Usenet: Very Civil War (Re: The November 7th meeting & my ass)
Bob Allisat
karl mamer <kam...@zap.io.org> wrote:
>...Too bad you're the king of pausing for
>uncivil behaviour. Dejanews kinda backs
> me up on this one...
>
>Various instance of boB demonstrating>
>uncivil behaviour:
Usenet is an extended open
editorial page of opinions
and conflict, humour and
disagreements freedom and
license. IT IS NOT REALITY.
Have you, Mr. Mamer, ever
particpated in one actual
face to face meeting in
which I was also there?
Have you Mr. Mamer ever
met me, Bob Allisat, in
person?
Furtehrmore: Is there anyone
out there who can quote
any instance in public
or private where I have
engaged in any uncivil
actual in person real
behaviour? Come on. I'm
waiting. Still waiting...
And, before you put your
foot in your mouth again -
writing is extremely civil
behaviour. If all our wars
were engaged in words this
world would be a beautiful
place.
If I can't say fuck
I can't say fuck off Mike Harris.
In Solidarity!
Bob Allisat wo...@fcn.net
Facilitator, (416) 588-0670
Free Community Network http://www.fcn.net
Bob Allisat
Karl Mamer <kam...@zap.io.org> wrote:
:...Too bad you're the king of pausing for
:uncivil behaviour. Dejanews kinda backs
: me up on this one...
I, Bob Allisat, wrote:
> Have you, Mr. Mamer, ever
> particpated in one actual
> face to face meeting in
> which I was also there?
> Have you Mr. Mamer ever
> met me, Bob Allisat, in
> person?
>
> Furtehrmore: Is there anyone
> out there who can quote
> any instance in public
> or private where I have
> engaged in any uncivil
> actual in person real
> behaviour? Come on. I'm
> waiting. Still waiting...
Karl Mamer Replied:
:Ah, I have heard rumors, from people who's opinion
:I trust, that you are indeed a very swell person
:in person. Yet, as a person running for various
:offices, you don't really have the opporuntiy
:to meet every parkdale or tfn voter in
:person do you? What the average voter sees
:is just what I quoted: a foul-mouthed, insulting
:git who demands civil behaviour but doesn't
:extend it. Again, track record boB. People
:don't make decisions based on who you think
:you are but on who they think you are.
:
I will worry about reality,
Karl. And if it takes ten
years for people to figure
their way out about my humble
self and if it takes me that
long to meet everyone so be it.
Usenet is ENTERTAINMENT with
a very little news mixed in.
My life experiences and record
of accomplishments stand. My
real world reputation stands.
I am not a person to be crossed
or tricked or lied to and I will
defend those things I hold dear -
environmental healing, civil
liberty, human rights, freedom
of expression, social justice -
I will defend these core truths
to the end. Without flinching
or hesitating. So should all
citizens...
Bob Allisat
Stephen Mercer
In article <5652qc$f...@ns1.vrx.net>, Bob Allisat <b...@news.vrx.net> wrote:
>
>karl mamer <kam...@zap.io.org> wrote:
>>...Too bad you're the king of pausing for
>>uncivil behaviour. Dejanews kinda backs
>> me up on this one...
>>
>>uncivil behaviour:
>
> disagreements freedom and
> license. IT IS NOT REALITY.
Says you. There's plently of people who consider this medium an extension
of thier day-to-day physical interactions. Because of the Internet, I can
communicate with my family, friends, and colleagues worldwide.
You, OTOH, seem to consider this your personal spouting ground, where you
can make ad-homenim attacks with impunity. We always come back to that. You'd
think you'd catch on, and maybe look in the mirror once in a while. Of course,
you won't.
> blah blah blah blah blah
> Have you Mr. Mamer ever
> met me, Bob Allisat, in
> person?
After some of the purile dreck you've spit at some people here, Bob,
why would he [or Ms. Lee, or anyone else you've electronically vomited
on] want to? How's that for unreality? Why should anyone give you the
benefit of the doubt IRL, when you obviously won't even do that here
[where it don't even matter, by your logic]?
> out there who can quote
> any instance in public
> or private where I have
> engaged in any uncivil
> actual in person real
> behaviour? Come on. I'm
> waiting. Still waiting...
Again, who'd want to bother taking the chance of being the 'in-person'
victim of what you obviously have no problem spitting out on Usenet?
> Blah blah blah blah blah
> writing is extremely civil
> behaviour. If all our wars
> were engaged in words this
> world would be a beautiful
> place.
