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dasoham

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May 29, 2010, 10:28:10 AM5/29/10
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Jai Guru to all brothers , sisters & pranam to elders .

Almost all of us who have been taken into refuge by Shri Shri Thakur
Sitaramdas Omkarnathdev know that we belong to the Ramanuji -
Ramanandi lineage . Now for all those who are new to our sampradaya ,
this is a small effort to make them aware about our Guruparampara . In
the Shastras , it has been said that if one takes mantra from anyone
without knowing that the person giving the mantra belongs to a
parampara or not , then the mantra never gives the desired result that
is the person never reaches the Lord .
In our Sanatan Dharma , it is said that there are 33 crore deities .
However amongst them , 5 are regarded as principal deities . They are
Ganesh , Suryanarayan , Vishnu , Shiva & Shakti . & all the 5 of them
have their Guruparamparas starting from them only . However at present
the first two sects that is of Ganesh & Surya hardly exist . But the
other 3 exists till today namely Shaiva , Shakta & Vaishnav of Shiva ,
Shakti & Vishnu respectively . Also there are many Guruparamparas in
each cult .
Amongst the Vaishnavas , 4 paramparas are regarded bonafide . They are
Shri , Brahma , Rudra & Kumar Sampradayas all starting from Narayan or
His different forms like Krishna or Ram & then coming down through
Shridevi (ie Lakshmidevi or Sitadevi ) , Brahmaji , Lord Shiva & 4
Sanat Kumaras . Ramanuj Sampradaya as well as its largest tributary
Ramanandi Sampradaya belongs to Shri Sampradaya . So we can say
amongst the 4 Vaishnava Sampradayas , we belong to the Shri
Sampradaya . That is well executed in the Tilak symbol of our
Sampradaya .
Now question arises that in the Ramanuj Sampradaya only the 8
syllabled Narayan Mantra is given whereas only the 6 syllabled Ram
Mantra is given in the Ramanandi Sampradaya , but in our case we
recieve the mantra of our Ishtadevata irrespective of Shiv , Shakti ,
Vishnu or Ganesh .
In this matter if we read "Mannatha" by Thakur , there we will find
that ParaparGuru Damodardas Maharaj instructed Paramguru Dasharathi
dev to initiate as per scriptural injunctions & no compulsion of
following the rules of Ramanandi customs were imposed on him . So
Dasharathidev followed the scriptural injunction of giving mantra as
per one's sanskar & as per the principal element of the five elements
present in the disciple's body because in Mantra Samhita it has been
ordered that a person in whose body SKY element is more should recieve
Vishnu mantra , in the same way for FIRE element Shakti Mantra , for
EARTH element Shiva Mantra , for AIR element Surya mantra & for WATER
element Ganesh Mantra .
So the conclusion is that although we belong to the Shri Vaishnav
Sampradaya , there are worshippers of all the 5 principal deities in
our Sampradaya .



Amar Chatterjee (Corporate Trainer & Management Consultant)

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May 29, 2010, 11:42:22 AM5/29/10
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Jai Guru- this is one of the most illuminating postings so far- I feel so grateful to receive it.
More such postings will no doubt benefit hundreds among us. May I very humbly also suggest that such noble 'adhikari's start a 'one-on-one' doubt-clearing service for those interested to benefit from it by providing his/her/their contact email address(es) - such a benevolent gesture will also enable "pranipatena, pariprashnena" seva to Thakur in some manner. Since such Question/Answer may sometime need one-to-one private dialogue, hence this humble suggestion.
Q1/ Presently, I have a related query: How does an ordinary uninitiated Diksharthi figure out which of the five elements s/he is principally made up of? I am sure that an able SadGurudev can figure that out easily but how does or can a disciple-to-be figure that out before s/he comes in direct touch with his/her Guru?
 
Q2/ Another query: Does "ShreeVidya" (worshipping Shree Vidya Bala Tripura Sundari) belong to Vishnu parampara?
 
I will be grateful if the response is sent to me by email, though I do not mind if the response is also sent as a broadcast.
 
Jai Shri Ram! Jai Maa!!
 

 



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arka

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May 29, 2010, 1:20:56 PM5/29/10
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JAI GURU Amar kaku,
As far as ur 1st qs is concerned, I feel that it is not possible for
an ordinary body-conscious person to understand the components of his
body and mind[ which of the Panchabhut is better expressed,etc].what
we feel isnt always right.... for that, sadhana is needed.
any sudden feeling cant be compared to inner voice, as most of us are
not soul-conscious. we feel that 'i am body'... our sudden thoughts
are guided by our materialistic thoughts... we often do wrong things
and use this instinct as excuse...
a person who is atma-gyani... he knows 'i am SOUL' .. His thoughts are
pure and true.. his instincts comprise inner voice,,, having a Divine
force.

