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Ian Murray

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Aug 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/10/00
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Four Toronto cops apparently beat a 55 year old man to death after they
were called to a convenience store to investigate an argument among some
customers. Witnesses said the man walked calmly out of the store with
the police, and once outside, they shoved him to the ground and began
an unprovoked attack, which left him dead. Two witnesses, recent
immigrants from Pakistan, who watched the attack from across the road
remarked that things like this don't happen in civilized countries.

They'll get off, of course. They always do.


Dave Smith

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Aug 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/10/00
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Ian Murray wrote:

> Two witnesses, recent
> immigrants from Pakistan, who watched the attack from across the road
> remarked that things like this don't happen in civilized countries.

Immigrants? According to the newspaper article I read, they were recent
refugees. So that leaves me wondering what they seeking refuge from.
.


Louis Johnson

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Aug 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/10/00
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Ian Murray (koyo...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Four Toronto cops apparently beat a 55 year old man to death after they

: were called to a convenience store to investigate an argument among some
: customers. Witnesses said the man walked calmly out of the store with
: the police, and once outside, they shoved him to the ground and began
: an unprovoked attack, which left him dead. Two witnesses, recent

: immigrants from Pakistan, who watched the attack from across the road
: remarked that things like this don't happen in civilized countries.

: They'll get off, of course. They always do.

whoaaaa.... bonus dude..... a reposting of the last upload from july...

THE COPCRIME CHRONICLES
-----------------------

updated as at: July 14, 2000

murder, rape, weapons offenses, official corruption,
robbery, mayhem of all kinds, in all ranks and regions
all done by COPS who have chosen on their own to commit
CRIMES including MOLESTING AND RAPING CHILDREN,
DEALING IN STOLEN FIREARMS, BANK ROBBERY AND MURDER

format:
<source> <date> <page> <HEADLINE(IN CAPS)>
<"quotation(s) from the article"> and
<-optional editorial commentary on the incident>
<date> format is YY/MM/DD. YY 00, 01, are 2000, 2001 etc.
<sources> are:
GM = globe & mail,
TS = toronto star
HS = hamilton spectator
others as indicated: Ottawa Citizen, National Post,
Toronto Sun, Frank (for the comic relief); and others

citations are in reverse chronological order: most recent first.
those with 4 asterix **** in the title line are the really
BAD ones and can be found by a search for the **** string.

the full articles are available in the archives at your local
library, feel free to:
- add to the list and repost in other groups,
- mail copies to police boards, victims of cops, human rights
organizations, lawyers involved in cases of police abuse;
- consult with the publishers and public record for details

so with no further delay and fanfare, here they are.....

THE COPCRIME CHRONICLES
-----------------------

TS 00/07/11 OFFICER CHARGED AFTER PARTY. WOMAN SAYS SHE WAS
ASSAULTED
"a toronto police officer has been charged with SEXUAL ASSAULT
involving a 20-year-old woman ... constable anton weber, 38
[almost TWICE the age of the victim] [was] charged yesterday....
weber ... faces TWENTY FIVE police services act charges involving
allegations of stalking and RAPE.
- hmmm, some sort of jack the ripper in the making???

TS 00/07/10 POLICE WARNED ABOUT KILLER?
"two kitchener-area women say they had been warning police, court
officials and child care workers since 1997 that [murder suicide
killer] bill luft was armed, dangerous ... the two women say
their concerns were either not taken seriously or not
investigated thoroughly"
- umm, not investigated, not taken seriously, its the SAME thing!

TS 00/06/27 OPOLICE MUST RETURN MAN'S MARIJUANA
"jim wakeford ... the first canadian granted legal permission to
smoke and grow marijuana has won a court order forcing peel
region police to return a shipment of the drug"
- medical research has shown that the naturally occurring
intoxicant of hemp has properties that alleviate side effects of,
for example, chemotherapy. but the cops heads 9pun intended) are
stuck in the 50s, frantically attempting anything to justify
their jobs and maintain a fiction.

TS 00/06/27 REVAMPING SIU WOULD BE 'TERRIBLE IDEA' CRITICS SAY
LAWYER SLAMS BID TO HAVE POLICE INVESTIGATE POLICE
- and what always happens eventally, and in increasing frequency,
when the watchdog investigates the watchdog? COVERUP. ALWAYS.

Toronto Sun 00/06/24 pg 15 LETTER OF THE DAY
"when I approached the police to ask that they help protect me
from this behaviour, I was ... told there is nothing we can do"
-can? or will do?

TS 00/06/22 B4 TORONTO CONSTABLE FACES SECOND SEX ASSAULT CHARGE
"constable kieth davis ... wil fac additional count on each
charge involving a 35-year-old prisoner"
-something out of a cheap detective novel, but this is the
REALITY of cops with badges, guns, and attitude.

TS 00/06/14 A28 LAWSUIT SETTLED OVER IPPERWASH. BAND COUNCILLOR
SEVERELY INJURED BY OPP OFFICERS
"[Bernard] George, a Kettle and Stoney Point band councillor had
ATTEMPTED TO TALK HEAVILY ARMED OFFICERS OUT OF CONFRONTING A
GROUP OF NATIVES who were occupying the park"
-but the cops were bent on mayhem, destruction and violence,
so the man who attempts to mediate gets pulverized by the cops.

TS 00/06/13 A21 PARTYING POLICE DIED IN CRASH AFTER DRUNK-DRIVING
COURSE OFFICER WHO DROVE DRANK BEFORE LOSING CONTROL, TRIAL TOLD
- very bizarre. out celebrating the end of their course on how to
identify and process drunk driving incidents... by getting drunk
and driving..... very bizarre.

TS 00/05/10 A4 EMBATTLED POLICE CHIEF RETIRING IN NIAGARA
" . . . faced criticism on TWO fronts: the union representing
rank-and-file oficers AND the police services board... in
december the services board issued a 3-page news release
'expressing concern' about the [now EX!!] chief's performance"

TS 00/05/06 B1 OFFICERS FACING 270 CHARGES, CASE INVOLVES
SKIMMING FROM 'FINK FUND'
- !%@$#^%! two hundred and SEVENTY charges?!?!! oooyph!!!

TS 00/04/29 B4 OFFICERS USED CUFFS, CURSES IN RAID, TEEN SAYS
"the Etobicoke youth, who was 14 when the incident occurred,
testified yesterday ... he was told to get on his knees and was
handcuffed. He was then taken to the side of the house[with snow
on the ground] and left facing the wall. he was barefoot and
skimpily clad ..."
- why all the rough stuff?

TS 00/04/28 front page HANCOX AFFAIR: 5 OFFICERS ACCUSED
"including a SUPERINTENDENT"
- you got that? a bigshot is going DOWN because of THIS one.

National Post 00/04/28 A8 OFFICER SHOOTS OFF TOE
- it could have been worse!!!

TS 00/04/27 A24 OFICER CHARGED IN FATAL BEATING
DEATH OF HOMELESS MAN IN MONTREAL PROMPTED CLAIMS OF A
P O L I C E C O V E R-U P
"charged with manslaughter and . . . aggravated assault"

TS 00/04/17 B3 OFFICER MUST APOLOGIZE TO MAN HE ATTACKED
"an off-duty police officer CONVICTED of an UNPROVOKED attack on
a newspaper delivery man has been sentenced . . ."
- he should be made PERMANENTLY off-duty

TS 00/04/14 A7 OFFICER CHARGED
"a long-serving Edmonton police sergeant is facing charges of
SEXUAL ASSAULT police said yesterday. he allegedly assaulted a
woman IN HER HOME in nearby St Albert in mid-March, while on
duty. The force refused to identify him."
and on the same page:
HACKER GUILTY
"a man pleaded guilty to hacking into Montreal police phone
system..."
-thereby compromising investigations, personal information, etc
the cops are SUPPOSED to PROTECT that kind of stuff from
outsiders...

TS 00/04/12 A10 (see article from 00/04/11)
SLAIN WOMAN'S BROTHER HOPEFUL
-this is the body count:
peter sopow, an rcmp officer, shot in a trailer,
his friend lorraine mcnab, shot at the same time and place,
albert shultz, beaten to death 6 weeks later,
melinda white, disappeared and discovered dead 4 months later,
and the holding cell victim, oughta be interesting to see if the
killings cease with the mountie's arrest....

**** TS 00/04/11 A3 MOUNTIE CHARGED IN JAIL DEATH,
ALBERTA MAN SHOT IN HOLDING CELL
"a veteran rcmp constable has been charged with SECOND-DEGREE
MURDER in the death of a man .... varley's death was the FIFTH
violent slaying in just over two years in pincher creek, 200
kilometers south of calgary"
- or is that 'killometers'?. shot in a holding cell, gee,
THAT'S kinda suspicious ....

**** TS 00/04/05 front page POLICE RECORDS SIEZED BY SIU PROBING
OFFICER, FEMALE PRISONERS ALLEGEDLY SEXUALLY ASSAULTED
"SIU wont discuss the nature of the case.... [involving]
allegations that an officer SEXUALLY assaulted TWO female
prisoners in the cell area of [AGAIN!! THE INFAMOUS] 51 division
on regent street.
- he musta learned this trick from the 'law and order' tv
series.... he shoulda watched the whole episode....

TS 00/04/03 A16 VANALISM LEADS TO OFFICER'S ARREST, POLICE
INFIGHTING LINKED TO CHARGES OF MISCHIEF, THEFT
"two vandalized lockers ... have prompted police to AGAIN charge
one of their own"
- well, let's see, the locker is INSIDE the police pricinct
building, accessible to ONLY police personnel, now, who could it
be, hmmm, who smashed in the lockers.... duh !!!

