Re: discursive off topic aria only Sadun should read

[Andy Maniotis]

Dear Clark,



However, knowing some of these characters for some time, I see things
slightly differently.

You see, Anthony, our rhinoman, is frustrated.

He is frustrated because he sees a chink in our armour against the Pharmasluts.

He thinks that the Duesbergian Paradigm is weak and injurious,
especially in a judicial context, as recent discussions about Parenzee
unfolded as they did, especially if there is a conflicting scientific
message presented.

He is an admitted Perth groupie, which is OK. So am I. As a matter of
fact, I have been a co-author with Perth, and also I have "shepherded"
their letters to journals suuch as "The American Journal of Pathology.
But also, I am a dissident groupie who appreciates what Anthony has
accomplished with his books and his rhino-like behavior in S.A., and I
enormously appreciate Duesberg's deep sense of humanism and
brilliance. I just love to talk to Eleni on the phone!

The real tragedy is, is that the entire argument is moot and boring.

If you can hang in for a moment I'll tell you why.

You see, as I have most articulately written lately in these blogs,
all viruses came from black people, especially "HIV:" from close
associations with monkeys (first with Gallo's HTLV-1 as proven by
artwork evidence he presented from the 16th Century-hey
Janine----maybe we should submit this evidence to science about the
monkeys and blacks Gallo saw on those artworks when he visited Japan
and figured out that HTLV-1 came from viruses spread to monkeys to
blacks on slave-ships, and not because folks were living 175 miles
from Nagasaki) and you know what I'm talking about. But all viruses
did come from black people: Polio was a disease of the poor burroughs
in N.Y.C. which is why there were laws made to have the uptown folks
keep their windows closed during the summer so that mosquitoes in the
summer could be kept out and polio wouldn't spread from "them darkies
and immigrants," to the whites, even though the poor had vanishingly
lower rates of paralysis than the vanishingly low rates among the
suburban whites; West Nile came from a black (African) woman living in
the Eugandan West Nile valley in 1938 before electron microscopes were
invented who had a cold but got over it. Hepatits B came from a Black
Australian Aboriginal gentlemen with short fingers, according to
Baruck Blumberg, whose blood he had obtained and put in his freezer
but who wasn't a hepatitis B afficted or hepatocellular carcinoma
victim and, as a caring doctor (Blumberg) is responsible for the
hepatitis B vaccine and t's 1:70 male child autism rate after the
1990's vaccine crusades to protect all of us from them gays, drug
addicts, and whores from spreading it to our 1 hour old children when
they might have sex or shoot drugs with them (or shave) in the junior
high school locker rooms during gymj as the PHS reasoning goes; then
there was pellegra of those poor sharcroppers of the south, who were
cured of their malnutrition, alcoholism, and other types of dementia
eventually with mega doses of vitiman B; and then there was Marburg
virus, which comes from "those regions of the world in the Congo,
where new life forms are breeding constantly to strike the native
African down in his tracks as he hunts lion, and wildabeast," and
many others.

I don't need to tell you what the rate of "HIV" infection is among
those savage black people living in D.C. (not the Obamas) and in
N.Y.C. And if you believe the latest paper in Nature Medicine, why,
just the other day, there is a new virus aquired from some black woman
who slept with a gorilla near Cameroon that is destined to become the
new pandemic "HIV" strain:

ONE WOMAN IN CAMAROON CATCHES “HIV” FROM A GORILLA AND LIKE
THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN, IT MUTATES IMMEDIATELY TO FORM A NEW,
RAPIDLY GROWING, PROBABLY WIDESPRED, DEADLY PANDEMIC AIDS VIRUS.

New HIV strain discovered in woman from Cameroon
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/brand/SIG=br2v03/*http://www.ap.org>
Randolph Schmidt Ap Science Writer

A new strain of the virus that causes AIDS has been discovered in a
[black] woman from the African nation of Cameroon.

It differs from the three known strains of human immunodeficiency
virus and appears to be closely related to a form of simian virus
recently discovered in wild gorillas, researchers report in Monday's
edition of the journal Nature Medicine.

The finding "highlights the continuing need to watch closely for the
emergence for new HIV variants, said the researchers, led by
Jean-Christophe Plantier of the University of Rouen, France.

The three previously known HIV strains are related to the simian virus
that occurs in chimpanzees.

The most likely explanation for the new find is gorilla-to-human
transmission, Plantier's team said. But they added they cannot rule
out the possibility that the new strain started in chimpanzees and
moved into gorillas and then humans, or moved directly from
chimpanzees to both gorillas and humans.

The 62-year-old patient tested positive for HIV in 2004, shortly after
moving to Paris from Cameroon, according to the researchers.

She had lived near Yaounde, the capital of Cameroon, but said she had
no contact with apes or bush meat, a name often given to meat from
wild animals in tropical countries.

The woman currently shows no signs of AIDS and remains untreated,
though she still carries the virus, the researchers said.

How widespread this strain is remains to be determined.