Sh'yeah, right. Writing is as civil as the word being written. If our only
crimes were of words, Bob, you'd be sitting in a docket, saying, "We only
did as we were told...". Chew on that, O Columnarily Challenged One...
> If I can't say fuck
> I can't say fuck off Mike Harris.
Ooo! Where'd you borrow that one, I wonder?
It doesn't help you that Karl merely quoted you verbatim.
Stop hiding behind the keyboard.
--
--
Stephen Mercer <mer...@nortel.ca>
I don't speak for Nortel, or anyone else, for that matter.
Omni quando flunkis moritati
karl mamer
Bob Allisat wrote:
>
> karl mamer <kam...@zap.io.org> wrote:
> >...Too bad you're the king of pausing for
> >uncivil behaviour. Dejanews kinda backs
> > me up on this one...
> Have you, Mr. Mamer, ever
> particpated in one actual
> face to face meeting in
> which I was also there?
> Have you Mr. Mamer ever
> met me, Bob Allisat, in
> person?
>
> Furtehrmore: Is there anyone
> out there who can quote
> any instance in public
> or private where I have
> engaged in any uncivil
> actual in person real
> behaviour? Come on. I'm
> waiting. Still waiting...
Ah, I have heard rumors, from people who's opinion
I trust, that you are indeed a very swell person
in person. Yet, as a person running for various
offices, you don't really have the opporuntiy
to meet every parkdale or tfn voter in
person do you? What the average voter sees
is just what I quoted: a foul-mouthed, insulting
git who demands civil behaviour but doesn't
extend it. Again, track record boB. People
don't make decisions based on who you think
you are but on who they think you are.
--
"Yes, take your cue from Mr Mamer, the professional antagonist."
-- John Lauzon <bk...@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Bob Allisat
Stephen Mercer <mer...@bnr.ca> wrote:
> ...There's plently of people who consider this medium an extension
>of thier day-to-day physical interactions.
Not I. None of the people
I work with, meet in the
neighbourhood, do my daily
business with are included
in this Brave New World. It
is unreal, bizairre and useful
for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only.
Bob Allisat
Yuri Kuchinsky
Bob Allisat (b...@news.vrx.net) wrote:
: Furtehrmore: Is there anyone
: out there who can quote
: any instance in public
: or private where I have
: engaged in any uncivil
: actual in person real
: behaviour? Come on. I'm
: waiting. Still waiting...
Does this mean b0b is now officially admitting he's schizoid? Split
personality, for sure... He's one person "in person", and another online?
Yuri.
--
Yuri Kuchinsky | "Where there is the Tree of Knowledge, there
------------------------| is always Paradise: so say the most ancient
Toronto ... the Earth | and the most modern serpents." F. Nietzsche
-------- A WEBPAGE LIKE ANY OTHER: http://www.io.org/~yuku -----------
Graham Bullers
Yuri Kuchinsky (bg...@torfree.net) wrote:
: Bob Allisat (b...@news.vrx.net) wrote:
: : Furtehrmore: Is there anyone
: : out there who can quote
: : any instance in public
: : or private where I have
: : engaged in any uncivil
: : actual in person real
: : behaviour? Come on. I'm
: : waiting. Still waiting...
: Does this mean b0b is now officially admitting he's schizoid? Split
: personality, for sure... He's one person "in person", and another online?
: Yuri.
Yuri next year when you dial into TFN if their is a TFN,it will be
possible because of the people who volunteered their time.
Yuri what are you going to do to save the TFN?.
Graham-John Bullers
: --
: Yuri Kuchinsky | "Where there is the Tree of Knowledge, there
: ------------------------| is always Paradise: so say the most ancient
: Toronto ... the Earth | and the most modern serpents." F. Nietzsche
: -------- A WEBPAGE LIKE ANY OTHER: http://www.io.org/~yuku -----------
--
=-=-Graham-John Bullers-=-=-www.Freenet.Edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html-=-=
Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.The courage
to change the things I can.And the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people
-=-=-I had to kill because they pissed me off.-=-=-alt.2600.moderated-=-=-
Burke Haworth
Bob Allisat (b...@news.vrx.net) wrote:
: Not I. None of the people
: I work with, meet in the
: neighbourhood, do my daily
: business with are included
: in this Brave New World. It
: is unreal, bizairre and useful
: for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only.