TS 00/04/01 B4 PEEL OFFICER FACES NEW CHARGES, ACCUSED OF FLEEING
ARREST FOR BREACH OF PROBATION
-arrested first for domestic assault, then for failing to abide
by release conditions, then again on april fool's day 2000,
who is the fool here? the legal system? the cops? the public for
tolerating this despicable criminality in the police forces?

TS 00/03/31 front page TWO OFFICERS FACE CHARGES IN CASH PROBE
"... as part of a probe into the alleged theft of police
informant money"
-hint to the copcriminal: it works like this, you claim to have
given money to an informant, the informant is casually asked
about receiving mony from you, and repeatedly the answer comes
back from numerous informants that no money was paid!!!
GOTCHA!!

**** TS 00/03/31 B1 SEXUAL MISCONDUCT BY OFFICER ALLEGED
POLICE TRIBUNAL TO HEAR CLAIMS CONSTABLE RAPED, THREATENED WOMAN,
AND USED POLICE COMPUTER TO GET PERSONAL INFORMATION ABOUT OTHERS
"A toronto police officer is accused of using his badge and a
police computer to further his sexual exploits in a case
involving allegations of stalking and RAPE"
- hint copcriminal: computers can be programmed to record by WHOM
and WHAT and WHEN information is acquired from their records, and
now YOU are about to 'acquire' your own 'record'!!

TS 00/03/28 B3 OFFICER CHARGED IN ASSAULT
"charged with criminal harrasment and two counts of assault is
[burlington opp detachment officer] william kurpel"
- help! help! somebody! call the police!!
- shut up asshole, I am the police..... (or something like that)

TS 00/03/26 B1 PROBE OF LOS ANGELES POLICE PUTS AT LEAST
400 CASES IN JEOPARDY
-anti-gang unit cops, worse, far far worse, than the gangs they
are trying to control.... the consequence is that some 400 cases
are at risk of being dismissed outright because they are possibly
related to this cop vigilatism....

TS 00/03/24 B5 OFFICER DRUNK WHEN HE KICKED MAN, TRIAL TOLD
"an off duty [and off his rocker] cop who kicked a back man and
called him a nigger had more than twice the legal limit of
alcohol in his system"
- ya, and it seems the 'system' of policing has more than 'twice
the legal limit' of criminally violent cops....

TS 00/03/23 B1 CONSTABLE CHARGED IN HOCKEY ASSAULT, POLICE
LEAGUE PLAYER HIT ON HEAD WITH STICK
"eric dougan, who has been with [the infamous] 51 division is
facing charges of assault with a weapon and assault causing
bodily harm"

TS 00/03/23 B1 POLICE BIAS HITS BLACKS, STUDY SAYS,
COMMUNITY REPORTS HARSHER TREATMENT BY OFFICERS & COURTS
" the report, based on a survey of 1,257 white, black and chinese
adults concluded blacks are much more likely to be stopped,
questioned and searched [including strip searched] by police than
whites or asians"

watch this!! the next THREE are all on the same day and page!!!
TS 00/03/23 A4
**** POLICE CHIEF SUSPENDED
"the chief of south bruce grey police has been suspended ....
following allegations of breach of trust"
- apparently he didnt hear about the cousineau case ...
POLICE OFFICER CHARGED WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT
"A sudbury region police officer has been charged with FOUR
counts of sexual assault"
- it was ANOTHER (female) officer who made the complaint, giving
the charges a great deal of credibility....
INVESTIGATOR REBUKED FOR DISCUSSING CASE, OFFICER AGREES HIS
INQUEST EVIDENCE HAS BEEN TAINTED
"a chatham-kent police officer was PUBLICLY admonished for
discussing his testimony with a superior officer WHILE STILL
UNDER OATH"
-this action is tantamount to inviting the superior officer up on
the witness stand and whispering tactics and wording back and
forth... cant do that !!!!

TS 00/03/20 A4 OFFICER CHARGED
"a 25 year niagara regional police officer has been charged after
an internal audit found discrepancies in purchases on a [police]
gas card"

****
National Post 00/03/17 pg A21 OFFICER CHARGED WITH SEXUAL ABUSE
"a toronto police officer has been charged with sexually abusing
HIS TWO TEENAGE DAUGHTERS... on numerous occasions"
- no one is safe from a sexually abusing cop, not even their OWN
children. cops like this need to be put in prison segregation for
life... or maybe not the segregation part...

TS 00/03/16 B3 POLICE HARASSMENT CRITICIZED, COUNCLI URGED TO
DENY $2.9 MILLION REQUEST FOR CONTROVERSIAL COMMUNITY PROGRAM
"the program wrongfully targets the poor, homeless and visible
minorities, members of the committee [to stop targeted policing]
said at a demonstration at Allan Gardens"
- did you spot that? those living IN the community affected are
saying the cops are using these millions to harrass those least
able to defend themselves. some kind of 'job creation' program
for cops....

TS 00/03/16 pg B4 ARRESTED OFFICER ASSAULTED: LAWYER
" a toronto police officer, arrested for allegedly taking part in
fake police drug shakedowns suffered 'severe punching and
kicking' when he was arrested"
- vigilante justice, right there courtesy the cops whose job is
supposed to substitute and replace .... vigilante justice ...
who are the bad guys and who are the good guys? you cant tell the
difference anymore....

TS 00/03/15 B3 ASSAULT REPORT LED TO CHARGE AGAINST OFFICER,
TORONTO POLICE ORDERED TO TURN OVER INTERNAL DOCUMENTS
"a toronto officer is facing a police act charge after a woman
accused him of threatening to kill he while on vacation in the
Dominican Republic"
- this one is really bizzare, how do accused rapists get on the
toronto police force?

TS 00/03/15 B1 VERDICT IN FRAUD TRIAL MAY NOT STAND
"Mr Justice David McCombs ... also had some STINGING criticism
for the toronto police who were apparently too busy and short-
staffed to investigate the case themselves, telling the victims
[in a 750,000 fraud case] to hire a private detective"
- 3/4 MILLION dollars in fraud and the cops just slough it off...

**** TS 00/3/11 front page (no kidding!)
OFFICER HELD OVER BOGUS DRUG RAIDS
" a toronto police officer and 6 others face a slew of charges
stemming from a series of fake police drug shakedowns and HOME
INVASION ROBBERIES in toronto and york region"
- this is frightening, truly appalling. a cop uses real and faked
police identification and apparel to enter homes, carting off
$130,000 cash, luxury vehicles and 25 pounds of pot (to sell
later obviously, likewise the cars via organized crime)
-charges also include assault, armed robbery, possession of
UNREGISTERED RESTRICTED WEAPONS, break and enter, etc. etc. etc.

TS 00/3/10 A10 JURORS INIMIDATED BY PRESENCE OF CHIEF, DOZENS OF
[NOTE: A R M E D] OFFICERS AT TRIAL, FAMILY SAYS
- in the case of cops rampaging after a stolen vehicle like they
are in the mojave desert or something... they got off....

TS 00/3/9 A7 CONVICTED COPS TO BE FIRED
" earlier this week 2 montreal officers went back to work despite
ASSAULT convictions in the 1993 beating death to taxi driver
Richard Barnabe. 'this cant happen again' justice minister Serge
Menard said in Quebec city"
- beat a cabbie to death, serve time for assault and then, what,
eh, back on 'da beat!! (is that what cop on the 'beat' means?)

TS 00/3/9 front page SIU OPENS PROBE IN MAN'S DEATH
WITNESSES TOLD OF RUN-IN WITH POLICE OFFICERS
" according to a friend who spoke to the Star, Mitchell [the
victim] told him that 2 police officers 'jumped' on his chest
that night and that another, a female officer told them to 'take
it easy' "
- this is hearsay, seeing as the victim is now dead from the
chest injuries, which is the reason for the investigation....

TS 00/3/8 A7 LAWYER BIDS TO SEE POLICE FILES ON HIM
" toronto lawyer Clayton Ruby continued a long-standing fight
yesterday for access to files police created on him at least TWO
DECADES AGO.... the RCMP would not comply"
- not comply? maybe to hide the fact the information was either
illegally obtained or inaccurate? what ARE they trying to hide?

TS 00/2/24 HOUSE ARREST FOR OFFICER
" .... who performed illegal STRIP SEARCHS on FIVE women..."
- which house? the 'big' house? this is a form of SEXUAL ASSAULT

TS 00/2/23 A19 MEMBER OF SASKATOON POLICE FORCE COMPLAINS OF
RACISM AGAINST METIS
"Charlene Lavallee, a special constable now on stress leave,
alleges the attitudes of her co-workers [ie cops] poisoned
her work environment"

TS 00/2/18 A7 POLICE STAFF INVESTIGATED [in winnipeg]
" after 2 women were found dead more than 2 hours after they
called 911. ..... a senior police officer and 4 civilian members
had been placed on administrative leave"
- TWO friggin hours for a 911 response? why bother with the 911
system if thats how long it takes?

TS 00/2/18 A6 MORE POLICE ABUSE COMPLAINTS EMERGE
SASKATCHEWAN NATIVES ALLEGE MISCONDUCT
- see next item

TS 00/2/17 A3 RCMP INVESTIGATES DEATHS OF SASKATOON ABORIGINALS
"saskatoon police officers may have been involved in the deaths
of 2 aboriginal men found frozen on the outskirts of that city"
- dumped out of the cruiser without a coat it is alleged, and
alleged by native groups to have happened MANY times before.

TS 00/2/5 J1 QUEBEC'S POLICE REFORM BILL CALLED A COP-OUT
THREATS MAY BE BEHIND WEAKNESSES, CRIMINOLOGIST SAYS
- evidence planting, cockups of all kinds, a culture of secrecy,
and a union contract held secret from the public, being so loaded
with special deals it would cause outrage

Now Magazine 00/2/3 pg 17 POLICE ALL OVER RUN AMOK
" St. Johns Newfoundland: for the past 10 years the 300 member
royal newoundland constabulary has used telemarketers to conduct
annual fundraising .... although donors get stickers, executive
member tim buckle denies that these in any way give them
preferential treatment"
- but is it the IMPRESSION that they will get preferential
treatment an enticement to donate?