Researchers said it could be circulating unnoticed in Cameroon or elsewhere.

The virus' rapid replication indicates that it is adapted to human
cells, the researchers reported.

Their research was supported by the French Health Watch Institute, the
French National Agency for Research on AIDS and Viral Hepatitis and
Rouen University Hospital.




But all of this is off topic. Back to Brink and Knoll and Campbell and Liam.

You see, Peter isn't wrong at all. It is a matter of time
displacement. He says "HIV" is a passenger virus that gets into the
genome and is there.

Perth says there ain't no evidence for an exogenous virus.

Both are correct!

If indeed "HIV" is a retroid that causes people like someone I am
helping currently to test positive yet not be ill for 16 years in the
absence of HAART or AZT: it could be that the docs really do read
"HIV" when they put her on atripila for seven months beginning in 1999
and her "VIRAL LOAD" was reduced from 900,000 to something like 20,000
and her T-cell climbed from 200 to 700 during those 7 months, yet her
neurological symptoms got worse till she ended up in a hospice and
declared mentally incompetent earlier last year. She stopped the
atripila and bactrim 8-10 days ago. Of course her AIDS doc says that
"the brain is the last to see the benefits of atripila and bactrim, so
it is such a shame she decided to stop both drugs 8 months after
taking them and her neurological condition worsening."

We all know when drugs fail it is the patient's fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But last night, I promised to sneak into her room and get her drunk
and smoke some pot with her. She started laughing uncontrollably,
whereas before she couldn't even utter a sentence so that you could
understand it.

Then I asked her the question, "You know that Micheal Ellner guy, and
that Micheal Geiger guy and about bone pointing and how stress
contributes to immune system health?" She said: "GYAAAYAAA"
(affirmative). Then I said, "Hey Sweetie, when was the last time you
got drunk?" She said "IY CAAAAAANTTTTTTTTT remmmmmmemmber?" "When was
the last time you got stoned?" I replied.

Then I told her that was her problem: and that the thing to do is that
both she and I needed to drink wine and smoke pot sometime soon and
get rip-roaringly fucked up.

And then she started laughing.......and speaking with much more clarity.

They moved her today nearby the parents.

"HIV" is a passenger virus if at any time during non-human and human
primate phylogeny it's so-called genomic sequences have been found in
man, monkey, gorilla, or even "black folk," as even they are partially
"human." It is a passenger sequence in our genome. Fuck! DAIDS
declares that if you have more than 30pg/ml p24 protein ("HIV's"
capsid protein) then you can be criminalized for "HIV" transmission
like Line is currently, but if you have 29 units, you can party,
drink, smoke pot, fuck anyone you want, without going to prison. Can
you beat that! It is a retroid sequence.

And it is still true that nobody, as Perth says, has shown an
exogenous retrovirus or viral entity of anykind. Because this part of
biological reductionism doesn't work.

What does that mean?

It means that biologists often study their high tech instruments
rather than Nature, and it is a pity, a shame, a waste, and as my
former mentor Richard Strohman once said, and who died a few months
ago (pay attention to the end, Duesberg is in the movie too playing
soccer with Strohman and with what appears to be a paper beer
glass)...there is much more to life than genes and
retroviruses....much much more than aneuploidy too I might add,
although it too is a part of the story.

'https://rcpt.yousendit.com/783573566/41459c93f47e8d94c246fc3dda1f32df'>strohman.mov</a>
jenn...@earthlink.net

Which is why scientists like me are effete, powerless, and living
outside the warm glow of pharmaslutism. Why, it even takes us 20
years to put Stohman's foresight regarding epigenetics onto the covers
of mainstream journals such as AJP.

http://ajp.amjpathol.org/content/vol170/issue5/

The problem is much bigger than we think.

Back to making immune systems after lethal irradiation. I do have a
job you know.

Cheers,

andy





On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Clark Baker <cl...@cwbpi.com> wrote:
> Popovic is still employed by Gallo – without Gallo, Popovic doesn’t have an
> income.  Approaching Popovic will require a remarkable level of diplomacy –
> and alcohol.
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> Subject: Re: discursive off topic aria only Sadun should read
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> Janine saw fingerprints, shady events and documents; What I asked her to do,
> she dismissed, explaining it was not her role. I asked her to track
> down Popovic and actually speak to him. Or else document his refusal to
> speak. Without coming face to face with the suspect, watching his body
> language, taking a wide circumference measure of everything he says NOW or
> refuses to say, you have not caught the butterfly.
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> Celia,
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> Mentally I lay my arm around you. Its touch is surely chill. And in a
> fifth-act voice, sotto voce or any other theatrical whisper, I confide: you
> and I have something in common.
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>
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> But the Suspect was Gallo, Popovic was the Witness and Roberts the Judge.
> Only the Investigator was missing in this drama.
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> You know the role and the rigour of the Investigator even as you condemn it.
> Crushing.
>
>



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Andrew Maniotis, Ph.D.
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