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Kyle
Apr 1, 2009, 1:56:34 AM4/1/09
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I thought it would be nice to have a thread where we could make
suggestions for documentaries for the OD4U website.
I have always been interested in the Israel-Palestine situation. In
the west (I live in the US) everything is always done from the pro-
Israel point of view in the media. I am a fan of Valencia, a soccer/
football team in Spain, and on an online Valencia forum I have meet a
few Palestinians. They are just average people, like me, a white guy
from the US who is an atheist and loves music, football, culture, etc.
They are portrayed as religious nuts who ALL want to destroy the west.
This of course isn't true, just like the west wanting us all to think
all Isaelis are nice is true. The war in January really made me think
about the situation. I have talked to my Palestinian friends about it,
and after watching all the news from the BBC on the war, I am now pro-
Palestine. NOT pro-Hamas or pro-Fatah, pro-Palestine.
Sorry to ramble. My point is I would like to see either a documentary
on the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or a documentary on life in
Palestine. Not all Arabs/Muslims are nuts, like the media would lead
you to believe. This coming from an atheist LOL.
suggestions for documentaries for the OD4U website.
I have always been interested in the Israel-Palestine situation. In
the west (I live in the US) everything is always done from the pro-
Israel point of view in the media. I am a fan of Valencia, a soccer/
football team in Spain, and on an online Valencia forum I have meet a
few Palestinians. They are just average people, like me, a white guy
from the US who is an atheist and loves music, football, culture, etc.
They are portrayed as religious nuts who ALL want to destroy the west.
This of course isn't true, just like the west wanting us all to think
all Isaelis are nice is true. The war in January really made me think
about the situation. I have talked to my Palestinian friends about it,
and after watching all the news from the BBC on the war, I am now pro-
Palestine. NOT pro-Hamas or pro-Fatah, pro-Palestine.
Sorry to ramble. My point is I would like to see either a documentary
on the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or a documentary on life in
Palestine. Not all Arabs/Muslims are nuts, like the media would lead
you to believe. This coming from an atheist LOL.
yeungx
Apr 1, 2009, 6:11:57 AM4/1/09
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Some doc on this would be helpful, it is one of the major source of
conflict in the world, but i really don't think it's fair to pick a
side. there is a lot of racial hate, religious conflict, and both
internal and international politics at play.
for example, this "war" (not much of a war, more of a beating) in
January is clearly in preparation for the election in Israel. The
leadership needs to show that it can handle security issues so the
opponent can't point to that and call it a lack of leadership.
however it can't be said that israel was unprovoked, leading up to the
January offense, israel lead international journalist on a tour of all
the rockets that have been launched in to their lands, and saying,
repeatedly, if this is not stopped, we will launch a major offensive.
Yeah i agree that the not all Palestinian are extremists, of course
not, but only a handful of extremists with rocket launchers are needed
for the Israelis to feel threatened, and even less for the political
party to feel that their image is threatened.
more interestingly, US just had it's own completely unprovoked war. US
under Clinton, put in major efforts in the peace process, some experts
say that they were really really close. then bush steps in, and fucks
it all up, by attack iraq for no reason. Now the US has no credibility
left in the peace process. and no new leader in the peace process has
stepped up.
and this has not taken in to account the antisemitism in Muslim
extremist, nor the fundamental jews within israel who believe that
they are entitled to Gaza (some believe more) because it was promised
by god. although these are the few on both sides, they sure make
themselves heard.
kyle, i am not saying your stance is wrong, i am just saying it's a
shit load more complicated, and i would caution against taking a
stand. i don't dare to pick a side.
conflict in the world, but i really don't think it's fair to pick a
side. there is a lot of racial hate, religious conflict, and both
internal and international politics at play.
for example, this "war" (not much of a war, more of a beating) in
January is clearly in preparation for the election in Israel. The
leadership needs to show that it can handle security issues so the
opponent can't point to that and call it a lack of leadership.
however it can't be said that israel was unprovoked, leading up to the
January offense, israel lead international journalist on a tour of all
the rockets that have been launched in to their lands, and saying,
repeatedly, if this is not stopped, we will launch a major offensive.