TS 00/1/27 front page SHOWDOWN! POLICE CHIEF THREATENS UNION BOSS
OVER TRUE BLUE FUNDRAISING SCHEME
" 'the only one I take orders from is my own board of directors'
craig bromell, president police association"
- oh really, bromell gets to pick his own boss?

TS 00/1/26 B1 POLICE UNION TO SUE [York West MP Judy] SGRO
- why?, well why the intimidation factor no doubt....

TS 00/1/25 B5 SUBWAY ELVIS SUIT TO PROCEED
JUDGE OKAYS ACTION AGAINST POLICE, PROVINCE
"toronto entertainer... Kirk McTaggart... alleges that the former
police chief jim harding maliciously and negligently prosecuted
McTaggart.... court documents show the tellers [witnessing a bank
robbery] werent certain McTaggart was the man - A FACT NOTED BY
POLICE BUT NOT DISCLOSED TO MCTAGGART'S LAWYERS"

TS 00/1/22 A22 DRUG ACCUSED WINS DAMAGES
JUDGE CITES RCMP FOR 'GROSS MISCONDUCT'
" an ontario judge yesterday ordered the federal governmnet to
pay record-setting damages for SUPPESSING MASSIVE QUANTITIES OF
EVIDENCE AT THE TRIAL of an Ancaster man charged with drug
trafficking."
- much of which could be exculpatory?

TS 00/1/15 A8 CONSTABLE FACES HASHISH CHARGE
DRUG CASES INVOLVING OFFICER LEFT IN JEOPARDY
"a toronto police officer attached to a drug squad is charged
with possession of hashish for the purpose of trafficking"

TS 00/1/8 A8 POLICE CHIEF AGREES TO BUYOUT PACKAGE,
ENDS MONTHS OF RANCOUR, DEBATE IN EDMONTON
" ... his [ex chief lindsay] decision to disband a special anti-
gang unit and then blame the move on a lack of funding from city
council appears to be his undoing. he was later forced to RETRACT
the accusation..."
- manipulative little bastard gets what he deserves
- hey lindsay, there's the plank all ready for you, NOW WALK IT

TS 00/1/7 front page HANCOX PROBE LISTS OFFICERS' VISITS TO BARS
- on the hancox murder, undercover cop knifed by a couple fringe
losers, now, what the hell are his cohorts doing bar hopping
under ANY circumstances? the case merely showed the truth about
what happens at tax payers expense in the undercover division of
that police farce.

TS 99/12/20 A21 TAILGATE-DOWN DRIVING ENVIROMNEMTALLY SOUND/
LET OPP MIND OWN BUSINESS 'letters to editor'
"proves that our police officer certainly have too much time on
their hands" 2nd letter: "with 3 recent highway deaths ... OPP
time better spent trying to control driving habits on the 401"
- seems the 407 a PRIVATELY OWNED strip is providing lucrative
hunting grounds for things like.... unfolded tailgates meant to
cut wind drag and improve, ummm, you know, gas mileage

glixbcdkejdf n.b. spell checked to here

TS 99/12/18 pg B3 CUSTODY DEATH RULED HOMICIDE,
POLICE NIGHTSTICK CAUSED ASPHYXIA INQUEST FINDS
- and so, on to the criminal trial, after EIGHT YEARS....
er, oops!! he's been acquitted already!! (howcum??),
they'll have to go the civil court route for THIS one...

**** TS 99/12/18 A11 RAMSAY SENTENCING DELAYED
"alberta mp jack ramsay ... was an RCMP CORPORAL in saskatchewan
at the time of the offence [or RAPING a FOURTEEN year old girl]"
- a cop RAPING AGAIN, then gets elected to parliament....

TS 99/12/16 B3 DRUG CASES IN TROUBLE LAWYERS SAY,
STAYED CHARGES LINKED TO PROBE OF POLICE OFFICERS
"... six drug squad officers are currently under the scrutiny of
the province's civilian watchdog agency..."
- translation: defendants have the charges mysteriously dropped
because of massive fuckups in the drug squad. thus they either
dont get to 'clear their name', or, drug dealers walk because of
police wrongdoing.... which is it??

toronto sun 99/11/23 pg 5 COPS BOOZING WHEN HANCOX MURDERED?
TWO FELLOW OFFICERS WERE ALLEGEDLY AWOL
- and the answer to the headline question was.... yes!!
murdered undercover cop hancox's buddies were hooched up
elsewhere whilst he was getting a knife put in his chest.

HS 99/11/19 front page A MISCHIEVOUS CASE OF MISCHIEF
"mark whinton, a burlington teacher, is ... charged with mischief
under $5000. [WAAAYYY under 5 grand:].... now, there are a lot of
problems with this: lack of evidence, POLITICAL AGENDAS,
appropriateness of the charge.... one student, chris algar told
his dad who happens to be the halton regional police chief ean
algar. COINCIDENTALLY THE CHIEF AND MPP CAM JACKSON ARE GOOD
FRIENDS... so it begs the question, is this about charging a man
in connection with the theft of campaign signs, or is it a member
of the provincial parliament showing a teacher 'who's boss'?..."

TS 99/11/13 A25 POLICE SILENCE CITED IN DROWNING PROBE
"[labour ministry dive specialist] Bob Landry recommended laying
charges against the police force... under the [workplace health
and safety] act."
- and the cops ALL clam up just like all those clams lounging on
the bottom of the river. what a coincidence....

TS 99/10/29 B5 PRIEST'S FAMILY SUES POLICE OVER
DEATH LINKED TO CHASE, $2.25 MILLION SUIT ABOUT GETTING FACTS,
NOT MONEY, LAWYER SAYS
- facts?? from the cops?? its gonna take all 2.25 mill to
pay the lawyer by the time THAT happens.

TS 99/10/26 B7 NO EVIDENCE EX-BOXER GAVE GIRL DISEASE
"a police officer believed there was 'not one shred of evidence'
to charge Anthony Melbourne Lee with giving GONORRHEA to a 3-year
old girl in 1980, a dangerous offender hearing has been told..."
-well, there is this matter of a toddler with clap....
p.s., this is the dude who scored 39 out of a possible 40 points
for psychotic criminal propensity


TS 99/10/26 B7
FIRED POLICE CADET LOSES BATTLE FOR REINSTATEMENT,
COURT UPHOLDS CONTENTION HE 'MOONED' OTHERS
- he should have 'upheld' his fuckin PANTS....

TS 99/10/18 A8 MILITARY POLICE FILES MISSING,
MINISTER ORDERS SPECIAL PROBE
-cut from the same cloth.... and this AFTER all the heads
rolling because of the somalia affair and ITS coverups...

TS 99/10/17 A15 OFFICER CHARGED WITH IMPAIRED DRIVING

national post 99/10/9 A8
TRUCE OPENS ONTARIO TO HELLS ANGELS AUTHOR SAYS
"...author Yves Lavigne criticizes canadian police for allowing
other outlaw motorcycle clubs to grow and flourish in the 1970s
and 1980s, before the hells angels began expanding across the
country.... 'they waited until the bikers became a management
problem before taking action' "
- waited over 20 years for the bikers to set up their network of
contacts, couriers, pimps, legalists, weapons caches....

TS 99/9/30 QUESTIONS LINGER... REPORT ON CRASH THAT KILLED
CONSTABLE FIVE YEARS AGO FINALLY READY FOR RELEASE
".... desperate, he turned to the police union for help,
telling representatives he was worried about becoming a scapegoat
for the sins of other officers...." etc etc
-hmmmm, and it takes FIVE YEARS for the accident report?
nah, 4 years and 50 weeks to put the complete coverup together
and another 2 weeks to do the report...

