CD4/CD8 and Viral Load Markers

[Tamika]

ok you guys I have another question... with the cd4 and cd8...is this the dermining factor as a measurement for the hiv virus supposed progression? if so, then how is it that (am i am using my own numbers here) how is it that the cd4 can be very "low" like 483 and then repair itself rising back to over 900 copies in a matter of a few months all without using hiv medications? I am not understanding the cd4 cd8 and its purpose if the numbers can fluctuate so drastically...

 

Also, I was told by the clinic (that shredded my indeterminate western blot) that i should not keep doing my research and that i should give myself a "cutting off point" where i will accept my diagnosis....i imformed the nurse that there was no way i was just going to "cut off' my research because I saw the western blot test result with my own eyes...so if it is missing that doesnt matter because i saw it...so that conversation lead the nurse to tell me that they were doing away with the westernblot test completely because they have decided to just use viral load as the confirmation for HIV infection....so i asked her how can they use viral load as confirmation if there are people who have a viral load that is not hiv positive....at that point she rushed me out of her office...lol so my question to you guys is have you heard of them doing away with the western blot test and going to viral loads as measured confirmation?

 

[Andy Maniotis]

Dear Tamika,

Yes. The "doing away with the gold standard WESTERN BLOT has been in the works for a couple of years....I am familiar with the California-initiated documents that suggested this issue, that only viral load will be "trusted" now to "diagnose" persons with so-called "HIV."

No problem for us since we will use your viral load (VL) only as a reference standard for your EM survey to look for actual viral particles (which won't be in your blood sample).

Keep asking them questions, of the kind I'll email you later to present to them and then they will "hide" from troubling you any more regarding your so-called "status." CD4 and CD8 are completely meaningless....markers, and later I'll explain why.

Don't let them buffalo you....this is their common practice to get you to behave and take their toxic medications.

Will call later...I've just been real busy...

Cheers,
Andy

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Tamika <tplum...@gmail.com> wrote:

ok you guys I have another question... with the cd4 and cd8...is this the dermining factor as a measurement for the hiv virus supposed progression? if so, then how is it that (am i am using my own numbers here) how is it that the cd4 can be very "low" like 483 and then repair itself rising back to over 900 copies in a matter of a few months all without using hiv medications? I am not understanding the cd4 cd8 and its purpose if the numbers can fluctuate so drastically...

 

Also, I was told by the clinic (that shredded my indeterminate western blot) that i should not keep doing my research and that i should give myself a "cutting off point" where i will accept my diagnosis....i imformed the nurse that there was no way i was just going to "cut off' my research because I saw the western blot test result with my own eyes...so if it is missing that doesnt matter because i saw it...so that conversation lead the nurse to tell me that they were doing away with the westernblot test completely because they have decided to just use viral load as the confirmation for HIV infection....so i asked her how can they use viral load as confirmation if there are people who have a viral load that is not hiv positive....at that point she rushed me out of her office...lol so my question to you guys is have you heard of them doing away with the western blot test and going to viral loads as measured confirmation?

 

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[Clark Baker]

You might also examine our report on flow cytometry to see how meaningless the CD counts really are.

[Tamika]

Thank you so much Clark...I will definitely look at that chart!

[Tamika]

Thank you Andy for that information. It gets so confusing and I feel so much pressure trying to fight them off, especially after i saw my indeterminate. I am looking forward to doing the EM re-test and will be patiently awaiting your call and email. Thanks again!!