Yeah i agree that the not all Palestinian are extremists, of course
not, but only a handful of extremists with rocket launchers are needed
for the Israelis to feel threatened, and even less for the political
party to feel that their image is threatened.
more interestingly, US just had it's own completely unprovoked war. US
under Clinton, put in major efforts in the peace process, some experts
say that they were really really close. then bush steps in, and fucks
it all up, by attack iraq for no reason. Now the US has no credibility
left in the peace process. and no new leader in the peace process has
stepped up.
and this has not taken in to account the antisemitism in Muslim
extremist, nor the fundamental jews within israel who believe that
they are entitled to Gaza (some believe more) because it was promised
by god. although these are the few on both sides, they sure make
themselves heard.
kyle, i am not saying your stance is wrong, i am just saying it's a
shit load more complicated, and i would caution against taking a
stand. i don't dare to pick a side.
Kyle
Apr 1, 2009, 11:53:03 AM4/1/09
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I agree it is much more complicated than either of us have said. You
need to write a whole series of books to explain it all.
I agree it is hard to pick a side, but the one thing I think is shitty
is that the Palestinians had their land TAKEN from them. yeungx
you live in Canada, right. Imagine if the US came to your government
and said, "We are taking over your entire country. Either move out or
stay, but you are now under our rule (We hate Canadians by the way).
And if you want to stay, you can only live in Toronto or Vancouver.
Everywhere else is now the United States. Canada will no longer be
recognized as a country. The only way to get fuel or food is through
us. If we don't like something you do, we will starve you, blow up
buildings, and attack you in general. Have a nice day" If that
happened, wouldn't you be pissed off? I would. Would I suicide bomb
people or start assassinating leaders, probably not. But I would
definitely be pissed at that country. Now just replace Canada with
Palestine and America with Israel.
Also, in the January war, 1400 Palestinians died, while 13 Israelis
died. Could the violence be anymore disproportionate?
Check this out from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7926413.stm
It basically says that Israeli troops destroyed thousands of houses,
mosques, and schools for no reason at all. An Israeli watch group said
this could be considered a "war crime".
I think both sides do a lot of stuff wrong, but I don't see why the
Israelis just can't give the Palestinains a little more land. Isn't
worth a little land to have peace?
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need to write a whole series of books to explain it all.
I agree it is hard to pick a side, but the one thing I think is shitty
is that the Palestinians had their land TAKEN from them. yeungx
you live in Canada, right. Imagine if the US came to your government
and said, "We are taking over your entire country. Either move out or
stay, but you are now under our rule (We hate Canadians by the way).
And if you want to stay, you can only live in Toronto or Vancouver.
Everywhere else is now the United States. Canada will no longer be
recognized as a country. The only way to get fuel or food is through
us. If we don't like something you do, we will starve you, blow up
buildings, and attack you in general. Have a nice day" If that
happened, wouldn't you be pissed off? I would. Would I suicide bomb
people or start assassinating leaders, probably not. But I would
definitely be pissed at that country. Now just replace Canada with
Palestine and America with Israel.
Also, in the January war, 1400 Palestinians died, while 13 Israelis
died. Could the violence be anymore disproportionate?
Check this out from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7926413.stm
It basically says that Israeli troops destroyed thousands of houses,
mosques, and schools for no reason at all. An Israeli watch group said
this could be considered a "war crime".
I think both sides do a lot of stuff wrong, but I don't see why the
Israelis just can't give the Palestinains a little more land. Isn't
worth a little land to have peace?
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Simmons
Apr 1, 2009, 9:03:30 AM4/1/09
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I have also wondered about the fighting involved with these two
countries, I am ignorant to the specifics but why can't each stay in
their own borders and respect the other country? I thought Israel was
put on the map after WW2 in a response to the horrible mass murder of
Jewish people, the 'World' leaders or leading countries 'gave' them
their own country. Probably a stupid question but-- Why can't they
just get along and stay in their own borders??!!
countries, I am ignorant to the specifics but why can't each stay in
their own borders and respect the other country? I thought Israel was
put on the map after WW2 in a response to the horrible mass murder of
Jewish people, the 'World' leaders or leading countries 'gave' them
their own country. Probably a stupid question but-- Why can't they
just get along and stay in their own borders??!!