here's a big juicy one, plucked verbatim from the 'web':
99/09/28 www.salonmagazine.com/news/feature/1999/09/28
/lapd/index.html a.k.a. 'salon magazine'
L.A. NOT SO CONFIDENTIAL
by Marc Cooper Sept. 28, 1999 | LOS ANGELES
A bad L.A. cop gets pinched lifting 8 pounds of cocaine from an
evidence locker. Under pressure from prosecutors he rolls over on
his buddies and the stories he tells rock the department: A
19-year-old suspect was handcuffed, shot point-blank in the head
and then had a weapon planted on him. He went to jail, paralyzed
for life. In another incident nine cops crash a supposed gang
safe house. Ten rounds are fired, all by the cops. One kid dies;
another is shot through the chest. Now we find out he was really
shot in the back, and the gang members were all unarmed. The
stories go on from there: Innocent suspects beaten till they
vomit blood. Evidence fabricated to justify sweeping anti-gang
injunctions. Cops dealing dope, perjuring and covering up for
each other. An entire elite anti-gang unit running amok while
police brass avert their eyes. One more L.A.-based neo-noir
movie? A sequel to "L.A.Confidential"? No such luck. Barely seven
years after the most serious domestic civil disturbance in a
century, and an equal number of years into what was supposed to
be profound police reform, the LAPD is once again bleeding blue
all over the evening news. The cop who got caught with the coke
is no fictional character. Former LAPD officer Rafael E. Perez is
single-handedly obliterating the infamous code of silence --
dishing all the dirt he can in a frenetic attempt to save his own
butt. The result? It's what the Los Angeles Times has called the
biggest LAPD corruption scandal in 60 years. But it's worse than
that. What we see in Los Angeles today is the result of the
LAPD's persistent refusal to submit to civilian oversight. "You
can draw a straight line from the Watts riots to Rodney King's
beating right up to the events of last week," says former Police
Commission president, Rabbi Gary Greenebaum. So far a dozen cops
have been suspended and as many as 50 are under investigation.
The kid shot through the head, Javier Ovando, has escaped his
23-year prison term -- though he's confined to a wheelchair since
the shooting. Two phonied-up gang injunction shave been lifted.
And multi-million-dollar civil suits are piling up against the
offending officers and the city. In what might be the greatest
understatement yet mumbled in this affair, City Attorney James
Hahn, a leading mayoral candidate, says "this could wind up being
very expensive." Literally hundreds of criminal convictions could
be overturned by what now appears to be serial police perjury.
Meanwhile, internal LAPD investigators, as well as federal and
state officials are widening their probe of the department.
Former Officer Perez is expected to fill the week of Sept. 27 by
continuing to name names and the city fathers are nervously
bracing for the worst. Civil rights attorney Leo Terrel, for
example, says he's trying to arrange federal protection for three
other cops who want to sing."They want to talk about planting
evidence and about 'kill parties' --officers getting together to
celebrate police killings."At the epicenter of the scandal is the
rough-and-tumble unit known as CRASH -- Community Resources
Against Street Hoodlums. They now look like some of the biggest
hoodlums in the city --macho police gunmen who rumbled through
their mostly Latino territory competing with and shaking down the
drug dealers they were supposed to be arresting. Published
reports portray the CRASH unit as little more than another gang
itself. New unit members were "jumped in" -- a gang term used for
initiation beatings. Other reports tell of CRASH officers
shouting gang-like slogans and hanging handcuffs on their
rear-view mirrors as a taunt to the local gang-bangers. The "war"
on gangs, on crime, on youth was apparently so internalized by
CRASH that its members saw themselves as elite warriors exempt
and above the normal rules of engagement. It's all part of what
reform-minded former San Jose Police Chief Joe McNamara calls a
frightening new trend in policing: "A drift toward a military
mind set on the national level," he calls it.

TS 99/9/28 A6 POLICE OFFICER CHARGED
"after a 17 year old boy was accidentally shot in the face at the
officer's home...charged with possession of a PROHIBITED weapon."
- note, prohibited means NOBODY can own the thing, it aint legal
no matter how much paperwork they do.....

NATIONAL POST 99/9/25 LIFE AS A PRIME SUSPECT
".... although a jury took only 45 minutes to acquit
Steve [Murray], the police still insist they were right..."
- and so they hound the man, so sure of themselves whilst the
guilty one evades discovery, just like the Guy Paul Morin case.

TS 99/9/21 A22 OPTION FOUR JUST LEGALIZED BRIBERY
"the cunningly hidden speed trap was a couple hundred meters from
the busier road...'I could write you a ticket, that would cost
you $120 and points, or you could take option 4 - $60, your
insurance company wont find out and you wont get any points...
started just 3 years ago by a shrewd kingston police chief,
option four is sweeping ontario... a form of legalized bribery"
- coercion in one of its many forms, courtesy those job
justifying cops....

www.salon.com 99/09/14 HAIR BRAINED POLITICS
"on july 1 1998 a pair of undercover police officers posing as
husband and wife walked into Braids by Sabrina ... Sabrina Reece,
spent 5 hours braiding the woman's hair [how much did these LAPD
finest earn in that time?] the male officer handed her $150 for
his 'wife's' new hairstyle [ that would be the sting finale ...]"
etc etc.
- seems california regulators in cahoots with job justifying cops
take umbrage at a primarily CULTURAL adornment. it aint
cosmetology in the strict sense of the word no matter how many
times they say it. but then again, wasnt it the nazi joseph
goebbels who said that if you tell people the same thing over and
over again, mix in some truth along the way, then eventually they
will believe it.... and it seems we are supposed to believe cops
are just 'doing their job' when THIS kind of nonsensical FARCE
keeps happening. you dont think so? keep reading !!

TS 99/09/12 BOTCHED MURDER TRIAL STAINS JUSTICE SYSTEM
"superior court justice Paul Cosgrove [ie not some schmuck
cub reporter] ... found more than 150 abuses of process violating
[accused] Elliot's constitutional rights by ontario provincial
police .... that police officers were prepared to TAILOR THEIR
EVIDENCE UNDER OATH [ ie, more LIES]... Evidence had been
FABRICATED, he said. An officer had both denied and ADMITTED in
court to BACKDATING NOTES, and there had been an apparent
destruction by unknown opp officers on november 10 1997 of
computer records pertaining to ... the victim"
- it seems cops have a memory of only a few months when it comes
to the downside of massaging testimony, seeing as the Morin case
and all the LIES that went on there keeps surfacing periodically.

HS 99/09/01 C7 FBI ADMITS FLAMMABLE GAS USED AT WACO
- admits after many years, to lying, coverups, stonewalling,
more lies, and still more lies by the cops at the highest level.
lying to the highest civilian justice authority in the most
powerful nation that has ever existed. lies lies lies.
opinions on the events and parties involved are irrelevant.
the relevancy here is that the FBI is run by LIARS.

TS 99/09/01 A2 MOUNTIE BLASTS HONG KONG CONSULATE PROBE
"Read [the person's name] ... alleged that his [police] superiors
OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE by failing to properly follow up on the
allegations of criminal wrongdoing [by consulate staff who were
tampering with immigration records]

TS 99/08/29 F5 POLICE HARASS GROUP OF CYCLISTS
(letter to editor)
"... one officer told her to go thru a yellow light, another
officer at the same time was telling her to stop. She heard only
the first one [which is normal, cops tend to DEMAND your full
attention]. the second officer gave her 2 tickets, one for
disobeying an officer directing traffic, the other for going thru
a red light.
- harass for sure! ever try to reason with these street cops?
they're like ticket issuing machines....

TS 99/8/26 front page MAN HELD IN KILLING OF 2 NURSES IN 1970
...DNA TESTING LED TO AN EX-POLICE OFFICER AS A SUSPECT
-well. cant beat that dna stuff for convincing evidence,
even after almost 30 years. it's like paul bernardo with a badge.

TS 99/8/22 D26 book review of "In the Wilderness of Mirrors"
"In 1980 [author] Adams found the 1964 death certificate for
[accused spy] Watkins bore the name of rcmp security officer
harry brandes described as a friend rather than a police officer,
a DECEPTION to hide the interrogation from public scrutiny.... a
coroner's inquest ... concluded that Watkins DIED IN POLICE
CUSTODY ... but the rcmp refused to release the full report of
the interrogation on the grounds that even today it would damage
'national security'"
-huh? the soviet union doesnt even exist any more. who are we
securing against? murderous lying cops that's who.

national post 99/8/16 front page
JILTED BY RCMP, COMPUTER SPY LAUNCHES SUIT
-a lawsuit alleging the arse c m pee could not communicate
internally between those he was working undercover with and
other investigators. charges against the individual who was
working undercover, were dropped.

TS 99/8/4 B4 OFFICER CHARGED
"facing assault charges in connection with a domestic dispute"
- and what does this dude do when called to a dispute whilst on
duty? start pounding on THAT woman as well or something???

TS 99/8/3 A6 PRISONER SEEKS TRANSFER
" a male PRISON GUARD convicted of terrorizing fellow guards has
asked to be placed in a female prison..."
- prison guards are like special purpose cops, what with the
guns, truncheons and uniforms. this shows the mindset.
'judging' (pun intended) by the way the canadian court system
works, this 'heshe' just may get that transfer.....

toronto sun 99/7/27 pg 4 BULLETS FLY IN COP DRUG RAID
TOT NEARLY KILLED, COURT TOLD
-hmmm. seems the cops are getting in on this stuff about killing
innocent kids in cases related to drug crime.....

Burlington news 99/7/17 pg N15
AUDIT REVEALS SHODDY PRACTICES BY POLICE
- with regards to "almost half the tracked [seized property]
items were missing or stored improperly"

TS 99/7/14 A8 OFFICER ACCUSED OF DOZING
zzzzzzz.... zzzzzzz........... = "neglect of duty"

TS 99/7/14 front page news POLICE BRASS SLAMMED ON DISCIPLINE,
WATCHDOG FINDS MANY PROBLEMS WITHIN FORCE
"... in a 60 page report..."
- holy mackeral. SIXTY pages of problems.

TS 99/7/13 A6 OFFICER TO RETURN TO JOB
"a halifax police officer convicted of BEATING his common-law
wife can keep his job, a supreme court judge has ruled"
- this says more about the supreme court than the cops....

****TS 99/7/7 SEX COMPLAINT BRINGS ACTION AGAINST OFFICER
DISCIPLINARY CHARGE FOLLOWS 15-MONTH DELAY
"a toronto police officer has been charged with discreditable
conduct after a woman alleged she was SEXUALLY ASSAULTED in the
dominican republic..."

****TS 99/7/2 A4 OFFICER CHARGED
" [with] a SEXUAL ASSAULT charge..."

TS 99/6/18 A4 OFFICER HELD IN CUSTODY
"... in connection with charges of assault, threatening and
possession of stolen property". well, gonna see the OTHER side of
the jail cell bars there mr coppy-cop eh??

TS 99/6/11 A9 OPP WONT DISCIPLINE TWO OFFICERS
"...against officers accused of dishonest and fabricated
testimony during the trial of an officer in the death of an
Indian activist [the 1995 ipperwash shooting]"
- more perjury. a common theme....