: Bob Allisat
Assuming that there are in fact two seperate worlds in which you
operate, Bob, This Brave New World here, and "Bob's Neighbourhood",
which world's inhabitants do believe are going to vote for you?
If memory serves, I believe I read somewhere that the vote for the
TFN Board was going to take place on the TFN itself. Unless the
people that you meet in your neighbourhood everyday have computers,
modems and TFN accounts I fear your campaign may be in trouble. You
are hiding all that civil behaviour from the people who most need
to see it, in whose hands rest the fate of the TFN.
I suggest turning the tables. You could try saving the F-word for
your neighbours and maybe perhaps something along the lines of,say,
a Ward Cleaver or Ozzie Nelson type of personna for us potential
Bob Allisat voters here in the Brave New World. What do you think?
Might be worth a try.
Bob Allisat
I, Bob Allisat, wrote the following about Usenet
specifically and the Internet in general:
>> Not I. None of the people
>> I work with, meet in the
>> neighbourhood, do my daily
>> business with are included
>> in this Brave New World. It
>> is unreal, bizairre and useful
>> for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only.
Stephen Mercer <st...@viking.ocunix.on.ca> wrote (reformated):
> Well, instead of browbeating us, howzabout donating the cash to pick up a
>couple VT100 terminals, and showing your neighbours how to use 'em? We don't
>live in Parkdale, you do.
>(edit)
> So, whose fault is it that you've such a narrow vision? I've gotten
>information on a myriad of things here, on much more than just entertainment,
>or computing topics. While you rant here, people are having actual [and
>interesting] discussions in science in the sci.* newsgroups. While you're
>pontificating, people are in rec.pets, exchanging ideas on how to care for
>thier pets. While you're busy trying to 'save the TFN!', a much bigger
>network of people are out there, researching info on the Web. And while
>you're busy trying to get a bit more power and control, other people are
>busy writing up new FAQs and web pages with real information in them to
>share with other people. The 'Net may be entertaining, but it's a damn sight
>more than that, and you're attitude is just an obstacle.
> You talk a mean talk, Bob, saying 'what has X done for the TFN lately?'.
>Not everybody is a TFN member - some of us even have thier own systems to
>run. But what have you done for the 'Net? Talked a lot, certainly.
>You've ripped into it as the 'playground of the white rich eliteist male
>compter nerd'. Yet, you've run two systems yourself, pcs.org, and non.com,
>which failed, and you want to take control of one of the largest services in
>Toronto. Your record aside, why even get involved with the medium, if it's
>so patently useless? No, don't answer that. I'm certain I'll have already
>read your canned answer somewhere else. Probably something to do with 'the
>Solidatiry of the People!', or 'rising against the elite of the Net!', or
>even 'Save the TFN from itself!'.
> You know what you _could_ do, Bob? Your an instructor. Donate some of
>your time to the people in Parkdale, who don't know anything about the 'Net,
>or the Web, and teach 'em what you know about it. Hell, start your pcs.org
>server again, and tutor people for a hour. The idea works - Russell McOrmond
>has been running Flora [flora.ottawa.on.ca] for at least 2 years that I've
>known, with no problems. You could take some ideas from him. _That'd_ be a
>worthwhile thing to do.
> I dunno why I wrote that last paragraph. Bob has never been one to take
>advice, tho he's quite willing to give it [in a most *ahem* 'direct' fashion].
>Best bet is he pays some lip service to the idea. Worst case, he tears into
>me with some silly ad-homenim attack, questioning my heritage, or that I'm
>some 'eliteist, self-serving, rich while male geek' [I'm sure he can tell
>that by the way I type]. My bet is he ignores it. Maybe I'm hoping somebody
>else will give it a shot. 'Cause, if Bob ever got one thing right, it's
>that there are people out there who have no method whatsoever of accessing
>this medium.
> That's my exercise in futility for today....
Promises time....
Parkdale Community Server will
rise again. I have brought up
the recreation of PCS at TFCN
(Toronto Free Community Network)
meetings. I have a lot of ground
work to do but I am on the case.
You may, cynicallay comment that
this is the time to cut and run -
but I am sincere.
Any assistance from Parkdaleans
and other citizans would be most
appreciated.
Bob Allisat
Platform
^^^^^^^^
http://spadina.torfree.net:2001/agm96/candidates/allisat
Bio
^^^
http://spadina.torfree.net:2001/agm96/candidates/allisat.bio
Recomended Candidates
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Patrick Burton Dmytri Kleiner
Alex MacKinnon Marc Bissonnette
Colin McGregor Tom Evans
David Jones Gard Abrahamsen
Thomas Main Richard van Abbe.