Kyle
Apr 1, 2009, 6:53:27 PM4/1/09
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Because the land that Israel was created from was the country of
Palestine. I.E. the Israelis took over their country.That's like your
neighbor country taking over half your country and telling you to like
it or leave it. It was divided up, then about 20 years later Syria,
Eygpt, and someone else (I'm not a history major) atacked Israel, and
the Israelis defeated them in a week, and the Israelis kept a lot of
the land they captured. They gave SOME back, but not all.
Go here for a quick history lesson on Israel and Palestine:
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
The guy who made this page is not the most, um, academic and even
handed person ever, but the facts and maps are right, and the page
gives most the history in a small amount of text. So check it out.
WE NEED A DOCUMENTARY ON THIS SCOTT!
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Palestine. I.E. the Israelis took over their country.That's like your
neighbor country taking over half your country and telling you to like
it or leave it. It was divided up, then about 20 years later Syria,
Eygpt, and someone else (I'm not a history major) atacked Israel, and
the Israelis defeated them in a week, and the Israelis kept a lot of
the land they captured. They gave SOME back, but not all.
Go here for a quick history lesson on Israel and Palestine:
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
The guy who made this page is not the most, um, academic and even
handed person ever, but the facts and maps are right, and the page
gives most the history in a small amount of text. So check it out.
WE NEED A DOCUMENTARY ON THIS SCOTT!
yeungx
Apr 5, 2009, 7:08:24 PM4/5/09
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You are missing point here.
I understand the history of this conflict, what you fail to see the
current political reality. You have to admit that there is a faction
within the Palestinian people that wants the total destruction of
Israel. While i understand that is not the position of all people in
Palestine, not even a majority, just a small minority. but none the
less these are the people that are launching rockets in to Israel.
(you have to admit that this is true).
In response to this, the Israeli people, demand from their government,
to protect them. this quickly becomes a election issue. (notice how
this most recent conflict, happened right before the election.) In
order not to lose the election, the only thing the government can do
is an armed attack on the Gaza. (if you think there is another way,
feel free to tell me).
I am simply suggesting that the political reality of this is very
complex, and this is not one of those things where you can take sides.
there is nothing really wrong with your arguments, and i am just
trying to balance them.
I understand the history of this conflict, what you fail to see the
current political reality. You have to admit that there is a faction
within the Palestinian people that wants the total destruction of
Israel. While i understand that is not the position of all people in
Palestine, not even a majority, just a small minority. but none the
less these are the people that are launching rockets in to Israel.
(you have to admit that this is true).
In response to this, the Israeli people, demand from their government,
to protect them. this quickly becomes a election issue. (notice how
this most recent conflict, happened right before the election.) In
order not to lose the election, the only thing the government can do
is an armed attack on the Gaza. (if you think there is another way,
feel free to tell me).
I am simply suggesting that the political reality of this is very
complex, and this is not one of those things where you can take sides.
there is nothing really wrong with your arguments, and i am just
trying to balance them.
Kyle
Apr 10, 2009, 9:28:38 PM4/10/09
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Excellent documentary on Palestine Scott. Thank you.
Simmons
Apr 13, 2009, 10:36:01 PM4/13/09
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Watching one right now called, 'The Making of a Martyr' description
is the consequences of child suicide bombers in the Israeli-
Palestinian conflict. They have these kids brain washed, and it seems
their parents promote it. Pretty gross situation. It seems the more I
learn about the situation, I become more frustrated and aggravated at
the human race and this world. There must be an easier and peaceful
way to deal with this situation, but of course this is not the case
and there are 'ways' that are drilled into generations heads, even if
the problem was to be resolved, (and that, I don't even know why the
hell they just can't get along) why the hell can't people just leave
the Jews alone for cryin out loud, my god, but like I said, I'm
speaking out of ignorance and getting more angry as this doc
continues.
is the consequences of child suicide bombers in the Israeli-
Palestinian conflict. They have these kids brain washed, and it seems
their parents promote it. Pretty gross situation. It seems the more I
learn about the situation, I become more frustrated and aggravated at
the human race and this world. There must be an easier and peaceful
way to deal with this situation, but of course this is not the case
and there are 'ways' that are drilled into generations heads, even if
the problem was to be resolved, (and that, I don't even know why the
hell they just can't get along) why the hell can't people just leave
the Jews alone for cryin out loud, my god, but like I said, I'm
speaking out of ignorance and getting more angry as this doc
continues.