****TS 99/6/9 A6 MOUNTIE TO STAND TRIAL
"accused of SEXUAL ASSAULT on the then 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL..."
Burlington post 99/6/6 pg 1 POLICE ASSOC'N BACKS OFFICER CHARGED
AFTER PURSUIT
(see item hamilton spectator may 20 1999 )
this isnt news, this is cops covering their own asses

TS 99/6/3 B1 POLICE UNDER FIRE ON RACE RELATIONS STUDY
" councillor Olivia Chow who joins the police services board this
month told the star she found the apparently contradictory
answers [by police officials] baffling 'if you know the barriers,
but dont document them, then what are they and how did you remove
them?..."

****TS 99/6/2 A4 BANNED FROM BACKYARD
"convicted sex offender bruce orban .... a former METRO TORONTO
POLICE OFFICER was convicted last june of 3 sex-related charges"
- why doesnt the bastard pervert ex-cop just move??

TS 99/5/31 B1 TAME STREETS MADE MEAN BY COP CABAL
*editorial* (see next item)
"... the police copcriminal association ... would have you
believe the barbarians are at the gate. if anything, the
barbarians are the police association..."

TS 99/5/31 B1 POLICE STAND FIRM ON POSTER,
NO APOLOGY FOR DEPICTION OF HISPANICS
". TTC chair howard moscoe said '...its completely out of line' "
- waaaaay out of line.....

Toronto Sun 99/5/28 pg 20
CONN PROBE EYES COP
SIU: DID OFFICER PUSH ESCAPEE TO SUICIDE?
-push the right buttons and close the case reaaaal quick there...

****TS 99/5/27 A 26 EX-OFFICER LOSES BID FOR RELEASE ON BAIL
"a *former* toronto police officer facing charges of
TRAFFICKING IN HEROIN....lost his 2nd bid to be released on bail"

National Post 99/5/26 front page RCMP OK'D SHREDDING OF PAPERS AT
BRE-X HQ INVESTIGATION WAS LIMITED REFORM MP WANTS TO FORCE TOP
MOUNTIE TO EXPLAIN PROBE
"the r c m p left the offices of bre-x minerals hours after being
informed of the HUGE fraud without protecting potential evidence
and days later consented to the mass shredding of documents the
company said were unimportant"
-like 'the wizard of oz' line:'ignore the guy behind the curtain'

TS 99/5/26 front page POLICE BRASS FACE $8 MILLION
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT SUIT OFFICER ALLEGES SILENT CONSPIRACY
" the *former* head of the toronto police force's sexual assault
squad has been accused in a lawsuit of sexual misconduct
involving THREE [not just one] women under his command"
- the BOSS of the department is a goddamn pervert

HS 99/5/20 F9 POLICE CHASE OFFICER CHARGED
" A police officer involved in a fatal police chase last winter
was charged with two criminal offences yesterday"
-takes half a year to do it too....

TS 99/5/18 A9 POLICE UNDER FIRE IN SHOOTING
"...after montreal police answered a call about two men who had
reportedly stolen potted flowers from a zellers' outdoor garden
centre.... provincial police spokesperson matthias tellier ....
reiterated previous police statements the suspects appeared to be
unarmed at the time of the shooting"
-ya, well it aint like robbing a bank. maybe the cops long for
the old days when bank jobs got a bigger haul...

TS 99/5/17 B5 DEPUTY MAYOR SUPPORTS POLICE SHAKEUP
TORONTO FORCE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED, COUNCILLOR URGES
"councillor bas balkissoon a member of the budget committee,
said he's dismayed that changes called for in a 1991 report
prepared for the force were never implemented"
-well surprise surprise. copcriminals adore the status quo. my
my.

TS 99/5/13 A6 RCMP OFFICER CHARGED
"in grande prairie [alberta]... with ... three counts of assault
[in a domestic dispute]"
- so, like, what, he beats the crap out of the same woman 3 times
or 3 different women ??? proving the manhood there constable ???

TS 99/5/11 A6 COMPLAINTS SOAR
"a record number of complaints have been filed against police
officers across the province [of quebec]....most citations were
for abuse of authority and excessive use of force."
oh. so d'ats why dey calls it a p'lice 'force'

TS 99/5/6 A4 OFFICER CHARGED
"with stealing seized property from a police storage room"
-tsk tsk tsk.... so tempting....

TS 99/5/5/A12 5 OFFICERS GO ON TRIAL FOR INHUMANE BEATING
"the allegations ... provoked an outcry against racism and
brutality in the ranks of the new york police department"
-like that's news.....

TS 99/5/5 B1 NEW TRIAL ORDERED FOR MAN IN POLICE BIAS CASE
"...for a toronto man who says he was stopped by copcriminals
only because he was black . . . . richards [the accused] was
actually driving his brother-in-law's van"

****TS 99/5/4 B1 FRESH EVIDENCE FORCES THIRD TRIAL IN 1988 MURDER
"the undisclosed evidence includes a tape of a march 3 1989
interview between L [a jail house informant] and a north bay
police officer he summoned ..."
-in other words, the cops had taped evidence that may have
cleared the accused, but kept it secret for some 10 years.....

TS 99/5/4 A4 BOY KILLED BY POLICE CRUISER

TS 99/4/23 A4 RCMP OFFICER CHARGED
"with breach of trust concerning alleged improper use of police
information"
-in other words, finding out stuff from CPIC and using it for
personal business or, one gets called in, another gets hauled in?

TS 99/4/22 A10 MOUNTIES CALLED IN
"to investigate corruption allegations against edmonton police"

****TS 99/4/22 A4 EX-OFFICER ROBBED BANK
-another bank job there.

TS 99/4/16 E1 UNION SEEKS BOOTHBY PROBE/
POLICE chief ACCUSED OF DENYING PROMOTIONS
"it is highly regrettable the chief of police has denied
dedicated members of the toronto police force their well-earned
promotions"
-(boothby announced his resignation less than a month later.)
TS 99/4/14 A8 PRIVACY RULINGS CALLED UNFAIR
"stonewalling by the police . . ."
-so they screw up and then cover up.

TS 99/4/7 A26 OFFICIALS ACCUSED OF FRAMING 'KILLER'
" a 'long and tortured history' of wrongdoing by police..."
- from wheaton illinois, u.s.a.
-it happens EVERYWHERE there are cops.

TS 99/4/6 pg A6 EX-MOUNTIE FACES TRIAL
more "sex-related offenses"
-remember, when the quotations appear, the contents of the quote
are taken DIRECTLY from the article.

Toronto Sun 99/4/5 EX-COP, 62, ON MURDER RAP
-shot his neighbour to death because, well, because!!!

****TS 99/3/30 A6 OFFICER CHARGED IN RAPE
-rape??? friggin rape??? what, they're head is
still back in the 50s or something, cops can do whatever they
please??? rape. a cop raping. very disgusting.

TS 99/3/31 on the front page , big fat 70 point type:
OFFICER FACES MURDER CHARGE
THREE CITED IN INCIDENT THAT KILLED FATHER, WOUNDED SON
-they had the guns, they knew the game plan, THEY blew it in
their eagerness to get that 'adrenaline rush' and now the
slow ponderous wheels of justice have begun to turn.

-what a deplorable chronicle of theft, corruption, perjury,
deceit, rape, assault, homicide.
by COPS. goddamn COPS. thats why the label Copcriminal.
-is this part of the famous aylmer police college course?

continuing now . . . .

TS 99/2/27 A2
NEW YORK GRIEVES FOR INNOCENT VICTIM OF POLICE BARRAGE
" Amadou had no criminal record anywhere in the 3 continents he
had lived. there was NOT ONE disciplinary report at the
international high school in thailand where he studied french and
conversed fluently in five languages" etc etc etc
- the hollywood celebrities are still getting busted for
protesting this case. it aint going away none too soon this one.

national post 99/2/20 POLICE CHASE ENDS IN DEATH
"a 34 year old woman has died after her car was hit head-on by a
truck being pursued by police on the trans-canada highway..."
- WHAM!!! ah, got him. geez, dont step in all that blood buddy...

****TS 99/2/15 B2 OFFICER FACES WEAPONS CHARGES
"a 24-year detective with peel regional has been charged with
theft of a police training rifle and weapons related offenses.
john trainor who owns a gunsmithing business in georgetown...."
-well now we know where he gets the inventory !!! from work !!!

TS 99/2/15 WOMAN INJURED IN POLICE CHASE
-this is happening so often you lose track of which incident is
being reported....
-leads one to suspect the cops get addicted to that adrenaline
rush, so when a chase begins, away they go!!

****TS 99/2/11 C3 COURT UPHOLDS POLICE OFFICER'S RAPE CONVICTION
"... raping and SODOMIZING"
-bleacchhh!!!

TS 99/2/6 A24 MURDER CASE INFORMANT FEARS HE'S A MARKED MAN
UNDERCOVER AGENT SAYS POLICE NOT PROTECTING HIM
" a sudbury informant fears for his life, saying sudbury regional
police refuse to relocate him for the undercover work he did that
led to a murder conviction."
- maybe he lied and the cops know it, so they are hoping the
convicted felon's friends will bump off the informant and that's
the end of it !!!

TS 99/2/6 A14 TWO FIRED OVER FATAL BEATING
MONTREAL CABBIE NEVER EMERGED FROM COMA
"two montreal police officers have been fired ... for beating a
suspect into a coma where he eventually died"
-they pounded the guy into a coma and he dies, all they get is a
place in the unemployment line. they should get the death penalty

TS 99/1/30 A2 DIRTY TRICKS OLD HAT TO MOUNTIES
BARN BURNING, DOCUMENT THEFTS AMONG LITANY OF INFAMOUS SCANDALS

GM 99/1/29 A1 RCMP SET OFF EXPLOSION AT GAS WELL, COURT TOLD
-remember this one? they're trying to nail some 'eco-terrorist'
and cant, so the copcriminals decide to see if they can pop off a
few pipeline bombs themselves.
sad, very sad that law enfarcement has sunk so low....