A sadguru identifies the elements and attributes of a disciple and
gives the mantra accordingly... by holding onto the mantra, spiritual
enigmas gradually unfold.
even blind guruvakti is good... a story-
a devotee named Birupaksa was given a wrong mantra by his guru. b was
guru bhakt, and continued his sadhana with that flawed mantra. DEVI
appeared in a distorted form and said- this is the correct mantra,
chant it .
b said- go away, who r u to correct my guru?
DEVI then instructed his guru to correct the mantra, so that She can
appear in the aspired form.

I am totally oblivious of textual details, so presently i have no
answer to your 2nd qs... other members may share their views.
lots of regards,
arka.

On May 29, 8:42 pm, "Amar Chatterjee (Corporate Trainer & Management
Consultant)" <anc....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jai Guru- this is one of the most illuminating postings so far- I feel so
> grateful to receive it.
> More such postings will no doubt benefit hundreds among us. May I very
> humbly also suggest that such noble 'adhikari's start a 'one-on-one'
> doubt-clearing service for those interested to benefit from it by providing
> his/her/their contact email address(es) - such a benevolent gesture will
> also enable "pranipatena, pariprashnena" seva to Thakur in some manner.
> Since such Question/Answer may sometime need one-to-one private dialogue,
> hence this humble suggestion.
> Q1/ Presently, I have a related query: How does an ordinary uninitiated
> Diksharthi figure out which of the five elements s/he is principally made up
> of? I am sure that an able SadGurudev can figure that out easily but how
> does or can a disciple-to-be figure that out before s/he comes in direct
> touch with his/her Guru?
>
> Q2/ Another query: Does "ShreeVidya" (worshipping Shree Vidya Bala Tripura
> Sundari) belong to Vishnu parampara?
>
> I will be grateful if the response is sent to me by email, though I do not
> mind if the response is also sent as a broadcast.
>
> Jai Shri Ram! Jai Maa!!
>
> amar_chatterj...@yahoo.com
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:58 PM, dasoham <mukherjeesu...@rediffmail.com>wrote:
>

dasoham

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May 29, 2010, 1:32:09 PM5/29/10
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ShriVidya is Shodoshi , the third mahavidya of the ten Mahavidyas , so
She is totally Shakta Tantric deity .

soumyabrata das

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May 31, 2010, 4:17:29 AM5/31/10
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jai guru,
               see the name of sri vekatesh's narayan's wife are sridebi and vudevebi.in this context we can say that sri is vaishnavi devi.as we come from this math,one of the four maths established by sankaracharya.we can say we are vaisnav.at the same time we find that the propounder of this sampradaya were all avatars of vishnu or his ornaments or his sri angas,(as we can find in the guru gita published by our math),we can rightly say we are vaisnav.moreover if we look at the sri bigraha of lord venkatesh we find devi sri embedded in his bossom,what more can we say about the origin of sri sampraday.another fact is that gurdev said that sri is astadasvuja ma mahalakhmi,the consort of adi purush narayana.another thing is that we find in sri sri chandi that devi was the creator of the whole universe.as she is the creator of the whole universe.
again,we find sitaram baba giving tatric mantras to the sishyas and not vaidic mantras,so we can say sri sampraday as even the encoperator of trantic vidya too.
                          jai guru

dasoham

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May 31, 2010, 12:35:45 PM5/31/10
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Jai Guru ,
Bhai Soumyo , don't mind , some infos are in your post made me
differ . Pls don't get hurt .
Shri Sampradaya is one of the four Vaishnava Sampradayas mentioned in
the Padma Puran . It has no connection with Bhagavadpad
Shankaracharya .Yeah I agree that we are Vaishnavas from the point of
our Parampara .But the mul Shri Smpradaya of south never gives tantric
mantra & all rather they are quite sectarian . Even our Sanyas Guru
Tridandi Swami Lakshman Ramanuj Jeeyar refused to take prasad of
Bhuvneshwar mahadev.They even don't look at us as pure Vaishnavas , so
I think all this should be taken in account . We do belong to Shri
Ramanujas parampara yet we are different in many aspects .

On May 31, 1:17 pm, soumyabrata das

Amar Chatterjee (Corporate Trainer & Management Consultant)

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May 31, 2010, 3:36:46 PM5/31/10
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Jai Guru! most beloved Dadara!
 
 Special thanks to Suman Dada for his last bit of enlightenment - these inputs are very interesting and fascinating, very useful too - yet, while these very valuable inputs are pouring in by Baba's grace, let me pause a while and take 'Sri' in SriVidya as an adjective and move on by interpreting that SriVidya is that Vidya which is the highest of all Vidyas- perhaps like She is described in Lalita Sahasranama literature.
 