yeungx
Apr 29, 2009, 3:50:20 PM4/29/09
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If watching these docs don't convince you that ALL 3 major monotheist
religion are at the root of evil and conflict in the world, then i
don't know what will. Watching the Palestine doc reminded me a lot of
watching the Pianist. Which is really really really ironic. Especially
the part on check point. if you watch both, it's impossible to miss
parallel. I believe because of religion, we lose our ability to see
other people as fellow human beings. We lose empathy. This abuses well
not end until we limit religion to the spiritual realm, and out of the
political realm.
religion are at the root of evil and conflict in the world, then i
don't know what will. Watching the Palestine doc reminded me a lot of
watching the Pianist. Which is really really really ironic. Especially
the part on check point. if you watch both, it's impossible to miss
parallel. I believe because of religion, we lose our ability to see
other people as fellow human beings. We lose empathy. This abuses well
not end until we limit religion to the spiritual realm, and out of the
political realm.
Simmons
May 17, 2009, 9:57:15 AM5/17/09
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Thx for all the good docs lately Scott. Cherl was asking about more
docs on pot, the Union was amazing. I saw a doc called Peyolt to LSD -
A Pschedelic Odyssey on Veoh (I have it saved as a fav,my account) it
goes into the origin, the men/women who discovered different drugs in
their natural state in the rain forest. Its possibly a drug
documentary with a timeline and history prior to the Union. Don't get
me wrong, I loved the Union and appreciate you posting it, thx again.
I understand Cheryl is asking for weed docs, but the Psychedelic
Odyssey is a great doc for the origin of all 'street' drugs, and more.
It even changed my view on LSD, not that I would do it again,lol.
I've been considering donating a small amount, 5, 10 dollars, but the
only thing is I don't have paypal or visa and don't care to. It might
be a hasle for a couple of dollars, depending on the postage, would
you take a money order through snail mail, obviously I'd need your
mailing address and not sure if you're cool with that. Not that I'm
crazy or whatever, but I'm sure people have their own reasons they
don't give their address out. Take it easy, thx again for all the
quality docs. Your student,
Sean Simmons.
docs on pot, the Union was amazing. I saw a doc called Peyolt to LSD -
A Pschedelic Odyssey on Veoh (I have it saved as a fav,my account) it
goes into the origin, the men/women who discovered different drugs in
their natural state in the rain forest. Its possibly a drug
documentary with a timeline and history prior to the Union. Don't get
me wrong, I loved the Union and appreciate you posting it, thx again.
I understand Cheryl is asking for weed docs, but the Psychedelic
Odyssey is a great doc for the origin of all 'street' drugs, and more.
It even changed my view on LSD, not that I would do it again,lol.
I've been considering donating a small amount, 5, 10 dollars, but the
only thing is I don't have paypal or visa and don't care to. It might
be a hasle for a couple of dollars, depending on the postage, would
you take a money order through snail mail, obviously I'd need your
mailing address and not sure if you're cool with that. Not that I'm
crazy or whatever, but I'm sure people have their own reasons they
don't give their address out. Take it easy, thx again for all the
quality docs. Your student,
Sean Simmons.
OD4U - Webmaster
May 20, 2009, 5:47:01 PM5/20/09
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Thanks for the kudos Sean! I posted LSD to Peyote in Dec '08. The
Google search this site field is not working properly, hence you wont
find LSD to Peyote even if you typed say peyote.
As for the donation you speak of, I totally understand you not wanting
to get PayPal if you generally have no need for it. To be honest, I do
not get much in the way of donations (probably $100USD P/A) and this
site subsists more on revenue from the Google Ads you see on the site.
An easier way to support your favorite documentary site is to just
click on the ads occassionally.
Scott - Webmaster
OD4U
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Google search this site field is not working properly, hence you wont
find LSD to Peyote even if you typed say peyote.
As for the donation you speak of, I totally understand you not wanting
to get PayPal if you generally have no need for it. To be honest, I do
not get much in the way of donations (probably $100USD P/A) and this
site subsists more on revenue from the Google Ads you see on the site.
An easier way to support your favorite documentary site is to just
click on the ads occassionally.
Scott - Webmaster
OD4U
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yeungx
Jun 12, 2009, 2:44:19 PM6/12/09
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Hey there is a really cool Documentary call Ways of Seeing by John
Berger
it would be cool if you can upload it.
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Berger
it would be cool if you can upload it.
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