GM web site, 99/1/28 FAN EJECTED FROM SKYDOME AWARDED $210,054
TORONTO POLICE USED EXCESSIVE FORCE, COURT RULES
" ... awarded $210,054 in damages after a civil court found that
police had used excessive force in ejecting him from the skydome"
-another ho hum typical copcriminal excess....

GM web site, 99/1/15
HUMILIATING POLICE STRIP-SEARCH STILL HAUNTS 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL
-ya, and it wasnt even HER who did the shoplifting. so whats
worse, 'lifting' a pair of cheap earrings or 'lifting' the skirt
of a scared 13-year-old??? hmmm?? these copcriminals sure like
these strip searches.... anyone is fair game....

ottawa times 98/12 (december edition) ah man, the friggin front
page again!!! aaaaaaahhhh!!!
DID POLICE FORGE GUN OWNER'S SIGNATURE?
"mr Beattie in his letter to the ontario solicitor-general told
him that he suspects either the ottawa police or the rcmp to be
responsible for the incident"
- what the victim of the forgery knows for sure, it warnt HIS
signature on the firearms document, so it would appear so, in
order to, ummm, 'expedite' the paperwork... nice of them eh?

Burlington news 98/12/23 front paaaaage agin !!!
STATEMENTS 'TROUBLING', CROWN SAYS POLICE MADE ERRORS
"as they investigated a man in connection with the murder of a
burlington teen"
- rough town eh? crooked cops, homicides,

Burlington Spectator 98/12/12 N6
POLICE HAD TO LIE TO SUSPECT, HALTON 'DEFECTIVE' TELLS COURT
-ummm, didnt this guy's mommy tell him about wrong and right?

Salon Magazine (a webzine, www.salonmagazine.com) 98/12/11
BETRAYED BY THE FBI ,INFORMANTS WHO'VE RISKED THEIR LIVES....
FIND THEMSELVES HUNG OUT TO DRY
-this is a 3 pager, go look at the archive or whatever
HS 98/12/4 more on the front page!!
'POLICE PAID ME TO LIE'
JAILHOUSE INFORMANT CLAIMS COPS SET UP MCCULLOUGH
"a jailhouse informant says he and a hamilton police detective
conspired to set up an innocent man for the 1989 murder of
Beverley Perrin"

****TS 98/12/2 front page!!! oooooo!!!! embarrassing !!!!!
EX-MOUNTIE ON THE RUN ARRESTED IN PORTUGAL
"a former mountie accused of taking $500,000 in payoffs as a mole
for a columbian drug cartel has been arrested in portugal"
-would appear this copcriminal got the concept of 'informant'
ass-backwards...
-but he's got a cool half mill to spend finding out how its
supposed to work...

TS 98/11/22 A8 MOM JAILED WITH BABY SUES RCMP
-the mounties always get their man eh, and 3 month old also
apparently... a sick infant at that. "locked in a cell. she said
it was so cold she kept the baby in his snowsuit and wore her own
jacket ALL NIGHT"
- golly mr keystone cop, its up to YOU to come up with better,
ummm, 'accommodations' than THAT regardless of what the WITNESS
in an assault trial has to say, in view of the fact a BABY is in
there with her....

****TS 98/11/21 A32 OFFICER CHARGED WITH DEATH THREATS
CO-WORKER WAS TARGET, POLICE SAY
-whoa dude, like, dont have a cow man. and gimme yer gun,
nice and slow like....

TS 98/11/18 B1 RIGHTS OF ACCUSED WERE VIOLATED, JUDGE FINDS
-in the just desserts murder case that is, and again, the
copcriminals gotta be EXTRA vigilant in these cases to make sure
any correct convictions dont get thrown out on technicalities

GM 98/11/7 A11 RCMP RESPONSE TO DOMESTIC ABUSE WEAK,
CRITICS CHARGE
- this is news??

GM 98/11/7 A11 ooohh!! 2 on the same page !! that should be easy!
STRIP-SEARCH VICTIMS FEEL LIKE CRIMINALS
-well they are. guilty of, horror of horrors.... unpaid fines!!!

TS 98/10/2 A9 headline?
"an american convicted in the shooting death of a vancouver taxi
driver will get a new trial because canadian copcriminals
violated the charter of rights when questioning him in a u.s.
jail"
- they dont get it. when they do get the bad guy, thats all the
MORE reason to do it letter perfect to PREVENT these kinds of
technicalities. make the conviction stand by not screwing up!!

TS 98/10/3 A24 ABORIGINAL LEADER CHARGED WITH MURDER
" ... a 38-year-old aboriginal police officer entered no plea"
- or should that be '38 year old calibre police special' ???
the two charged hightailed off to florida, gee, musta bin sumpin'
they done.... cut from the same cloth... the same cloth...

****TS 98/10/2 A6 MOUNTIE QUITS FORCE
"[after being] accused of sexually harassing female civilian
employees has left the force..."
- after three friggin years of paid suspension at taxpayer
expense, including the women he harassed...
TS 98/9/23 A3 RCMP INFILTRATED STUDENT GROUP
"... then used intelligence to arrest activists before and during
summit, documents reveal."
- curious, cops arresting POLITICAL activists protesting among
other things, rights abuses by the suharto regime, since turfed
by his OWN people... they did an episode of 'law & order' on this
didnt they? yupper, a page right out of j edgar hoover's a.k.a.
'mr dossier''s handbook

TS 98/9/18 editorial page CRETIEN SHOULD EXPLAIN
-re the apec protest; this aint over yet m. cretien!!!
more cops gonna fall on their sword over this one !!!
they should have told you right then where your jurisdiction ENDS
and their's begins. but hey, nothin' beats brownie points in the
PMO eh??

TS 98/9/18 A6 OFFICER CHARGED
"with beating a man while investigating a noise complaint"
-what, party noise turns into cries of pain?
- hey cop, the keyword here is 'investigate' ok? 'investigate',
not 'beat the crap out of the perpetrator'

TS 98/9/19 A10 STRAY SLUG HITS HOME
"a police officer fired the shell, trying to hit a black bear"
- really. must have thought the bear stole the house keys and was
hiding behind the front door (pictured) which sports a huge hole
from a 12 gauge slug.

GM 98/9/19 A9 FORMER PEEL POLICEMAN CONVICTED OF ASSAULT
HANDCUFFED PRISONER SERIOUSLY CUT, TWO TRIALS AND TWO HEARINGS
NEEDED TO REACH VERDICT
"[the assault victim] handcuffed at the time... received cuts to
his face that required 19 stitches"
- so just who are the good guys and the bad guys here??

anybody got a score card??? a program??? mug shots???

GM 98/9/5 D17 FIRST LET'S DITCH THE JUSTICE SYSTEM
- a book review on a work detailing the police manipulation of
evidence in the Elizabeth Bain murder case against robert
baltovich: "... a dogged private investigator has dug up plenty
of new evidence that points to baltovich's innocence... that the
murderer may be the 'scarborough rapist'" (a.k.a. paul bernardo)
etc etc friggin etc. but baltovich is still in jail and the
evidence massaging copcriminals wander about freely to commit
judicial mayhem.

ottawa citizen 98/8/28 B1 'GIVE PUBLIC THE FACTS IN POLICE PROBE'
WHY DID CHIEF DELAY INVESTIGATION OF DEPUTY, LAWYER ASKS
-why indeed, 'who's watching the watchdog' fox guarding henhouse,
conflict of interest, etc, ho hum ...

****HS 98/8/7 A2 ESCORT OFFICER FACES SEX CHARGES
-no it aint the kind of 'escort' you think when related to sex.
this sleazebag was a guard for the court system who is supposed
to ONLY escort prisoners back and forth from detention centre. it
aint in the job description to 'cop' a feel.
by the way, it was the SUPERVISOR of the prisoner escort system
who was charged. does he still have that job?? lookin for another
job now?? a blow job maybe???

TS 98/7/24 B1 APOLOGY SOUGHT OVER STRIP SEARCH
WOMAN DETAINED 5 HOURS AT PEARSON
- five godam hours for a strip search??? who was it??
pamela anderson maybe??? well check it out for yourself.
the newspaper that is, NOT the woman's private parts, THAT'S
been done by the cops already.

****TS 98/7/10 A21 MAN BEATEN BY POLICE WINS CASE
HIGH COURT AWARDS $300,000 TO MAN TORTURED BY OFFICERS
-tortured all godam night. hung upside down, chained to a pole
outside in the cold, punched bloody, genitals burned, TORTURED
like some godam 3rd world right wing cop hit squad.

TS 98/7/4 ah jeeeeezzzzz!!! front page agaiiiinnnnn!!!!
JUDGE BLASTS 'SEXIST' POLICE
FARCE CALLED 'UTTERLY NEGLIGENT IN JANE DOE RAPE INVESTIGATION
Madam Justice MacFarland: "it suggests to me that women were
being used - without their knowledge or consent - as 'bait' to
attract a predator ...'
- and by golly it werked!! shuckins, jane doe done got RAPED
right under the copcriminals noses. so she made them apologize
after going thru some 1/2 dozen or so police chiefs etc...
wouldnt give up and wouldnt give in.

TS 98/7/2 ah come on, front page again!??!! how EMBARRASSING
POLICE AUCTIONS REPORTED RIGGED
'PREFERRED' BIDDERS TIPPED OFF, REPORTS SAY
- uhuh. so in other words what the cop bosses arent interested in
(see above), well can still gain some brownie points by advising
close friends in the 'clearing house' business. maybe even a
'commission' (the cash kind, you know, like a 'finder's fee', not
as in 'police commissioner'. then again maybe the copcriminals
got the two definitions mixed up....)

