Multiple domains helpful?

[oregontapir]

Hi all,

I am using my original domain (tapirback.com) for a number of
different and varied interests. It started in 1996 and it grew to fit
my interests. These sections have their own look and home page (the
gift shop and tapirs have the same color background because the gift
shop is part of the tapir fund), other sections have different
background colors, etc., and the linking usually stays within that
segment. I don't think it's that confusing for anyone using any one
part of the site, especially if they get there via a search and stay
in the same segment, such as:

http://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/

I feel like, if you can put everything in one suitcase, why carry 5,
6, or 7?

My question:

Does this format dilute a search such as Google? If I want people to
find the gift shop (about 1,000 pages, and it already has a strong
presence in searches),

http://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/gifts/friends/

does it dilute the search if I also have a personal photo section on
the site, for example, or does the additional traffic and linking into
my site help boost the whole site? By far my strongest page is the
Tapir Gallery listed first above. It has the most incoming links and a
very high presence in Google. Just look for the one word "tapir" in
Google. I've been beat out by Wikipedia, but it's hard to compete with
that!

I would not be planning to take the site apart and get new domains,
but I'm wondering if, for instance, I'm planning to expand the photo
section (mainly locations, travel, animal photography), would it be
best to get a new domain and build that. If I did that I'd make it
look seamless. The photo section is started already and has been
online for about 10 years in one form or another:

http://www.tapirback.com/images/

Thanks for your suggestions. I'd prefer to keep it simple for me,
but ???

Sheryl

[webado]

Hmm, you could experiment with subdomains maybe, since the various
sections of the site are more or less related.

You'd of course have to manage all redirections properly.

[a-ok-site]

I have been experimenting with this, and I have had mixed results. I
use the domains a-ok-site.com, .us, .info, .org, and .net. The .us
and .info are ignored by Google so far. However, the .org and .net
immediately went to the top of Google results when a-ok-site is
searched for. For some reason, the main url .com got bumped to the
third page of the results. Everything has stayed about the same on
Yahoo site explorer. MSN has been more active on my site, but I
haven't bothered to check results there.

I hope this helps a little.

Later,

Daniel

[Sheryl Todd]

Daniel, thanks a lot for telling me how it worked for you. Do you have duplicate content on the various urls?

 

 

Sheryl Todd
President
Tapir Preservation Fund
http://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/
Member, IUCN/SSC Tapir Specialist Group

Tapirs Google Group and E-mail List:
http://groups.google.com/group/tapirs

orego...@yahoo.com
ta...@tapirback.com
(503) 325-3179 . (503) 338-8646

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[webado]

I own webado.com and webado.net and they have very differnt content.
The .com is my personal site, the .net is my biz site.
I also have other tld's but they get redirected to the .net .

They each are indexed appropriately for their content. I am not paying
much attention to the .com actually. But the .net is performing as
well as I expect it to and as well as I can cope with, since my biz is
actually my night & weekend biz, so any more biz activity would drive
me nuts.

On Nov 18, 6:13 pm, Sheryl Todd <oregonta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Daniel, thanks a lot for telling me how it worked for you. Do you have duplicate content on the various urls?
>
> Sheryl Todd
> President

> Tapir Preservation Fundhttp://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/

> Member, IUCN/SSC Tapir Specialist Group
>
> Tapirs Google Group and E-mail List:http://groups.google.com/group/tapirs
>

> oregonta...@yahoo.com

> ta...@tapirback.com
> (503) 325-3179 . (503) 338-8646
>

> ---------------------------------

[a-ok-site]

The (.com) is the main and original site. The .info and .us point to
sections that are also on the .com. The .net and .org are separate PHP
sites with there own web pages. They are all linked together as if
they were one site with one domain name.

All of the domains are hosted with the same host on the same server as
add-on domains--not all hosts allow this.

Another thing about my site is most of it is duplicate content--Aesop
hasn't put out anything new lately...lol. I have started adding
sections that has new content from me, but this is new and I don't
have much finished yet. The .com will probably always contain a lot
of duplicate content because of its nature--research.

Later,

Daniel

On Nov 18, 5:13 pm, Sheryl Todd <oregonta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Daniel, thanks a lot for telling me how it worked for you. Do you have duplicate content on the various urls?
>
> Sheryl Todd
> President

> Tapir Preservation Fundhttp://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/

> Member, IUCN/SSC Tapir Specialist Group
>
> Tapirs Google Group and E-mail List:http://groups.google.com/group/tapirs
>

> oregonta...@yahoo.com

> ta...@tapirback.com
> (503) 325-3179 . (503) 338-8646
>

> ---------------------------------

[a-ok-site]

One other thing is that I don't know how Google views the domains
since they all share the same root folder.

Daniel

[webado]

If you have exact or mostly exact duplicate content appearing under
different url's you can be prettu much assured one or the other url
will drop by the wayside.

Not to say a penalty, just that only one url will be deemed worthy of
inclusion and proepr ranking fro tis content, and the other one will
either get dropped or will rank low.