Anyway, we have our very own super ocean called "Sitaram Maha Maho Sagar" where all rivers of all sects and paths, and all yantra-mantra-tantra can afford to converge and merge and lose their individual identities in the overwhelming Tsunami of Hare Krishna Mahamntra. Let me not resist my temptation to attach a 9/11 audio recording from USA where the same convergence was so forcefully asserted more than a century ago. It's from the original recording. How about Baba's short recordings also as attachments to postings that will inspire us all beyond all proportions.
 
Premer bonya boichhe aabaar
(Ei) shukno dharar 'pare.
 
Baba'r gaane, Baba'r kathay,
Baba'r lekhay, Baba'r bhasay,
(Mora) Baba'r sure uthchhi neche,
Torite paropaare,
Ogo, torite paropaare.
 
Eso, bhasiye bhela, paal tule deei
Sitaram Saagare,
Ogo, Sitaram Saagarey!
 
Jai Shri Ram!! Jai Maa!!!
anc
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911 of convergence.mp3

jai guru

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Jun 1, 2010, 1:29:15 PM6/1/10
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Jai Guru!
Kindly find herewith original recordings of our Gurudev.
Hemant Hans
Jai Guru Team
gopi chitchore.mp3
HARE KRISHNA.mp3

Amar Chatterjee (Corporate Trainer & Management Consultant)

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Jun 1, 2010, 1:59:38 PM6/1/10
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Jai Guru- Thank you so much Hans dada for your immediate action:)

Jai Shri Ram!! Jai Maa!!!

soumyabrata das

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Jun 2, 2010, 3:48:24 AM6/2/10
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jai guru,
           sumon bhai ,why are you talking about getting hurt,we are
all brothers,its our duty to correct ourselves.see if you read my post
carefully you will find that i have said that

"we find sitaram baba giving tatric mantras to the sishyas and not
vaidic mantras,so we can say sri sampraday as even the encoperator of
trantic vidya too"
i dont think sumon that sri sampraday is one of the main sampradayas
of sanyas mentioned by acharya shankaracharya.another part is that you
wouldn't disagree that our baba waws a naamavatar and when he (the
last ,till now,of all the great preachers belonging to sri sampradaya)
gave tantric mantra,so ultimately sri sampraday is giving the tantric
mantra(i am not talking about the south or north issue).
another point is the mantras.see as per my very little study( i will
like a caliliber such as hemant hansji or someone like him to correct
my views) they can be vaidik,pouranik or tantrik.most of the tantric
mantras are nothing but adaptation of vaidik and pouranik mantras but
the thing is that as it repeated by tantra it can be used by all
varnas.see,mahalaksmi is the adhisthatri devi of sri sampraday at the
same time she is tantric devi.can you say that the  sri vaisnav will
neglect her.all the mantras in the sri sampraday is believed to have
been originated from her.so can it be said sitaram baba being liberal
in all his gestures but at the same time strict to shastras knew
better than us that mantras are above the classification of
vaisnav,shakta,.....and so on and it was only possible because he was
naamavatar.see like name has no boundaries ,likewise sitaram had no
mean-minded boundaries of limiting shastras to
shakta,vaisnav,shaiva.....etc.he was for all and did what was best for
the masses.see you can say sitaram was a kind of revolutionary who
,keeping himself in the bopundary of orthodox dharma,revolutionised it
,specially sri sampraday.why do we talk about sri sampraday of the
south as the copyright,neglecting the viewpoint of sitaram?is it
right.then can we say that the puri sampraday in ramakrishna mission
in its complete revised form is not puri sampraday,can we decline the
lineage.it was also revamped in accordance to the need of the hour by
vivekananda and others keeping thakur as the pivot.so while talking
about the origin of our sampraday we must always keep in point that
under no condition we have the right to disaprove sitaram's take on
the sampraday and his philosophy.we are here to sing his glory and
deglorify him by saying that what he did was wrong or he didnt
correctly reprsent the sampradaya he represented,directly or
indirectly.
a humble request,no one should go above tjhakur's philosophy in this
community and correct others whenever nessecary and not argue.
bhai sumon our sri sampraday is not different from the original but a
revolutionised one which caters to the need of this day as oue mentor
sitaram thougt to be suitable for us because it has come from the same
tree.it has no our's and their's,it is just sri sampraday.
jai guru.
jai guru.