Burlington post 98/6/24 front friggin page agin!!
FALSE ALLEGATIONS LEAVE FEELINGS OF BITTERNESS
"the problem was I knew I hadnt done anything wrong but the rcmp
said I did. Vindication came when a judge threw out the last two
of nine charges for LACK OF EVIDENCE"
- regarding sales of helicopters to a very naughty mideast
country with a name ending in 'q'
- well nigh impossible finding evidence what aint there eh?
- unlessways they plants it. bin dun afore!!

HS 'web site' 98/6/17 STAPLES' FRIENDS WANT ANSWERS
"friends of a slain man and his daughter want answers from police
about how the search for the pair was conducted... the truck
[they were found in] had been left unnoticed at a park 'n fly
near toronto airport for some time ... barlow said if police in
hamilton or toronto bungled the search, an explanation is in
order... police are silent on the issue."
-ya, silent on a LOT of issues.

TS 98/5/12 A6 SIU NOT NOTIFIED OF FATAL CRASH
OFFICERS WENT HOME BEFORE NOTES TURNED IN
-well duh, thats so's they can compare notes over the phone and
synchronize their alibis for the siu investigation!!!

TS 98/5/5 keerist, on the front page agin!!!
INVESTIGATION OF POLICE PROPERTY UNIT WIDENS
PROBE FOCUSES ON HANDLING OF GOODS.
"the golf clubs were new and sitting in a pristine white golf
bag. but in early 1995 the bag and clubs left the property unit
over the shoulder of a senior plotlice officer"
-ya, ie the cop brass get the best pickings of the stolen,
seized, etc property before the famous police auctions. thats why
the stuff up for bids is mostly junk, the bosses have already
picked over it and got the real neat stuff for themselves.

****TS 98/4/22 pg ?
DEPUTY CHIEF OF [PLOT]LICE ENTANGLED IN GUN SCANDAL
FIREARMS UNIT BOSS CALLED TO TASK OVER $200 SALE
- hmmm, same incident, different cop. this one's way up on the
totem pole too. what's a citizen to do, what to do. let's get the
message out about how corrupt, incompetent and perverted those
cops can be in their spare time....

burlington news 98/4/18 N4
"a roast to halton staff sergeant bob waller
(a.k.a. 'stone'waller) who pleaded guilty to discreditable
conduct... as a result of waller's involvement in the attempted
coverup of an assault on a suspect in 1995
- another friggin coverup. they dont wanna learn eh?

TS 98/4/15 front page!!! DEAL KILLS CHARGES AGAINST TOP CHEF
SOLD 2 BOTTLES OF WINE FOR $1.20 OVER COST IN STING
- sting; more like stink. a couple undercover types "posing as a
couple celebrating their anniversary" get wind of this cosy
restaurant that doubles as the proprietor's LIVING ROOM, he tops
off world class culinary with wine at cost and gets busted for
his efforts to pursue the universal dream of turning a skill you
love into a means of support. the crown attorney finally wakes up
to the absurdity of the charges, however applicable, DONT THESE
PEOPLE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO WITH THEIR TIME????

TS 98/4/15 OFFICER IS JAILED IN GUN SCANDAL
YORK REGIONAL CONSTABLE SOLD GUNS TURNED IN BY PUBLIC
"a york regional police copcriminal who made almost $2,000
selling guns turned over to the farce by the gullible public has
been
jailed 90 days for breach of trust" etc etc
-(pssst: guess which words werent really part of the original
article !! tee hee hee!!)

GM 98/4/16 page ? OFFICER'S CONVICTION UPHELD
-convicted of criminal negligence causing DEATH. got that?
someone is DEAD because of a copcriminal. but wait !!
its another copcriminal !!! totally tanked on a dozen drinks
between them. feeling no pain eh bud??

TS 98/4/4 A9 OPP WON'T CHARGE OFFICERS IN MOB CASE
" ... despite a judge's finding that evidence was intentionally
withheld and courts misled about it later" etc etc etc etc
- well surprise surprise !!

Burlington news 98/1/1 page ? DEFENCE TRIES TO DISCREDIT POLICE,
LAWYER CITES PREVIOUS MISCONDUCT OF TWO HALTON 'DEFECTIVES'
F, T, whats the difference?
"after finding that police ... had suppressed evidence favourable
to the defence" etc etc

TS 98/3/24 headliner again!!! MOTHER, SON SHOT DEAD BY RCMP
- the age of the kid? hows this: nine years old. and now, not a
minute more thanks to the trigger happy happy arse c m p

Burlington news 98/3/18 headline again!! POLICEMAN PLEADS GUILTY
TO
ASSAULTING WIFE
help !! help !! call the police !!... oh, you ARE the police...

****TS 98/3/14 A2 FOUR CONVICTED IN LOOMIS HEIST
POLICE OFFICER AND HIS COHORTS FACE JAIL TERMS
"a toronto POLICE Copcriminal and three other men face
substantial jail time for the $3,100,000 robbery of a loomis
truck"
- help !! help !! call the police !!... oh, you ARE the police...

TS 98/2/28 A8 SHOOTING VICTIM CLEARED
" a man who was shot in the head by police responding to an
ottawa robbery was NOT connected with the crime."
- kinda like this: "stop thief, put that candy bar back NOW...
bang! bang!!

TS 98/2/14 A26 INQUIRY SOUGHT INTO 'STRIP-SEARCH SEVEN' CASE
-cuffed, traipsed shoeless through the slush and strip searched,
and NO CHARGES for, gasp! *protesting* bill 160 at a tory
fundraising attended by the great conservatist edukashun minster

TS 98/2/6 F1 YORK REGION CHIEF CHARGED WITH BREACH OF TRUST
- five, count 'em FIVE counts of corruption in the highest office
in the york regional. sheesh. if ya cant trust a cop, etc etc

TS 98/2/4 B1 POLICE HANDLING OF PROPERTY QUESTIONED
ALLEGATIONS ARISE OVER MISSING GOODS
- seems firearms arent the only things that go missing in the
property lockup down at the cop shop!!

Burlington news 98/1/29 pg N2
SLAIN MAN'S DAUGHTER FOUND EVIDENCE AROUND HOUSE
- evidence in a murder investigation, key evidence right at the
murder scene, missed by the uncaring sloth cops.

HS 98/1/26 page 1 headline: MUNRO SUES FOR $5,700,000
"... loss of reputation of a four year rcmp investigation..."
- 4 years, and for what? unsubstantiated charges. 4 goddamn years
the cops had to investigate and found nothing. nothing. nada.

****HS 98/1/14, A7 NIAGARA COP FINED FOR ASSAULT ON GIRL
"... after he pleaded guilty to assaulting a SEVENTEEN-YEAR-OLD
niagara falls girl."
- her crime? accepting a ride home from this lothario after
karate class.... it was SEXUAL assault by the way...

HS 98/1/14 page 1: POLICE IGNORED RAPE CASE CLUES,
NO ACTION ON STONEY CREEK PROWLER CALLS
"... the prowler's victims, for the most part, were not believed
by investigating officers...."

Burlington post 98/2/11 pg 2
OFFICER FACES CHARGES AFTER SINGLE CAR CRASH
"... arrested and charged with impaired driving [etc etc]"

frank magazine 98/1/14 pg 18 SWAT TEAM ON THE LINKS
"... now that deputy chief brian mackie is grabbing the spotlight
with his alleged massage parlour hijinks"
- goes on to detail how a protected witness was caddy to the cop
bodyguards going for a round of golf, paid by taxpayers naturally

ottawa citizen 97/12/23 C3 JUDGEMENT MAKES POLICE EASIER TO SUE
APPEAL COURT UPHOLDS DECISION OFFICER WAS NEGLIGENT IN ARREST

GM 97/12/26 page ? **** YORK POLICE CHIEF SUSPENDED
- got that?? the fuckin CHIEF OF POLICE
"for accepting a $125,000 payment from auto-parts giant
magna international inc."
TS 97/12/13 A12 MONTREAL POLICE FIRED FOR BEATING
-take that, et cela, vlan!! vlan!!! zut! il sanguier!!

TS 97/12 10 B1 OFFICER FOUND GUILTY OF USING RACIST SLUR
- the deviney case (which one?? there are so many...)

TS 97/11/30 front page!! 'AN ABUSE OF PROCESS BY OFFICERS'
WHEN A JUDGE FOUND 2 COPS TRIED TO COVER UP THE BEATING OF A
SUSPECT, NOTHING WAS DONE
- what, maybe the cops gonna take the boots to their own???

TS 97/11/27 A30 PROFILES OF SUSPECTS UNRELIABLE PROBE TOLD
"... faulty [copcriminal] investigations ... was a significant
factor leading to at least 99 wrongful convictions in ontario..."

****TS 97/11/27 A6 MOUNTIE ABUSED BOYS
" the youngest was 5..."
-got that?? A FIVE YEARS OLD gets FONDLED by a COP

TS 97/11/20 A11 EX-MOUNTIE SENTENCED
"... for stealing $10,090 from an rcmp mess to feed his habit for
video gambling"
- now 'mess' here to be clear means 'cafeteria' or 'eating area',
but it could apply to the rcmp way of doing things, eh?

TS 97/11/13 C2 POLICE HIRE MAN WITH A RECORD
"york regional police has hired a man with a criminal record to
be the [farce's] first human resources manager"
- what ho, so he can put lots more hoods on the payroll silly!!

Frank Magazine 97/11/19 pg 13 WAS NORRIS FRAMED?
"norris [the accused] was booked by an attachment of the opp the
same force he is suing over the 1994 death of his son Shayne who
was run over by an undercover cop serge loranger. although he
fled the scene- and despite considerable evidence that he was
fully loaded at the time [and they aint talkin about bullets]"
-so the tried and true method to deflect criticism and
embarrassment is still in use by the grand old opp....

toronto sun 97/11/6 page ? WILD SHOT INJURES 6, COPS WOUNDED
"bullet fragments struck six durham regional police when a
constable accidentally discharged his gun during target practice"
- oyyfff... what are the targets at these places?