Bob Allisat Eugene Kashpureff
.
Stephen Mercer
In article <567po1$3...@ns1.vrx.net>, Bob Allisat <b...@news.vrx.net> wrote:
>
>Stephen Mercer <mer...@bnr.ca> wrote:
>> ...There's plently of people who consider this medium an extension
>>of thier day-to-day physical interactions.
>
> I work with, meet in the
> neighbourhood, do my daily
> business with are included
> in this Brave New World. It
Well, instead of browbeating us, howzabout donating the cash to pick up a
couple VT100 terminals, and showing your neighbours how to use 'em? We don't
live in Parkdale, you do.
> is unreal, bizairre and useful
> for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only.
>
> Bob Allisat
Walter Petelka
karl mamer <kam...@io.org> wrote:
>:]Bob Allisat wrote:
>:]>
>:]> karl mamer <kam...@zap.io.org> wrote:
>:]> >...Too bad you're the king of pausing for
>:]> >uncivil behaviour. Dejanews kinda backs
>:]> > me up on this one...
>:]
>:]> Have you, Mr. Mamer, ever
>:]> particpated in one actual
>:]> face to face meeting in
>:]> which I was also there?
>:]> Have you Mr. Mamer ever
>:]> met me, Bob Allisat, in
>:]> person?
>:]>
>:]> Furtehrmore: Is there anyone
>:]> out there who can quote
>:]> any instance in public
>:]> or private where I have
>:]> engaged in any uncivil
>:]> actual in person real
>:]> behaviour? Come on. I'm
>:]> waiting. Still waiting...
>:]
>:]Ah, I have heard rumors, from people who's opinion
>:]I trust, that you are indeed a very swell person
>:]in person. Yet, as a person running for various
>:]offices, you don't really have the opporuntiy
>:]to meet every parkdale or tfn voter in
>:]person do you? What the average voter sees
>:]is just what I quoted: a foul-mouthed, insulting
>:]git who demands civil behaviour but doesn't
I have been around a while in Usenet Groups and from day 1I have seen
the constant bickering back and forth between BA, his detractors, his
supporters, etc.
I took me about a week to decide that BA had no opinions or thoughts
that I cared about and I just don't read any of his messages and
normally don't get involved in any discussions based on his postings.
But it seems to me that the verbal intercourse just encourages
him......why do people continue to communicate with him when they must
know they will never "win."
Maybe there should be mandatory labelling, as on cigarette packages, to
warn newcomers........
>:]extend it. Again, track record boB. People
>:]don't make decisions based on who you think
>:]you are but on who they think you are.
>:]
>:]--
>:]"Yes, take your cue from Mr Mamer, the professional antagonist."
>:] -- John Lauzon <bk...@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Walter Petelka
idirect.com
TORONTO, Ont..
Stephen Mercer
In article <56fpdd$h...@ns1.vrx.net>, Bob Allisat <b...@news.vrx.net> wrote:
[snipped. Might as well go back and look for it, if ya don't know.]
> Promises time....
Oh, stop promising, Bob. Just go out and do it.
> Parkdale Community Server will
> rise again. I have brought up
> the recreation of PCS at TFCN
> (Toronto Free Community Network)
> meetings. I have a lot of ground
> work to do but I am on the case.
Lip service it is.
> You may, cynicallay comment that
> this is the time to cut and run -
> but I am sincere.
Now, Bob, where do I say 'cut and run'?
> Any assistance from Parkdaleans
> and other citizans would be most
> appreciated.
Yet, Bob writes:
>>> Not I. None of the people
>>> I work with, meet in the
>>> neighbourhood, do my daily
>>> business with are included
>>> in this Brave New World. It
Bit useless to call for Parkdaleans to gather 'round your standard, as it
were, when no one can hear your call.
jaalgo
b...@news.vrx.net (Bob Allisat) wrote:
>Stephen Mercer <mer...@bnr.ca> wrote:
>> ...There's plently of people who consider this medium an extension
>>of thier day-to-day physical interactions.
> Not I. None of the people
> I work with, meet in the
> neighbourhood, do my daily
> business with are included
> in this Brave New World. It
> is unreal, bizairre and useful
> for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only.
Crap, as usual. In the last two years I have "met" relatives from
around the world, researched several articles, and greatly increased
my knowledge of subjects ranging from WWII to archaeology.