money, do you John ?
Now really...
I think you sir, have to get a grip on some reality. You have to realize
that the other people on the other end of these messages are in fact
real, and do in fact have Faith that God exists.
You are showing no more convincing attitudes to the atheism you profess
(I assume that is what you are doing, if not, feel free to correct me, I
apologize).
And as to earlier, mentioning that horrors have been commited in the name
of various gods, that is true. Humans are not perfect, and do not always
do what is right.
But what has happened in the name of no religion?
Stalin shot my grandfather's because they were preachers and pacifists
living in his country, and in no way did they ever do anything that was
deserving of the fate that befell them in the 1930s.
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca
Stephen Sobol (stephe...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
: Richard J. Sexton wrote:
: >
: > >You sir, should be very ashamed of yourself and at the very least, you
: > >should defend your agruments, because if you say you weren't asked to, I
: > >will scoff at your pathetic attempts at coherent argument agin because I
: > >am asking you to defend your view that every religion is senseless.
: > >
: > >God Bless,
: >
: > Idiot. Believing in god is for idiots that don't understand molecular biology.
or scrabble for dyslexics
: >
: > --
: >
: > Richard J. Sexton | VRx Network Services - WWW & UseNet R&D
: > ric...@vrx.net | ISDN/ATM, Natural science, recycled karma.
: > | ANTIQUE WRISTWATCHES: HTTP://WWW.FINERTIMES.COM
:
: I fail to understand the need to call people names.
:
hmmm...well wally petooka is the expert on that one what with his
trotskyite left lib sucker of gubmint teats or whatever -- people
in the bible call other people names like, oh i dunno, sinners,
etc...
: The fact that some religions are of questionable taste and authority by
: no means excludes the existence of God. Science has done little if
: anything in "proving" that God does not exist. If anything, it has done
: the opposite. Believing in God is a matter of faith, trust, and, believe
: or not, reason.
:
: Stephen
:
if something happens and your house is destroyed, someone might call
it an act of god. but how do you know god did it? did you *see* him do
it? did he say 'that's right fred, i'm going to obliterate that stephen's
house later on. ya wanna join me?' if it was an act of god, then doesn't
that presuppose that god exists and is either (a) a klutz or (b) a
regular shitdisturber that has a propensity for destroying stuff.
like hurricane hortense. act of god? could be. who else did it? oh,
i know...mother nature. hmmm...another mythical figure. 'hello, mutual
of omaha? god just wrecked my garage again.'
ogre...@oncomdis.on.ca
Cam Mayor (ma...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960908...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>,
: >
: > Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
: >religion.
: a) Go read Fahrenheit 451. There's a specific section i want you to read,
: but i can't find my copy right now.
i burned mine, he he he! (sorry, couldn't resist the JOKE!)
:
: b) You believe that your god is omnipotent. Does this not also allow for
: him/her to have an all-powerful sense of humour? (answer: of
: course it does!) If god can laugh at satire, why can't you?
: Why gives a shit if it offends _people_? Offending your god is
: what should matter to you.
:
: cam
there ya go! religion always makes G(g)od out to be some kind of huffy
uptight prude that eats flavourless chewing gum ... he's a regular guy
or woman or whatever with the same b.s. stresses on him times infinity
as the average putz. plus i'll bet he hates cable tv too!
Brian Allardice
In article <umwoelk.842311600@toliman>, umw...@cc.umanitoba.ca (Timothy John Woelk) says:
>As by definition, God (I'm talking specifically Judeo-Christian, Muslim
>as well) is eternal, and therefore has existed forever in the past and will
>continue to exist forever in the past.
Sounds about right...... he sure ain't here...
Cheers,
dba
Bob Richards
In article <512g2s$m...@ns1.vrx.net>, ric...@news.vrx.net (Richard J.
Sexton) wrote:
> >I doubt anyone asked for this to happen but if it's legitimate, it could
> >mean that we should prepare ourselves for some hardships.
>
> Phew. Back to normal then.
>
> Normal, John, you wouldnt understand that. That's kinda the opposite
> of being a loud obnoxious freaked out religious whacko.
You must have been in a rush.You left out "stupid".
Richard J. Sexton
In article <umwoelk.842322414@castor>,
Timothy John Woelk <umw...@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
>
>I think you sir, have to get a grip on some reality. You have to realize
>that the other people on the other end of these messages are in fact
>real, and do in fact have Faith that God exists.