TS 97/10/22 D7 OFFICERS FACE POLICE CHARGES IN TAPE INCIDENT
"two metro officers caught on videotape allegedly punching and
kicking two HANDCUFFED suspects ... have been charged with using
excessive force"
- seems they havent learned anything from the rodney king case...

TS 97/10/18 A4 INTERNAL REVIEW LAUNCHED INTO
EVENTS THAT ENDED IN SUSPECT'S DEATH
"it was a bank robbery the metro police KNEW was going to happen
and secretly watched unfold. but at no time while the violent
gang of robbers pistol-whipped employees inside the CIBC branch
on islington ave did the [copcriminal] police intervene. they
kept to their game plan".
- a most apropos choice of words, to them its just a game.

****HS 97/10/7 headline: HIGHWAY ROBBERY EX-OPP OFFICER AMONG
11 CHARGED IN $7,000,000 TRUCK THEFT OPERATION
-this kind of gig needs mob connections to fence the stolen goods
by the way....
Frank Magazine 97/10/8 pg 10 METRO COPS GO ROUND THE HORN
"... the next day, chief boothby ... was observed making a
beeline for the downstairs dining room at the silver rail. the
yonge street peeler bar feature double jointed young women...."
- outrageous. morally outrageous. tsk tsk. no shame mr boothby?

TS 97/9/20 A3 TWO TEENS FACE CHARGES OVER UNLIT SKATEBOARDS
"Stratford police have charged 2 14-yr-olds with operating a
vehicle after dark without lights. the 'vehicle'? a skateboard"
- gives new meaning to 'small town cop'...

TS 97/9/10 page 1 headline: 3,000 GUNS GO 'MISSING' FROM POLICE
AUDIT CANT ACCOUNT FOR ASSAULT RIFLES, HANDGUNS
-assault rifles. fuckin murder guns, automatic weapons which have
NEVER been legal in canada except military use, and these
copcriminals dont know where they put them all.. YECH.

TS 97/8/22 headline page 1 POLICE CHIEF IN HOT SEAT OVER PROBE
-a woman cop winds up dead after boozing it up with her male
cohorts after hours. suspicions are she was proffered drinks to
discredit women cops in general, and that the whole thing was
followed by a coverup to put all the blame on her.

TS 97/8/9 A11 MOUNTIE FOUND GUILTY OF SOLICITING PROSTITUTE
"... arrested after the prostitute turned out to be an undercover
police officer"
-gives new meaning to the word 'mount'ie...

TS 97/8/1 A4 OPP ASKED TO PROBE EVIDENCE IN RACCO CASE
CROWN ALSO FACES INVESTIGATION
"... the ontario provincial police has been called in to
investigate the conduct of POLICE OFFICERS accused by a judge of
'deliberately' suppressing evidence"

HS 97/7/24 A3 PROVINCE WILL INVESTIGATE PENGELLY'S BEATING IN
JAIL ... A HAMILTON WENTWORTH DETENTION CENTRE INMATE SAYS A JAIL
GUARD SLIPPED PRISONERS A BANNED COPY OF THE SPECTATOR JUST HOURS
BEFORE THEY ATTACKED CHILD KILLER SCOTT PENGELLY.
really. so the jail guards now include 'judge and jury' on
their resume?? DOESNT MATTER what pengelly's crime is, THIS
aint the way it works.

Equinox Magazine 95/10 pg 38
[an article describing the excessive zealousness of maritimes
fisheries officers pursuit of 'criminals' 'illegally' catching
their fuckin dinner off their doorstep.]
"...you have to watch your back, be suspicious of the police"
"...But the locals are hearing a different message. With the
closure of the commercial fishery and commercial boats tied up,
many believe that enforcement officers ARE AT A LOSS FOR
SOMETHING TO DO"
-that would explain it !!!

GM 97/7/10 A8 RCMP TACTICS UPSET FATHER OF SLAIN GIRL
"the father of a young girl stabbed to death in her home says
police tried to turn his wife against him in an attempt to blame
him for the killing"
...mounties always gets their man, even the wrong one...

****TS 97/7/7 A3 NIAGARA OFFICER CHARGED IN GTA BANK ROBBERIES
-bank robbery?? BANK ROBBERY???? ya, out of town so's he wouldnt
be recognized...

TS 97/7/5 A2 ELITE POLICE SQUAD HAD ILLEGAL GUNS
SEIZED WEAPONS ORDERED DESTROYED [WERE] USED BY THE ETF
"... a york region police constable has also been charged
... the majority of charges are against paul mullin a retired
METRO POLICE OFFICER"

TS 97/6/5 A4 DRUGS TO TRAIN DOG ILLEGALLY OBTAINED
EX-CONSTABLE DROPS BOMBSHELL AT MORIN INQUIRY

TS 97/3/4 A14 RETIRED HALTON POLICE VETERAN ACCUSED OF COVERUP
"former CHIEF of [defectives?] detectives has been accused of a
coverup during a 1995 investigation, POLICE say"

--
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"I told you so but you wouldn't listen,
so stop your whining."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Ian Murray

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Aug 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/10/00
to Louis Johnson
Thank you for posting that. Truly frightening, isn't it? Do you have a web
site?

Ian Murray

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You're right, the report in the Toronto Star did say they were refugees.
Makes their testimony even more credible, having the courage to speak out
against the police in their new country. Now "sources" are reported as
saying the dead man was in fact beaten by others before the police arrived,
and that he started the violent confrontation by punching one of the cops
in the face. Didn't take them long to get that out. Now all the cops can
sing the same tune. I wonder how long before the "sources" threaten to
kill the witness, and get him to recant his story.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Ian Murray wrote:
>
> > Two witnesses, recent
> > immigrants from Pakistan, who watched the attack from across the road
> > remarked that things like this don't happen in civilized countries.
>

Walter Petelka

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:58:48 -0400, Ian Murray <koyo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>You're right, the report in the Toronto Star did say they were refugees.
>Makes their testimony even more credible, having the courage to speak out

They reported what they "saw" and it could be 100% accurate but there
is enough evidence around that proves eye witness accounts can differ
substantially from the actual facts.

>against the police in their new country. Now "sources" are reported as

I believe those sources might be the store's security cameras.

>saying the dead man was in fact beaten by others before the police arrived,
>and that he started the violent confrontation by punching one of the cops
>in the face. Didn't take them long to get that out. Now all the cops can
>sing the same tune. I wonder how long before the "sources" threaten to
>kill the witness, and get him to recant his story.

Who are the "them" in "Didn't take them long.....?"

Were you there? Did you see something that no one else saw? Do you
have a source that told you "them" are lying?

If not why don't you keep you mouth shut and quit police bashing.


>
>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Ian Murray wrote:
>>
>> > Two witnesses, recent
>> > immigrants from Pakistan, who watched the attack from across the road
>> > remarked that things like this don't happen in civilized countries.
>>
>> Immigrants? According to the newspaper article I read, they were recent
>> refugees. So that leaves me wondering what they seeking refuge from.
>> .


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Walter Petelka

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:14:58 -0400, Ian Murray <koyo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Thank you for posting that. Truly frightening, isn't it? Do you have a web
>site?


>
>Louis Johnson wrote:
>
>> THE COPCRIME CHRONICLES
>> -----------------------
>>
>> updated as at: July 14, 2000
>>
>> murder, rape, weapons offenses, official corruption,
>> robbery, mayhem of all kinds, in all ranks and regions
>> all done by COPS who have chosen on their own to commit
>> CRIMES including MOLESTING AND RAPING CHILDREN,
>> DEALING IN STOLEN FIREARMS, BANK ROBBERY AND MURDER

You have picked a winner here Ian. If you accept louie as a credible
source then I apologize for the comments I made in a previous posting
to you......you should not be harangued for your comments but rather
people should be assisting you in getting some help.

Ian Murray

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Aug 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/14/00
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Walter,
This is a public forum, and I will write whatever I want. If you don't like it,
don't read it. Why don't you keep *your* mouth shut, unless you have some
evidence that what I'm suggesting isn't true? Also, I don't have to be an
eyewitness to an incident (which you count as suspect, in any event) to be able
to form an opinion about this situation. Were you there? What makes you sure
these other "sources" are credible? Who told you the sources were video
cameras?

I was merely stating the obvious. Obvious to anyone who isn't completely
naive. That's not police bashing. Except to cops, or their vested interest
apologists, or people who have bought into the lies and the police mythology for
so long they can't even see anymore.

Louis Johnson

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Walter Petelka (wpet...@idirect.com) wrote:
: On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:14:58 -0400, Ian Murray <koyo...@hotmail.com>
: wrote:

: >Thank you for posting that. Truly frightening, isn't it? Do you have a web
: >site?
: >
: >Louis Johnson wrote:

: >
: >> THE COPCRIME CHRONICLES


: >> -----------------------
: >>
: >> updated as at: July 14, 2000
: >>
: >> murder, rape, weapons offenses, official corruption,
: >> robbery, mayhem of all kinds, in all ranks and regions
: >> all done by COPS who have chosen on their own to commit
: >> CRIMES including MOLESTING AND RAPING CHILDREN,
: >> DEALING IN STOLEN FIREARMS, BANK ROBBERY AND MURDER

: You have picked a winner here Ian. If you accept louie as a credible


: source then I apologize for the comments I made in a previous posting

holey shit. THAT's a first.....

: to you......you should not be harangued for your comments but rather


: people should be assisting you in getting some help.

yawn..... wally, you realy REALLY need some new material....

p.s.: wrong agin wally!!!

I'm not the source here bud, the various dailies and weeklies
as in the citation portion are the sources.

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