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[Sheryl Todd]

Interesting stuff, thanks. For now I'm going to keep it simple and keep it all on one domain unless I find a good reason to split it up.

 

I think I may have found the reason why Google doesn't think my photos are kid-friendly. These pages have been up since 1996 or 1997, or about that time. As a tapir conservation site, someone sent me photos of a tapir (and its fetus) killed in a National Park in Ecuador. I put the photos online with plenty of disclaimers on the entry pages. They are probably considered massively bad news by Google, although many of the kids probably go hunting and watch more graphic stuff on TV and the movies than I would ever put online. I had forgotten that this little saga was on the site. As a conservation site, I feel that the matrial is appropriate, but as I sell toys for kids, maybe the two are incompatible. I could santize the section and delete the materal. I guess that's the only alternative if in fact this is the problem?

 

Is there a site somewhere where you can enter your URL and find out why you might have a bad rating and what pages are objectionable? (Pix have been the only problem, the text comes up fine even though it describes those photos.)

 

Also, when I validate with CSE, I'm told to check out the ICRA rating system. I went there, but could not figure out how you get my site rated. Apparenlty you answer questions yourself and then pay a fee. Don't they have a checker for contect and photos? If I had filled out a form yesterday, I would have forgotten about the graphic few pages and my report would have been inaccurate. Also, are these ratings really worth the trouble?

 

Thanks.

 

Sheryl

 

Sheryl Todd
President
Tapir Preservation Fund
http://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/
Member, IUCN/SSC Tapir Specialist Group

Tapirs Google Group and E-mail List:
http://groups.google.com/group/tapirs

orego...@yahoo.com

ta...@tapirback.com
(503) 325-3179 . (503) 338-8646

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[webado]

You don't pay any fee for ICRA labels. At least I haven't run into
that yet.

You yourself rate your own content according to how you answer. If
it's not truthful, it's possible somebody will report you for using
the labels inapropriately.

On Nov 18, 7:59 pm, Sheryl Todd <oregonta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Interesting stuff, thanks. For now I'm going to keep it simple and keep it all on one domain unless I find a good reason to split it up.
>
> I think I may have found the reason why Google doesn't think my photos are kid-friendly. These pages have been up since 1996 or 1997, or about that time. As a tapir conservation site, someone sent me photos of a tapir (and its fetus) killed in a National Park in Ecuador. I put the photos online with plenty of disclaimers on the entry pages. They are probably considered massively bad news by Google, although many of the kids probably go hunting and watch more graphic stuff on TV and the movies than I would ever put online. I had forgotten that this little saga was on the site. As a conservation site, I feel that the matrial is appropriate, but as I sell toys for kids, maybe the two are incompatible. I could santize the section and delete the materal. I guess that's the only alternative if in fact this is the problem?
>
> Is there a site somewhere where you can enter your URL and find out why you might have a bad rating and what pages are objectionable? (Pix have been the only problem, the text comes up fine even though it describes those photos.)
>
> Also, when I validate with CSE, I'm told to check out the ICRA rating system. I went there, but could not figure out how you get my site rated. Apparenlty you answer questions yourself and then pay a fee. Don't they have a checker for contect and photos? If I had filled out a form yesterday, I would have forgotten about the graphic few pages and my report would have been inaccurate. Also, are these ratings really worth the trouble?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sheryl
>
> Sheryl Todd
> President

> Tapir Preservation Fundhttp://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/

> Member, IUCN/SSC Tapir Specialist Group
>
> Tapirs Google Group and E-mail List:http://groups.google.com/group/tapirs
>

> oregonta...@yahoo.com

> ta...@tapirback.com
> (503) 325-3179 . (503) 338-8646
>

> ---------------------------------

[a-ok-site]

The ICRA wanted to charge me a $35.00 application fee, but that is not
really much for life time membership. The following are free, and they
are the ones I have on my site http://a-ok-site.com/about.html

http://www.childsafe.com/

http://www.iwatchdog.org/

http://www.safesurf.com/


There all linked together, but fairly easy to get certified. They do
a site scan before letting you have the meta-tags.

<meta http-equiv="PICS-Label" content='(PICS-1.1
"http://www.classify.org/safesurf/" L gen true for
"http://a-ok-site.com/" r (SS~~000 1))' />

<meta name="iWatchDog-Program-Licensing" content="http://
www.iwatchdog.org/license.html" />

<meta name="iWatchDog-Program-Validation" content='true comment
"ChildSafe International Web Sites" for "http://a-ok-site.com/" on
"2007.08.10"' />

Also you can include the meta-tag:

<meta name="rating" content="Safe For Kids" />

Daniel

[Sheryl Todd]

Thanks, both of you!