Great. Now if only they'd keep it to themselves.
Or at least keep it in newsgroups that WANT such messages.
Iain Grant
ric...@news.vrx.net (Richard J. Sexton) wrote:
>Phew. Back to normal then.
>Normal, John, you wouldnt understand that. That's kinda the opposite
>of being a loud obnoxious freaked out religious whacko.
What if _THAT_ is normal... and we're all warped ?
>Salaam Alakim,
Amen.
Ig.
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Richard J. Sexton
In article <umwoelk.842322298@castor>,
>
>Now, suddenly, you change the name to "Klortho".
>
>And please don't say you just made him up, when in fact he's been around
>since the Ghostbuster movies.
>
>Some consistency on your part would be appreciated to further this
>conversation.
Klortho does not permit such things. He is Eternal. He was here before
time and will be here after man has long run his course.
YOu are not permitted to know the inner sanctum secrets of Klortho.
But, for $29.95 I can send you some information.
Cash, check, Visa and Amex accepted.
.
.
. Hey L. Ron
. Snagged another
.
.
>/-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< Pity the Brain of Tim Woelk >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
Patrick Chung
On 9 Sep 1996, Cam Mayor wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960908...@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>,
> Patrick Chung <met...@freenet.mb.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Satire on religion should not be allowed, for it offends people's
> >religion.
>
> a) Go read Fahrenheit 451. There's a specific section i want you to read,
> but i can't find my copy right now.
What is that?
>
> b) You believe that your god is omnipotent. Does this not also allow for
> him/her to have an all-powerful sense of humour? (answer: of
> course it does!) If god can laugh at satire, why can't you?
I am sure he does not have a *pervert sense of humour* like
many of you guys.
Do you know what type of satire god laughs at?
If so please tell us all.
> Why gives a shit if it offends _people_? Offending your god is
> what should matter to you.
It shows that you are a jerk, snob and have a lack
of sensitivity towards other people religion.
Brian Allardice
>She doesn't have to look out for me Brian, but you should take your own
>advise.
What fun! Vade retro, you horny son of Satan.....
Cheers,
dba
John Lauzon
: > <322F9F...@passport.ca>...
: >
: > > Respect is earned as much as it is conceded. Right now, you appear to be
: >
: > > very smug and self-righteous. Jesus said 'Let him who is without sin
: > > cast the first stone.' Maybe you should consider his advice when judging
: >
: > > those you consider to be your moral inferior.
: >
Too late Jason, your insulting, evil minded friend has already cast the
first stone!
: >
: > > I happen to think you demonstrate obsessive tendancies. Can you take the
: >
: > > challenge of turning the other cheek? I happen to think that most people
: >
: > > are capable of that. Show us that you are.
: >
Jason, didn't you know it's an act of mercy to correct a sinner, by asking
to turn the other cheek will only encourage him to continue his
destructive sinful ways, how do you expect him to repent and return to God
if you continue to protect him from correction, you wouldn't want to be
responsible for his damnation... or would you? :)
John
Andrew kirk
In article <DxHpGq.IC...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
Lauzon) wrote:
I wrote this bit:
> : You could argue that every day is a miracle. Then again, I live in a nice
> : house and have a job there are alot of folks who don't. For a lot of
> : people survival is more important.
John Replied:
>
> I naturally you thank God for your good fortune?
No, I think it was hard work and timing. Reminds me of a comedy bit from
somewhere where the comic mentions that you see sports players in
interviews thanking Jesus for a "win", but you neber hear them saying;"
Jesus made me fumble that ball in the tird quarter...cost us the game,
Jesus doesn't like us, just hates the team...."
Me again:
>
> : Crying paintings and statues are cheap fraud and trickery. A crying
> : replica.....sigh. It makes me sad and tired thinking about it.
>
> If the tears are real, than obviously there wasted on you.
>
> John
>
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Thank you for your Christian charity. I don't know you, I don't believe
the tears of this crying painting are real. I am sorry you are so easily
fooled, so desperate to be fooled. I do not wish you ill. I am sorry that
in your belief system you would believe I am beyond redemption. I thought
God (or his minions including saints and angels) loved everyone whether
they believed, were not sure or didn't believe. In my father's house are
many rooms...rooms for everyone.
--
Andrew Kirk-Violinmaker
1585 Barrington St.
Halifax, NS
Can
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