dasoham

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Jun 2, 2010, 11:50:25 AM6/2/10
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Jai Guru ,
Bhai Soumyo , my post was no way meant to go against the philosophy of
my Master , rather I tried to show that my Master was over & above all
such sectarian rules . Do u know the Shri Vaishnavas till date don't
enter Shiva temples .I referred to South India as it is the birth
place of Shri Sampradaya . Do you know that many of them don't regard
even our Purvacharya Shri Ramanandacharya as a true Shri Vaishnav ???
Likewise a section of the Shri Ramanandi Sampradaya don't consider
Shri Ramanuja as Purvacharya , they show some other Guruparampara . So
there are much controversies regarding all these .
The Lord Sitaram Himself have given us our Guruparampara in Guru
Gita , so we believe that Shri Ramanujacharya & Shri Ramanandacharya
both as our Purvacharyas . Shri Sitaram told in His antya leela once
that He would reconstruct Shri Sampradaya . That is what we find in
our Sampradaya . Equal respect for all aspects of divinity is hardly
seen in any other sampradaya & more so in the Vaishnava Sampradayas
who even refuse to prostate before any other aspects of divinity
except their Ishta . Thakur on one hand fully encouraged Ishta
Nistha , on the other hand never allowed any sectarian view in Jai
Guru Sampradaya . That is the reason that we celebrate Durga Puja ,
Janmashtami & Shivratri with same festivity at Thakurji's Maths .

Do you even know Soumya bhai that the so called great Sanyas Guru once
refused to take the prasad of Lingaraj Mhadev while even after Sitaram
insisted on having it . What will you tell about this ????

And one more thing ,with due respect to all our purvacharyas , I
believe that to honour their sadhana their Ishta Himself incarnated in
our Sampradaya . So He is over & above everything , thats why He gave
us tantrik mantras as He knew that will be beneficial for us . So
although we should know our fountain head & Samparadaya but we should
always keep in mind Sitaram is our everything .


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Amar Chatterjee (Corporate Trainer & Management Consultant)

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Jai Guru, Jai Shiv, Jai Jai Shri Ram.
Jai Baba, Jai Tahkur, Jai Sitaram.
Jai Ishta, Jai Mantra, Jai Jap Dhyan,
Kasto Jaabe, Keshto Paabe, Balo Sitaram.
Sitaram! Sitaram!! Shudhu Sitaram!!!
Sitaram Japile, you can SIT in ARAM:)
 
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JAI GURU....
NICE AND KNOWLEDGABLE INPUTS ARE COMING FROM THIS FORUM...
THANKS TO ALL MEMBERS.
SPECIAL THANKS TO HANJI FOR SHARING THE VOICE AUDIO OF SRI THAKUR.

jai guru

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OUR PARAMPARA
 
RAMANANDIYA SRI VAISHNAVA

JAI GURU SAMPRADAYA PARAMPARA

 

Sri Kakustha Sriram Ji,

Sri Sita Ji,

Sri Vishvaksen Ji,

Sri Shathakop Swamiji,

Sri Nathmuni Ji,

Sri Pundarikshaaksha Muni Ji,

Sri Ram Mishra Ji,

Sri Yamunacharya Ji,

Sri Mahapoornacharya Ji,

Sri Ramanujacharya Ji,

Sri Kuresh Swami Ji,

Sri Madhavacharya Ji,

Sri Bopdev Ji,

Sri Devadhipaacharya Ji,

Sri Purushottamacharya Ji,

Sri Gangadharacharyaa Ji,

Sri Rameshwaracharya Ji

Sri Dwaranandacharya Ji,

Sri Devanandacharya Ji,

Sri Shriyanandacharya Ji,

Sri Haryanandacharya Ji,

Srimad Raghavanandacharya Ji,

Sri Jagatguru Bhaashyakaar 108 Sri Madramanandacharya Ji,

Sri Anantanand Ji,

Sri Ganesh Ji,

Sri Purnavairati Ji,

Sri Kaludas Ji,

Sri Gangadas Ji,

Sri Vishnudas Ji,

Sri Harbhanjandas Ji,

Sri Ghanshyamdas Ji,

Sri Prayagdas Ji,

Sri Lakshmandas Ji,

Sri Bhaktamali Ramdas Ji,

Sri Madhavdas Ji,

Shrimad Damodardas Ji,

108 Shrimad Dasharathidev Yogeshwar Ji,

108 Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath Ji.



soumyabrata das

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Jun 3, 2010, 11:50:59 PM6/3/10
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jai guru,
bhai sumon,when i said we should not go above thakur i
didnt mean you but the community.anyway the thing you said at last was
what i meant.lets talk about everything in context to sitaram.why show
the differences between sitaram and others because you see here all
are not aquainted with sitaram,rather some are new readers.so,all do
not understand the true meaning of this arguement or clash.sometimes
persons even draw a negative conclusion.so,it is better to talk about
the greatness in public and keep these topic for ourslves because you
see we understand it in a broader perspective.so,take no issues.jai
guru.and stick to your last words.
jai guru.
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