 

Sheryl

Sheryl Todd
President
Tapir Preservation Fund
http://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/
Member, IUCN/SSC Tapir Specialist Group

Tapirs Google Group and E-mail List:
http://groups.google.com/group/tapirs

orego...@yahoo.com

ta...@tapirback.com
(503) 325-3179 . (503) 338-8646

[webado]

I never paid a penny for ICRA labels. Must be something new they do
now.
Hmmm... all the decent sites are getting greedy LOL

On Nov 18, 8:52 pm, Sheryl Todd <oregonta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks, both of you!
>
> Sheryl
>
> Sheryl Todd
> President

> Tapir Preservation Fundhttp://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/

> Member, IUCN/SSC Tapir Specialist Group
>
> Tapirs Google Group and E-mail List:http://groups.google.com/group/tapirs
>

> oregonta...@yahoo.com

> ta...@tapirback.com
> (503) 325-3179 . (503) 338-8646
>

> ---------------------------------

[a-ok-site]

Hi Christina,

This has been bothering me and I looked into some more. The step that
they charge for seems to be optional. How many steps did you use?

http://checked.icra.org/

Step 1: ICRA reviews your label
Once you have labelled your site, and have checked that you receive a
green light in the label tester, you are invited to register with
ICRAchecked. A member of staff at ICRA or its partner, Solarsoft, will
carry out a review according to a single criterion: can the label be
trusted?

A fuller explanation of what ICRAchecked does and does not mean is
provided on the questions and answers page (see link below).

Step 2: Your label is added to the online database
Sites that pass review will be added to a database that ICRA will make
available in two ways:

As a single database of all ICRAchecked sites
Through an interface that allows the discovery of the status of an
individual label.
Next steps
Register your site Launch offer - only $35 per year!
Labelling guidance
Questions and answers
Label Assist
ICRAchecked Professional

It appears that the $35.00 fee is optional. What do you think? They
sent the meta-tag and label already. Did you place the meta-tag on
every page as they request?

Later,

Daniel

[webado]

I never did anythign except enter details of the site (filled in the
online form), whcih resulted in labels being generated and sent to me
in an email with instructions to add them to al pages. I did. End of
story.

I must have conveniently not noticed any mention of paying for
anyhting LOL

This is one site where I have them: http://www.rapsohd.org/ (top, left
button).

I haven't checked to see what you get when you click that any more.

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[webado]

Hah, it seems to no longer work ......

On Nov 21, 9:52 am, a-ok-site <a.ok.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

[webado]

I had better remove the button, it's useless now.

Very strange.

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[webado]

Hmm, yet the label on thsi site works OK:

www.nancy-heartmusic.com


I got both about the same time.

Very weird.

I'll be damned if I'm going to pay anything for this.

[webado]

I regenrated mine for www.rapsohd.org (I found a place to do only
that), added what was needed yet it's not working.

Curious....

[a-ok-site]

Curious too. Let me know if you pursue any further.

Daniel

On Nov 21, 9:45 am, webado <web...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I regenrated mine forwww.rapsohd.org(I found a place to do only

[Duncan Hill]

Christina and Daniel, the ICRA label had me curious as well, I checked my
label from the page and it came back that the site was not labeled,
http://www.casa-arabella.com

then I tested the site using the webmaster tools on the ICRA page and the
label got a green light from there,

I then checked on Christina's page for http://www.rapsohd.org/ same thing
from the label on the page and then from the ICRA site it failed saying
the label got red light with either no label at all or a label with errors.

I can't see any difference in the code on a quick look over the pages and
certainly can't figure why, checking from the actual page shows nothing
but the label tester gives a result, maybe this is a problem somewhere in
the depths of ICRA but it could make a lot of sites appear to be cheating
on the labeling which ends up devaluing the whole idea.

I'll put a query onto the support at ICRA and see if there is any guidance.

Duncan

--
Duncan Hill
(DHadmin)

[webado]

Thanks. I'm not going to fuss with it. If it works good, if nto out it
goes.

It's just ironic that that of all sites fails because the labels are
missing from their database, even when I regenerated them. While the
other site has labels which have been there for at least 3 years I
think and I've never changed them.
Oh well....

On Nov 21, 10:02 pm, "Duncan Hill" <dhad...@mndhill.com> wrote:
> Christina and Daniel, the ICRA label had me curious as well, I checked my
> label from the page and it came back that the site was not labeled, http://www.casa-arabella.com
>
> then I tested the site using the webmaster tools on the ICRA page and the
> label got a green light from there,
>

> I then checked on Christina's page forhttp://www.rapsohd.org/same thing

> from the label on the page and then from the ICRA site it failed saying
> the label got red light with either no label at all or a label with errors.
>
> I can't see any difference in the code on a quick look over the pages and
> certainly can't figure why, checking from the actual page shows nothing
> but the label tester gives a result, maybe this is a problem somewhere in
> the depths of ICRA but it could make a lot of sites appear to be cheating
> on the labeling which ends up devaluing the whole idea.
>
> I'll put a query onto the support at ICRA and see if there is any guidance.
>
> Duncan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:05:24 -0000, a-ok-site <a.ok.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Curious too. Let me know if you pursue any further.
>
> > Daniel
>
> > On Nov 21, 9:45 am, webado <web...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> I regenrated mine forwww.rapsohd.org(Ifound a place to do only

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